Pam’s departure in 1987 had the 1985-86 season not been a dream?

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VP has stated numerous times that she told producers as far back as 1985 that she wouldn’t renew her contract in 1987, giving them two years notice.

As it played out they semi killed Pam off/made her disappear at the end of season 10 which was another nail in the coffin for the show.

But had season 10 not brought Bobby back and Pam still left in 1987 what would her departure from the show be?

I doubt they’d bbq her or put her in harms way as in this scenario Bobby was dead and they probably wouldn’t make Christopher an orphan, would they have ended the show in 1987 (1987 seems a natural end point for Dallas for me) or just wrote her out to Europe?
 

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VP may have told them that 1987 would be her final year, but she did renegotiate with them when the time came. She's since given interviews saying she couldn't be bought, but she apparently asked for salary parity with Duffy (which was more than they were offering her, which she says would have made her "the highest paid actress on television" --- so, more than Joan & Linda on DYNASTY). They also wanted her to sign for two more years, and she was only willing to sign for one, if anything.

After negotiations fell apart, CBS/Lorimar publicly said, "her terms were very high" (to return after 1987) and she professionally announced, "CBS and Lorimar have always been very generous with me." Allegedly, Larry brought a dinner offer to Victoria to return in 1988, Lorimar realizing the program was dropping and that they could suddenly afford to meet her financial demands. Principal declined, and you can't blame her.

Later, she admitted that she thought that "DALLAS' best days were behind it."

Now, to your plot points..... When Bobby told Pam the story, in 1981 in the living room at the bar, that Christopher's parents were from New Orleans and were killed in a car crash, that was metaphorically prognosticative (wrong terms, I'm sure) -- because DALLAS opened up in 1978 with Pam & Bobby fresh from their elopement in New Orleans; and when Bobby "died" he was run over by a car; and shortly after Bobby's quasi-death, Pam almost crashes her convertible into a road-grader.

So, one has to assume that whenever Victoria chose to exit the series, the car crash was planned -- more or less -- years in advance. Not the details, naturally, but the general automotive disaster scenario.

Had Bobby not been miraculously revived, one assumes Victoria would have been more likely to stay (can you imagine Pam in Bobby's role in Season 10, fighting alongside her nemesis, J.R., to save the family and Ewing Oil from the feds and intel terrorists? But Katzman would never have permitted it) with Lorimar/CBS more likely to capitulate to the actress's requests.

If she'd been coaxed to stay beyond 1987, and Pam exited later in the series, then who knows?? (I always want Bobby and Cliff to learn in the final year of oldDALLAS, after a lengthy investigation in the shadows, that Pam "may have died" of adult-onset neurofibromatosis -- she was Digger's daughter after all!)

I agree that her exit in 1987 seems a good time for DALLAS to end. I guess Sue Ellen shooting JR in Alexis' high-rise in 1988, and Sue Ellen's departure in 1989, might've worked as well. And JR being locked away in an asylum in 1990 makes some sense.

I dunno. Everything in the last few seasons of DALLAS was just so piecemeal and unmoored (again, probably the wrong terms). And, worst of all, so intentionally silly.

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This is why I like season 9, Pam was strong and a force in her own right, a development years in the making, season 10 once Bobby was back out Pam in the corner, I could see VP wanting to do one more year had Bobby not returned, leaving in 1988, rounding up ten formative years from when she began her journey.

A car crash exit? Maybe but I doubt in the vent Bobby never returned that they’d make Christopher an orphan, he would have left with Pam
 

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I had heard rumors that had Duffy not been talked into returning, that when she opened the shower.. she would have found a dead Mark Grayson.. and that it tied to whatever deal JR had tried to do with Angelica Nero. And that the Ewing/Barnes feud would be revived with Pam taking an active part in helping her brother battle JR.

Had this happened, I could have seen Victoria Principal deciding to possibly stay on longer to see the whole arc/angle play out... but she could have just opted to leave the show with Christopher for a new start in 1987 had she still decided to not stay on.
 

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I've heard that, during the 1987 negotiations, Victoria only wanted to do an extra year if she was going to continue on, but the brass insisted on two more years. So that was that. Even those negotiations seemed to be done in a rush, because Victoria said "I'm leaving at the end of this season, and I told you two years ago".

Victoria has always said that Dallas peaked in its first 5 years or so, and then started declining. In the US, the tradition seems to be to milk a series until there is nothing left, not like many other countries where they often try to go out on a creative high if possible, like Fawlty Towers in the UK was a famous comedy that only did 12 episodes, when they could have done 100 where it becomes a shadow of its former self by the end.

Let's be honest, Dallas botched itself towards the end. Knots Landing ended perfectly.
 
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So brave to leave a top show when she was just 19.

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So she'd been 5 when she was doing "Earthquake"? Astonishing ...
Yeah well, bless her, they probably made the poor gal look decades older by just changing her hair, like they did with Beacham on "The Colbys". That's showbiz ...
 
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I can buy the fact that the car crash may have always been the plan when it was time for Pam’s exit. It makes sense and it does get teased, albeit in a dream scenario. Ironically, Pam dreamt an accident she ends up avoiding but then just a short time later is unable to when the real accident occurs. That’s pretty eerie.

But I kind of like the idea of Pam drowning in the Southfork pool instead. Both of Christopher’s mothers suffering the same exact fate, with J.R. once again mysteriously close by when it happens.



“How am I supposed to sit here on this patio and enjoy my eggs & toast with that death trap of a pool sitting so close by?”
 

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I can buy the fact that the car crash may have always been the plan when it was time for Pam’s exit. It makes sense and it does get teased, albeit in a dream scenario. Ironically, Pam dreamt an accident she ends up avoiding but then just a short time later is unable to when the real accident occurs. That’s pretty eerie.

But I kind of like the idea of Pam drowning in the Southfork pool instead. Both of Christopher’s mothers suffering the same exact fate, with J.R. once again mysteriously close by when it happens.



“How am I supposed to sit here on this patio and enjoy my eggs & toast with that death trap of a pool sitting so close by?”
this is an excellent idea. However, as JR pointed out the first time we saw the Southfork pool, Pam may well have been too naturally buoyant to drown therein.
 
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I wonder if the car imagery-Bobby and Pam's first scene, Sue Ellen and Mickey, Bobby being run over by Katherine, Pam's exit- was at all a conscious or semi conscious attempt at some symbolism: car=drive=ambition. Maybe? Maybe I'm over analyzing.
 

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I can buy the fact that the car crash may have always been the plan when it was time for Pam’s exit. It makes sense and it does get teased, albeit in a dream scenario. Ironically, Pam dreamt an accident she ends up avoiding but then just a short time later is unable to when the real accident occurs. That’s pretty eerie.

But I kind of like the idea of Pam drowning in the Southfork pool instead. Both of Christopher’s mothers suffering the same exact fate, with J.R. once again mysteriously close by when it happens.



“How am I supposed to sit here on this patio and enjoy my eggs & toast with that death trap of a pool sitting so close by?”
I'm convinced that we don't know the full story of what happened with J.R. and Kristin just before Kristin's death.
 

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I wonder if the car imagery-Bobby and Pam's first scene, Sue Ellen and Mickey, Bobby being run over by Katherine, Pam's exit- was at all a conscious or semi conscious attempt at some symbolism: car=drive=ambition. Maybe? Maybe I'm over analyzing.

If you detect a pattern, then there's a pattern. Whether or not it's intentional is kind of irrelevant. I always thought there was something of a theme in Ewings driving each other's cars leading to disaster: in '79, Bobby borrows JR's car and is kidnapped in his place; in '83, Sue Ellen does the same thing (with Mickey in tow) and gets turned over by Walt Driscoll; in '87, Pam borrows Bobby's car and gets blown up. (Likewise, in a parallel universe a year earlier, Jamie gets blown up in Jack's car.)
 

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Again, it's better to lose the actor than the character- RECAST Pam. With Bobby dead, what purpose would she serve? It was a mistake to move her out of Ewing Oil so fast.
 

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I'm convinced that we don't know the full story of what happened with J.R. and Kristin just before Kristin's death.

I always liked how they left it open to interpretation. It was, at first, implied that he had something to do with it yet just as quickly dismissed and then conveniently swept away and never brought up again.
 

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I always liked how they left it open to interpretation. It was, at first, implied that he had something to do with it yet just as quickly dismissed and then conveniently swept away and never brought up again.
The official story about J.R. just doesn't ring true to me when Kristin was there drowning in the Southfork pool, having hit her head on the patio after falling from the balcony, yet J.R. just stands there watching cooly as Cliff runs and jumps into the pool. I'm convinced at the very least that they had a physical scuffle while Kristin was on drugs, and she accidentally went over the balcony but J.R. just did nothing to help her. At worst, J.R. deliberately murdered her.

J.R.'s motives would be obvious, i.e. revenge for the year before.
 

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The official story about J.R. just doesn't ring true to me when Kristin was there drowning in the Southfork pool, having hit her head on the patio after falling from the balcony, yet J.R. just stands there watching cooly as Cliff runs and jumps into the pool. I'm convinced at the very least that they had a physical scuffle while Kristin was on drugs, and she accidentally went over the balcony but J.R. just did nothing to help her. At worst, J.R. deliberately murdered her.

J.R.'s motives would be obvious, i.e. revenge for the year before.
a prime Earl Campbell in full pads with a 20 yard head of steam couldn’t have smashed through the railing and landed in the pool like that..

whether someone pushed Kristin or not, there had to be a pretty healthy suspension of disbelief from the viewing audience to accept the situation at all.

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