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<blockquote data-quote="Angela Channing" data-source="post: 419764" data-attributes="member: 33"><p>The UK never did that though because it's not something the Prime Minister could have done unilaterally so there would have had to have been a debate in the UK Parliament to authorise it and no such debate ever took place regardless of what the conspiracy theorists claim. Also, there is no record in Hansard (the official record of Parliament) that the Prime Minister was ever asked a question about this imaginary deal. In fact,<strong> there doesn't appear to be any official record anywhere</strong> to support your claim.</p><p></p><p>Robert Zoellick, the U.S. diplomat who helped negotiate the end of the Cold War, <a href="https://hls.harvard.edu/today/there-was-no-promise-not-to-enlarge-nato/" target="_blank">denied there was any such promise</a>. <em>“I was in those meetings, and Gorbachev has [also] said there was no promise not to enlarge NATO”</em> he said. Repeating the same Russian lie over and over again doesn't make it true no matter how many times you say. Zoellick was in the room when the unification of Germany was being negotiated so I think he is a more reliable source than your unverified comments from The Salon.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Peace and surrender are not the same thing.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The REAL REASON why Zelensky is prolonging the war is his commitment to defending Ukraine's sovereign borders, a stance widely supported by the Ukrainian population. This approach would be the same for the USA if anyone invaded your country, so it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Whatever conspiracy theorist Jimmy Dore says in that video, it's likely to be nonsense, unverified and with no factual basis whatsoever because that's his usual schtick.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Angela Channing, post: 419764, member: 33"] The UK never did that though because it's not something the Prime Minister could have done unilaterally so there would have had to have been a debate in the UK Parliament to authorise it and no such debate ever took place regardless of what the conspiracy theorists claim. Also, there is no record in Hansard (the official record of Parliament) that the Prime Minister was ever asked a question about this imaginary deal. In fact,[B] there doesn't appear to be any official record anywhere[/B] to support your claim. Robert Zoellick, the U.S. diplomat who helped negotiate the end of the Cold War, [URL='https://hls.harvard.edu/today/there-was-no-promise-not-to-enlarge-nato/']denied there was any such promise[/URL]. [I]“I was in those meetings, and Gorbachev has [also] said there was no promise not to enlarge NATO”[/I] he said. Repeating the same Russian lie over and over again doesn't make it true no matter how many times you say. Zoellick was in the room when the unification of Germany was being negotiated so I think he is a more reliable source than your unverified comments from The Salon. Peace and surrender are not the same thing. The REAL REASON why Zelensky is prolonging the war is his commitment to defending Ukraine's sovereign borders, a stance widely supported by the Ukrainian population. This approach would be the same for the USA if anyone invaded your country, so it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Whatever conspiracy theorist Jimmy Dore says in that video, it's likely to be nonsense, unverified and with no factual basis whatsoever because that's his usual schtick. [/QUOTE]
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