Mary Tyler Moore Show and Its Spin-Offs

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In lieu of a TV marathon, I acknowledged the anniversary by watching a few episodes this morning. My three all-time favorite sitcoms are I LOVE LUCY, THE DICK VAN DYKE SHOW, and MARY TYLER MOORE*, which I also think are the best sitcoms of their respective decades. I think LUCY is funnier than MARY -- MARY's humor is more relaxed and conversational -- but I think MARY has overall more consistent quality than LUCY. However, not quite as consistent as DVD, which might just have the most even quality of any sitcom I've watched.

Although MARY is a great show from beginning to end, I admit to strongly preferring the earlier seasons. Some of that is obvious; while the loss of Rhoda and Phyllis weren't catastrophic to the series, the show was better with them. Few pairs in TV history have better chemistry than Mary & Rhoda and neither Georgette nor Sue Ann -- both great characters -- could compensate.

I think, too, that Mary herself was simply funnier in the early seasons. Squint a bit, and early Mary Richards could be Laura Petrie, having dumped Rob and Ritchie back in New Rochelle, branching off on her own. (While DVD never focused on Laura quite as much as it should have, she was the funniest female sitcom character of the 60s; more Lucy Ricardo-esque than either of Lucy's own later characters. ) While Mary Richards grew and evolved -- a rarity for sitcom characters, even 50 years later -- she stopped being funny and became more of a reactor. That's not necessarily bad, as both Andy Griffith and Bob Newhart largely built their sitcoms around the tactic, but I find early Mary Richards fumbling insecurity to be so much funnier and more endearing than her later, stronger incarnation.

To the show's humor, I rarely find MARY to be laugh-out-loud funny; its humor is calm and cozy. I'll be in the extreme minority I suspect, but I don't like the Chuckles the Clown episode. The episode's attempt at wall-to-wall, riotous humor is so at odds with the rest of the series that I find it disruptive; I usually skip it.

Laura Petrie in the final season of DVD seems awfully like Mary Richards, frankly.

I like the Chuckles episode, but it was ruined in syndication with all the cuts throwing off the pacing.

Sometimes I wish Mary had done the Vitameatavegamin commercial. I can just see it.

*Is the show's official name MARY TYLER MOORE or THE MARY TYLER MOORE SHOW? It's often referred to as the later, but the show's opening credits use the former. I usually call it MARY TYLER MOORE, if for no other reason than being faster to type.
It's both, really. When it was on CBS, they'd often refer it without the "the" or the "show".i
 

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What SC said....

The real c-nt was Leachman. I would have knocked the SH-T out of her (I know she wasn’t in the movie, but if you read what SC says about her behavior in general, she’s NUTS).
 

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Is the show's official name MARY TYLER MOORE or THE MARY TYLER MOORE SHOW? It's often referred to as the later, but the show's opening credits use the former. I usually call it MARY TYLER MOORE, if for no other reason than being faster to type.
I've wondered that myself. I call it "The ... Show" because that's how it was always said but I've got to think that the proper title was what was on the screen.
 

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I've wondered that myself. I call it "The ... Show" because that's how it was always said

Conversationally the need for "THE ... SHOW" is understandable, if only to differentiate from the actress; in print, the use of italics/bold/capitalization should cover that. But, yes, I'm inclined to think what was on the show's title screen was its official name.
 

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I still liked “Phyllis.” The real-life deaths of Barbara Colby and Judith Lowry damaged it so bad, though. I would have written out Audrey and Jonathan, though, and has Phyllis live in their house alone.
 

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*Is the show's official name MARY TYLER MOORE or THE MARY TYLER MOORE SHOW? It's often referred to as the later, but the show's opening credits use the former. I usually call it MARY TYLER MOORE, if for no other reason than being faster to type.

I use the shortened Mary Tyler Moore name a lot, but even more have called it MTM (after her incredibly successful production label that made not just her self-named CBS comedy, but also such greats as The Bob Newhart Show, Hill Street Blues, St. Elsewhere, Remington Steele and others).
 

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I still liked “Phyllis.” The real-life deaths of Barbara Colby and Judith Lowry damaged it so bad, though. I would have written out Audrey and Jonathan, though, and has Phyllis live in their house alone.
I didn't mind the show but it's always a tough ask to base a show around the annoying or unlikable character without toning them down until they're not really the same character any more.
 

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I don't think I've ever seen PHYLLIS, other than maybe a few clips on Youtube. I loved the character on MARY, but I'm inclined to think she worked better in small doses; even on that show, I wouldn't have wanted to see her in every episode. It's hard for me to imagine a series built around her unless she was indeed toned down, which then takes away the very qualities that made her a great supporting character.

Which is kind of what happened to Rhoda. I think RHODA is a decent show if rather erratic, but the character lost something in translation. I recall a critic complaining that Rhoda went from that sarcastic Jewish girl to THAT GIRL; or, Rhoda became Mary while Brenda became the new Rhoda.
 

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I didn't mind the show but it's always a tough ask to base a show around the annoying or unlikable character without toning them down until they're not really the same character any more.
Had Barbara Colby not been murdered, she would have been the great fool for Phyllis. Lowry was a good foil until she died, too. Joni than and Audrey would have been dumped in a heartbeat, if I were I charge. Phyllis would have their house and you’d have seen how her life would unfold alone. Phyllis was toned down a bit, btw.

Not sure how the blackface thing would work today, though....

MTM was rare because it never jumped the shark and seamlessly incorporated new characters in replacing older ones.
 

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I must confess that I've always been slightly confused on whether the actual title of the show was The Mary Tyler Moore Show or simply Mary Tyler Moore. While I generally referred to it as the former, I've more recently shifted toward the latter.
 

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I must confess that I've always been slightly confused on whether the actual title of the show was The Mary Tyler Moore Show or simply Mary Tyler Moore. While I generally referred to it as the former, I've more recently shifted toward the latter.
You do know we've addressed that...?
 

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OT-- why did you change your username to "Caproni"?
It's something I've toyed with for quite sometime. I always liked the name, which as I'm sure you know, comes from a family on FALCON CREST. I found it unusual and quite honestly unique, and I finally decided to jump on the rebrand train.
 

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I always liked the name, which as I'm sure you know, comes from a family on FALCON CREST.

Actually, I did not know that-- I haven't been all that familiar w/that 1981-90 CBS serial.
 
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