Dallas Character Sue Ellen leaving

Presea

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He doesn't have, and couldn't have had a relationship any deeper than the one he had with Sue Ellen. It dumbfounds me that you can't see the opportunity that was missed in not pairing them up to go into business together instead of that twit Cryder. Watching him with anyone else was and would have been downright boring and would have done NOTHING for the ratings. A marriage to Mandy would have lasted about 5 seconds. I completely disagree that Mandy was the only one he missed when he couldn't see her - where is the evidence of that?? It was Sue Ellen he continually chased after and even referred to as 'my wife' to Don Lockwood when they had divorced. Larry Hagman said of Sue Ellen 'JR is endlessly captivated by Sue Ellen'. JR had NO problem letting Mandy go when the choice had to be made. I sure didn't see him missing her then, or at any other point in the series. And that's not just because I detest the woman - it just didn't happen. He missed Sue Ellen when he wasn't with her and that is obvious. He changed completely when she left for good.

If you think JR would have treated or had a better relationship with Mandy in marriage or any other woman, that's foolish. Love them or hate them, in love or tearing each other's heads off - JR and Sue Ellen only worked when they were together or one was chasing the other. As I keep saying, the quote from the producer is 'Without Sue Ellen, JR was much less'. All Larry Hagman wanted for JR and Sue Ellen by the time 1996 and the reunion movies came was 'to make things right between JR and Sue Ellen'. He said that to the writers. He didn't care about anyone else - except things being made right for the awful mess of the past few years.

To suggest pairing him up with any other woman is just a fantasy. It just doesn't work at all, in any respect.
I can't say I would have found it boring to see JR with the devious Katherine. They could have kicked everyone's butts and even drove people to kill themselves with Wentworth Industries and Ewing Oil. And laugh at them in the process! But all I was really trying to say was that having common interests are helpful when it comes to relationships. Sure, Sue Ellen became a businesswoman, but it had nothing to do with the oil business. Just what is JR supposed to do with lingerie? Uh, wait a minute. Maybe it's best if we don't answer that question! lol!
 
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Presea

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You have a point here, which is why I think "JR Returns" set up for an interesting dynamic when Sue Ellen went into the oil business to become Bobby's partner in Ewing Oil. JR & Sue Ellen were the most interesting relationship in my opinion. They should have kept evolving it instead of giving up on it! ;)
I don't know why it was with Bobby, though! They missed a golden opportunity to have Sue Ellen work with JR at Ewing Oil! Why is it always Bobby!?
 

TomParks2016

Telly Talk Fan
I am going to post this here just incase anyone is interested....the storylines had Duffy not come back. Some of this info is from Ultimate Dallas, and others from my memories of 20 years ago on the EO chat room.

What was the planned if Bobby had not returned?
Mark Graison was due to be killed off leaving Pam more powerful then ever and vow to destroy J.R. (John Beck said Mark was not to be killed and would return for season 10, but at the time it WAS to be mark laying in the shower...maybe drunk passed out instead of dead)

Jack would of been Pam's comforter resulting in more Jenna/Pam confrontations. (Once again this was based on Mark dying, but later rumors had Jack and Jenna growing closer in their relationship possible marriage)

Jamie would of been killed in the car explosion, Sue Ellen would be paralyzed and blame J.R. (This was planned and so was the trial of Angelica Nero..Sue Ellen was also to be blinded but make a full recovery)

Cliff would also blame J.R for Jamie's death and again refuel the feud this time backed by Pamela. (True)

Ben Stivers would of turned out to actually be Jock and take away Ewing Oil from J.R . (True)

Tony would have operation to regain hearing and have a relationship with Charlie
 

Rove

Telly Talk Warrior
Ben Stivers would of turned out to actually be Jock and take away Ewing Oil from J.R . (True)

Seriously? As if the writers hadn't learnt their mistake with the Wes Parmalee story. I wasn't buying it and I don't think many others were either. I would not have settled for any actor replacing Jim Davis just to bring a character back from the dead. Unless you lived under a rock most knew Jim had passed away. I thought the writers at the time handled it all beautifully. They cleverly had Jock and Miss Ellie overseas on a holiday before Jock diverted to South America while Miss Ellie returned to Dallas. Then the awful truth came through that Jock was dead. We had the two boys fight for control of Ewing Oil. Dallas was at its peak during this period so if the writers suddenly thought that bringing back Jock was a good idea they should think again...and it appeared they did.
 

Rove

Telly Talk Warrior
I can't say I would have found it boring to see JR with the devious Katherine.

One thing I would have loved to see from that pairing was the devil incarnate. After Katherine had slept with J.R. didn't she leave Dallas and return to New York or somewhere before returning to Dallas to wreck havoc? I'm sure there was a window of opportunity there for Katherine to have fallen pregnant but secretly given birth. Now that would have been a delightful character to introduce into the Dallas TNT universe than some secret daughter of J.R.
 

Sarah

Moderator Emerita
One of the best articles about Sue Ellen that I've ever read, including information on JR. If you think JR would have treated any other woman any differently, you're mad. Sue Ellen proved herself better than and stronger than ANY woman he'd ever known.

https://glitterforgrownups.wordpress.com/tag/sue-ellen-ewing/

"I used to own a T-shirt with the slogan ‘I Love Sue Ellen’ embossed across the front. It was dusty purple, made from that thin, soft cotton that feels like luxury – even though it costs next to nothing and is likely fashioned into garments by oppressed children, from scraggy old bits of fabric found discarded on the floors of Third World factories. And it used to cling to my boobies in a very fetching manner, and rise up to reveal my midriff, which, at the time – due to exercise, youth and genetics – was toned and washboard flat.

I fucking loved that T-shirt. Although I have absolutely no idea where it is now. It has gone to the heaven of lost things, along with all the earrings I have ever purchased and that sky-blue Paul Smith stiletto I misplaced a few years ago, when I threw it at my brother, on Plumstead common, during a drunken fight in the snow.

But I digress.

The thing I want to tell you about is Sue Ellen. You know, the character off Dallas. Married to JR Ewing (him of the oil baroning, massive Stetson hat and philandering). Let’s ignore the fact that this is an ancient cultural reference and get to the important point: what a woman.

If I could be anyone when I grow up, I’d be Sue Ellen.

That face. The pearlescent teeth. The permanent, unchipped manicure. The lingerie business. The alcoholism that never quite got the better of her. The shoulder pads. Those watery great eyes that lull you into thinking she’s fallen for it, but then there’s a golden flash and you realise: shit, this bitch has a gun in her purse and she is not afraid to use it.

The only thing that would dampen the experience of being Sue Ellen, as far as I can tell, is the disastrous relationship with JR – the man she loved, for her sins, but who didn’t know how to love her back (and also that stint in a mental institution, and the subsequent postnatal depression). For example, despite the fact he had the world’s sharpest woman waiting at home, JR kept shagging about with lithe, dumb, younger women and making up daft excuses that Sue Ellen was too smart to fall for, but that she sometimes pretended to believe, as women are wont to do, because dealing with an unfaithful lover is a massive faff. As she proved when she embarked upon a revenge affair, and fell pregnant, and was never quite sure if her husband or his arch nemesis was the father.

Poor, beautiful Sue Ellen – made to deal with having her self-esteem smashed to bits on a regular basis – which, of course, was JR’s method of control. In betraying her, he made himself the main thing about her life. He became the sun around which she was forced to orbit. And that was sad, because, as I’ve proved, she was capable of so much more.

If only JR had been brave enough to be with her properly, and love her without the drama and cruelty, as she deserved to be loved. But that was never going to happen, except when it did and then it turned out to be a dream (don’t fret too much babe, that happens to me most nights).

No-one can convince me that Sue Ellen wouldn’t have been better off single. Just imagine the life a woman that fabulous might have led, if she hadn’t married a podgy smooth-talker who couldn’t keep his dick in his pants. It’s a good job she’s fictional, and can therefore remain a role model for ladies like me, who haven’t quite decided how to live yet.

And let’s not forget, she divorced the bastard in the end.

(Then the horrendous 2012 series went and ruined it. But we won’t discuss that here because: for f**k’s sake.)"
 

Presea

Telly Talk Addict
Seriously? As if the writers hadn't learnt their mistake with the Wes Parmalee story. I wasn't buying it and I don't think many others were either. I would not have settled for any actor replacing Jim Davis just to bring a character back from the dead. Unless you lived under a rock most knew Jim had passed away. I thought the writers at the time handled it all beautifully. They cleverly had Jock and Miss Ellie overseas on a holiday before Jock diverted to South America while Miss Ellie returned to Dallas. Then the awful truth came through that Jock was dead. We had the two boys fight for control of Ewing Oil. Dallas was at its peak during this period so if the writers suddenly thought that bringing back Jock was a good idea they should think again...and it appeared they did.
What I can't stand about it here is the part about him taking Ewing Oil away from JR! It seems like no matter what dimension they were in, the writers were determined to not let JR have Ewing Oil. I don't know why.
 

Presea

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One thing I would have loved to see from that pairing was the devil incarnate. After Katherine had slept with J.R. didn't she leave Dallas and return to New York or somewhere before returning to Dallas to wreck havoc? I'm sure there was a window of opportunity there for Katherine to have fallen pregnant but secretly given birth. Now that would have been a delightful character to introduce into the Dallas TNT universe than some secret daughter of J.R.
It could have been great. Too bad Cynthia Cidre didn't have the brains to do it! It also would've been cool to have in the original Dallas. JR's reaction to THAT! lol! It could have been a way to have Katherine around again. I always wondered why Morgan Brittany left after only two episodes in season 11 (dvd). At first they made it sound like they had plans for her, but then it just stopped. Did she do something to make Leonard Katzman and Larry Hagman angry?
 

Presea

Telly Talk Addict
One of the best articles about Sue Ellen that I've ever read, including information on JR. If you think JR would have treated any other woman any differently, you're mad. Sue Ellen proved herself better than and stronger than ANY woman he'd ever known.

https://glitterforgrownups.wordpress.com/tag/sue-ellen-ewing/

"I used to own a T-shirt with the slogan ‘I Love Sue Ellen’ embossed across the front. It was dusty purple, made from that thin, soft cotton that feels like luxury – even though it costs next to nothing and is likely fashioned into garments by oppressed children, from scraggy old bits of fabric found discarded on the floors of Third World factories. And it used to cling to my boobies in a very fetching manner, and rise up to reveal my midriff, which, at the time – due to exercise, youth and genetics – was toned and washboard flat.

I fucking loved that T-shirt. Although I have absolutely no idea where it is now. It has gone to the heaven of lost things, along with all the earrings I have ever purchased and that sky-blue Paul Smith stiletto I misplaced a few years ago, when I threw it at my brother, on Plumstead common, during a drunken fight in the snow.

But I digress.

The thing I want to tell you about is Sue Ellen. You know, the character off Dallas. Married to JR Ewing (him of the oil baroning, massive Stetson hat and philandering). Let’s ignore the fact that this is an ancient cultural reference and get to the important point: what a woman.

If I could be anyone when I grow up, I’d be Sue Ellen.

That face. The pearlescent teeth. The permanent, unchipped manicure. The lingerie business. The alcoholism that never quite got the better of her. The shoulder pads. Those watery great eyes that lull you into thinking she’s fallen for it, but then there’s a golden flash and you realise: shit, this bitch has a gun in her purse and she is not afraid to use it.

The only thing that would dampen the experience of being Sue Ellen, as far as I can tell, is the disastrous relationship with JR – the man she loved, for her sins, but who didn’t know how to love her back (and also that stint in a mental institution, and the subsequent postnatal depression). For example, despite the fact he had the world’s sharpest woman waiting at home, JR kept shagging about with lithe, dumb, younger women and making up daft excuses that Sue Ellen was too smart to fall for, but that she sometimes pretended to believe, as women are wont to do, because dealing with an unfaithful lover is a massive faff. As she proved when she embarked upon a revenge affair, and fell pregnant, and was never quite sure if her husband or his arch nemesis was the father.

Poor, beautiful Sue Ellen – made to deal with having her self-esteem smashed to bits on a regular basis – which, of course, was JR’s method of control. In betraying her, he made himself the main thing about her life. He became the sun around which she was forced to orbit. And that was sad, because, as I’ve proved, she was capable of so much more.

If only JR had been brave enough to be with her properly, and love her without the drama and cruelty, as she deserved to be loved. But that was never going to happen, except when it did and then it turned out to be a dream (don’t fret too much babe, that happens to me most nights).

No-one can convince me that Sue Ellen wouldn’t have been better off single. Just imagine the life a woman that fabulous might have led, if she hadn’t married a podgy smooth-talker who couldn’t keep his dick in his pants. It’s a good job she’s fictional, and can therefore remain a role model for ladies like me, who haven’t quite decided how to live yet.

And let’s not forget, she divorced the bastard in the end.

(Then the horrendous 2012 series went and ruined it. But we won’t discuss that here because: for keep’s sake.)"
I still believe that my idea would have played out better if the writers had had the guts to do it instead of making Katherine go psycho for Bobby. She was a strong female character in season 5 (dvd) who stood on her own as a successful journalist with the potential for more. They only wrote her that way then because they didn't know they would invite her back to the show again. But even after they remade her (like with so many other women on Dallas as well) Katherine was still responsible for JR not winning Ewing Oil and crushing his fantasy of Bobby marrying Jenna. JR couldn't even find her after she disappeared! She knew how to play on JR's level, and would have had no problem with him doing things like driving men like Edgar Randolph and Walt Driscoll to commit suicide if she had been with him. Oh yeah, and like Sue Ellen, this bitch also wasn't afraid to use a gun!
 
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