President Obama's Legacy

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Now that President Obama is nearing the end of his presidency, it feels like a fitting time to assess his job performance. I came across this video the other day, and it sums up the good, the bad, and the ugly of the Obama Administration quite well. There's also an interesting comparison between candidate Obama and President Obama. Although he made progress in some areas, he unfortunately gave up his integrity in others.

 

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To his credit he may have helped some people, the celebrity culture for the most part seem to really like him, the middle class is still struggling and just getting by and the disinfranchised African American family have been forgotten again and that's a huge disappointment. It's not looking like The Affordable Care Act is going to be among his crowning achievements now.
 

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Obama has done a lot to repair how the USA is viewed internationally following the Presidency of George W Bush and his war in Iraq which resulted in America being viewed negatively by many countries. Whatever Obama's shortcomings have been on domestic policy he was done an enormous amount to improve the USA's international reputation.
 

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I am still waiting for somebody to tell me what Obama has done for black people..

He pontificated a message of hope..

Didnt mean anything.. Just a fancy slogan..

I cant deny he is charming.. So blacks went out in droves to vote for him.. And ge delivered nothing in return for them..
 

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I think you have him confused with George W. Bush.
Yes, Bush was far worse on that front. The Iraq War will go down as one of the biggest blunders of all time. Even worse than spending trillions of dollars on a lie are the thousands of lives that were lost over it.

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Obama has done a lot to repair how the USA is viewed internationally following the Presidency of George W Bush and his war in Iraq which resulted in America being viewed negatively by many countries. Whatever Obama's shortcomings have been on domestic policy he was done an enormous amount to improve the USA's international reputation.
Except that he didn't withdraw troops from Iraq when he said he would, he didn't close Gitmo, and he started his own wars in Libya and Syria. He ran on a campaign of transparency, and vowed to end the unconstitutional NSA surveillance program. But thanks to Edward Snowden, we learned that Obama had actually doubled down on Bush's surveillance program. When caught, he reversed the position he held during the campaign and said you can't have 100% privacy and 100% security. Unlike Bush, Obama is intelligent and well spoken. Unfortunately, he had no problem abandoning his principles in favor of neocon policies at home and abroad.

To his credit, he was able to have Bin Laden captured and killed without getting us into war to do so. However, the rest of his foreign policy is quite hawkish.

That said, the economy has improved under Obama. He's managed to maintain a low inflation rate, cut the federal deficit by two-thirds, and reduced the unemployment rate. On the downside, the growth rate of the GDP has been low and the national debt has increased. Still, the economy has done better under Obama than Bush. Conservatives hate Jimmy Carter, but even his economic record is slightly better than Bush's.

Obama is most known for the Affordable Care Act, but there have been issues there as well. He went from supporting single payer healthcare to a mandate to buy health insurance. While the number of uninsured Americans has dropped, millions still remain without coverage. In states that refused to expand Medicaid, people in poverty often don't meet the Medicaid eligibility requirements. On the flip side, they're also unable to afford health insurance. Having single payer healthcare at the federal level would solve that issue. This is why I liked the Sanders plan, rather than Hillary Clinton's proposed tweaks to the current plan.

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We can dialogue if you want..

Let me ask what has he done for black people who were the group that was motivated to come out in droves to vote for him??
That's difficult for me to answer. I'm not a member of the black community, and I tend to think more in terms of what a president does to help the poor and middle class.

That said, he has pushed for criminal justice reform to reduce sentences for non-violent crimes, and supports rehabilitation of drug offenders. Minorities in general make up over half of prison populations because they are more likely to be stopped, searched, and often receive tougher sentences than whites.
 
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Chicago and Baltimore are war zones so he really screwed the blacks and it shows....exit polling from early voting has Black support down 10% this year and now is the time they should be voting.
 

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Nope. He is right.. Barack Obama..
Let's see...Bush squanders the budget surplus from the Clinton administration giving tax cuts to the wealthy, burns $1.1 trillion on the Iraq War, then drives the economy off into the ditch, spends $700 billion on TARP to bail out the banks, and adds $5.8 trillion to the national debt...but Obama was the one who pissed away trillions of dollars and f*cked everything up. R-i-i-i-g-h-t...
 

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Let's see...Bush squanders the budget surplus from the Clinton administration giving tax cuts to the wealthy,
Obama extended those tax cuts.

burns $1.1 trillion on the Iraq War, then drives the economy off into the ditch,
Hillary voted in favor of the Iraq War.

spends $700 billion on TARP to bail out the banks,
Which both Obama and Hillary supported.

and adds $5.8 trillion to the national debt...but Obama was the one who pissed away trillions of dollars and f*cked everything up. R-i-i-i-g-h-t...
Yes, Bush was a disaster when it came to spending (among other things). I don't see how any small government conservative can like the guy.

On the other hand, when Democrats rightfully criticize him for his reckless spending, they rarely criticize the Democrats that supported these policies as well.
 

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Obama extended those tax cuts.
In order to extend the tax cuts for the middle class, which is the only way the Republicans would agree to it.

Hillary voted in favor of the Iraq War.
Based on false intelligence that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. The same intelligence that persuaded 72% of the American public to support the invasion (according to a March 2003 Gallup poll). A decision that she's repeatedly admitted was a mistake.

Which both Obama and Hillary supported.
So your point is that Obama and Hillary are no better than Bush? That they're responsible for driving the economy into the ditch?

Yes, Bush was a disaster when it came to spending (among other things). I don't see how any small government conservative can like the guy.
He isn't a Democrat. It's as simple as that.

On the other hand, when Democrats rightfully criticize him for his reckless spending, they rarely criticize the Democrats that supported these policies as well.
My point wasn't to criticize Bush so much as to call out the utter bullsh!t of criticizing Obama for "pissing away trillions of dollars and f*cking everything up." It's totally hypocritical as well as patently absurd.
 
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In order to extend the tax cuts for the middle class, which is the only way the Republicans would agree to it.
That's a valid point, but I would have liked to have seen him fight harder for the things he campaigned for.

Based on false intelligence that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. The same intelligence that persuaded 72% of the American public to support the invasion (according to a March 2003 Gallup poll). A decision that she's repeatedly admitted was a mistake.
If Bush came out and said it was a mistake, would he be absolved?

It's a question of judgement. I have more respect for the legislators that saw through the crap of the Bush Administration than those who consulted opinion polls.

So your point is that Obama and Hillary are no better than Bush? That they're responsible for driving the economy into the ditch?
Hillary voted for the Iraq War, Obama and Hillary both voted for TARP, so surely blame has to be shared among the legislators that voted for these Bush policies.

My point wasn't to criticize Bush so much as to call out the utter bullsh!t of criticizing Obama for "pissing away trillions of dollars and f*cking everything up." It's totally hypocritical as well as patently absurd.
I agree with you there. I just wish there hadn't been Democrats that supported some of those awful Bush policies.
 

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If Bush came out and said it was a mistake, would he be absolved?
I suppose it would depend on whether someone is idiot enough to believe that his administration didn't know Saddam didn't have WMDs and that they didn't deliberately dupe Congress as well as the American public. As for Hillary, are you saying you expect her to be infallible? I'm assuming the same standard applies to every other politician you consider voting for?

It's a question of judgement. I have more respect for the legislators that saw through the crap of the Bush Administration than those who consulted opinion polls.
So what intelligence were these legislators privy to that was apparently kept top secret from everyone else? Or were they all just members of Mensa and, apparently, just that much smarter than Hillary Clinton?

Hillary voted for the Iraq War, Obama and Hillary both voted for TARP, so surely blame has to be shared among the legislators that voted for these Bush policies.
Well, that's quite a few legislators since 73% of Democrats in the House and 79% of Democrats in the Senate voted for TARP.
 

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Let's see...Bush squanders the budget surplus from the Clinton administration giving tax cuts to the wealthy, burns $1.1 trillion on the Iraq War, then drives the economy off into the ditch, spends $700 billion on TARP to bail out the banks, and adds $5.8 trillion to the national debt...but Obama was the one who pissed away trillions of dollars and f*cked everything up. R-i-i-i-g-h-t...
Wrong.. But I have proven it wrong to you ten times over the years..

Yeah, Dubya left the country in debt.. And I dont see anybody trying to say otherwise...

As a percent of GDP, Obama takes the cake. Granted, in Bush's final year he added around a trillion himself(with democrat control). Obama behaved like it was a race though and quickly lapped Bush, a couple times, adding about $2t the year after.

the Federal debt is cumulative. It is the total federal debt.

Let me elucidate because you are always slow on thus.. Bush took us from about $5t to $10t and Obama will get us from about $10t to $20t. Again, Obama wins (loses?)
 

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I suppose it would depend on whether someone is idiot enough to believe that his administration didn't know Saddam didn't have WMDs and that they didn't deliberately dupe Congress as well as the American public. As for Hillary, are you saying you expect her to be infallible? I'm assuming the same standard applies to every other politician you consider voting for?
I don't expect politicians to be infallible, but I do expect them to weigh the long term consequences against the benefits (if any) of their actions.

No matter how you look at it, Iraq was no small mistake in terms of lives lost and money spent. Also, not every member of Congress was duped into believing Saddam had WMDs.

So what intelligence were these legislators privy to that was apparently kept top secret from everyone else? Or were they all just members of Mensa and, apparently, just that much smarter than Hillary Clinton?
It wasn't top secret information. As I said before, it was a judgement call.

In his opposition to the invasion, Bernie Sanders cited intelligence that said Saddam was unlikely to launch chemical or biological attacks against the United States. He also cited the loss of life that would result from such an invasion, the financial cost involved, the instability that would exist after overthrowing Saddam, and the precedent it would set for going to war with a nation for any reason at any time.

He obviously didn't need a crystal ball to see the writing on the wall.

Well, that's quite a few legislators since 73% of Democrats in the House and 79% of Democrats in the Senate voted for TARP.
Yes, which proves my point that Bush isn't solely responsible for it.

It would be easier for me to dump all of the blame on Bush for his policies if they didn't have bipartisan support.
 
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