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The ninth season bad, average, good or very good poll


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Richard Denault

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The madness of the ninth season
Susan didn't appear even though she was in the first two episodes.
Jane in all of them although she only worked in the five
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Titles credit differences
1The price of freedom different logo without shield
2 Charley returns shield and original logo
3 Flesh and blood appears Wendy Philips
7 Angela appears in a black suit and very good looking
11 Time bomb Margaret Ladd disappears and Andrea Thompson appears
13 Four women disappear Rod Taylor
14 Brotherly Love Chao Li disappears
20 The return Chao Li reappears

 
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I like season 9 more than most, but I only saw the latter half of season 7, 8, and 9 until 2010 or so, so I didn't have the dedication to the sense of the original show at the time. I can see why some of the handling of season 8, and especially 9 turned off longtime fans. If you take season 9 for what it is, it's mostly very entertaining writing.
 

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The madness of the ninth season
Susan didn't appear even though she was in the first two episodes.
Jane in all of them although she only worked in the five
8 main title
Titles credit differences
1The price of freedom different logo without shield
2 Charley returns shield and original logo
3 Flesh and blood appears Wendy Philips
7 Angela appears in a black suit and very good looking
11 Time bomb Margaret Ladd disappears and Andrea Thompson appears
13 Four women disappear Rod Taylor
14 Brotherly Love Chao Li disappears
20 The return Chao Li reappears


I've always said, they could have at least kept Chao-Li. Yeesh. As much as I do enjoy the 9th season, I will admit the the lack of connection to the previous seasons does take away from it some. The new production team should have done their homework a little more, or maybe just didn't care? While Rod Taylor only started out at the end of the 7th season, perhaps it would have been wiser to keep him around since Jane Wyman was mostly absent? Also, his departure was too abrupt and didn't make a lot of sense. No bail? No trial? oook. I guess maybe we were just to assume all of these things took place withoit any of the Falcon Crest chracters particpating? Laugh.
 

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I've always said, they could have at least kept Chao-Li. Yeesh. As much as I do enjoy the 9th season, I will admit the the lack of connection to the previous seasons does take away from it some. The new production team should have done their homework a little more, or maybe just didn't care? While Rod Taylor only started out at the end of the 7th season, perhaps it would have been wiser to keep him around since Jane Wyman was mostly absent? Also, his departure was too abrupt and didn't make a lot of sense. No bail? No trial? oook. I guess maybe we were just to assume all of these things took place withoit any of the Falcon Crest chracters particpating? Laugh.
For the writers of the ninth, the viewers were amnesic not only from the previous seasons but from the ninth.
Genele, who murdered her sister and was responsible for Frank being put in jail, invited by Angela to the wedding.
Michael who murdered Sal in cold blood, Lauren's godfather
At least Michael and Genele could have fled abroad to escape from prison.
 

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If Richard had disappeared, he was in jail or had fled abroad.
It would have worked better Michael wants Falcon Crest for whatever reason Lance and Pilar would have objected.
Richard was the second highest paid actor in the series and was very misused
Jane got paid all season. She could have phoned in several episodes. Less tiring for Jane than intervening personally
 
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In an interview that Margaret Ladd gave to the president of the German club. In 2007 after Jane's death
German club president
“Do you know if Jane Wyman knew she would be coming back at the end of season 9 when she left at the beginning of that year?” we asked.
“I doubt it. She probably was really mad. It's my guess.
“Why do you think Jane was mad?
Oh, Jane was always very OPINIONATED,… she always had her OWN IDEAS OF HER,… WAS STRONG, VOCAL ABOUT HER OPINION OF HER, […] that was from day one. “She was a COMPLICATED fascinating woman.”
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It was said that the first Bible was horrible but the second was better.
The character of Sidney was created to be his right-hand man.I suppose the last three scripts had his approval,
Due to the production and air dates of Falcon Crest, the first of its 20 The return occurred while it aired 914 Brotherly love 10 million viewers
Home again while aired 916 Walking money 10.2
But with the following Vigil 9.1 a loss of 1,100,000 viewers and the fall to the precipice began, In the end, Jane's return was the least watched episode of Falcon Crest 8 million
If it had appeared earlier it would have had more viewers
 

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“Why do you think Jane was mad?
“Oh, Jane was always very opinionated,… she always had her own ideas of her,… was strong, vocal about her opinion of her, […] that was from day one. “She was a complicated fascinating woman.”
Complicated, very opinionated It seems that Jane had a lot of influence on the series.
We talk about producers, screenwriters but and JANE??
The following was commented on IMBD, it is anonymous but it is similar to Margaret's comment
"Although the show was Jane Wyman's starring vehicle, she really caused too much off-camera damage, among them were storyline demands. She wasn't a qualified, professional writer, she would've allowed the writers to do their job. Most of her co-stars were absolutely disgusted with Wyman, because it was her call to have her own storylines. Her behavior got so bossy, in later years, that it also went down the drain."
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She wasn't a qualified, professional writer, she would've allowed the writers to do their job. Most of her co-stars were absolutely disgusted with Wyman, because it was her call to have her own storylines. Her behavior got so bossy, in later years, that it also went down the drain."

This couldn't be farther from the truth.
Jane may have been opinionated and blunt whenever she didn't like a script, but never did anyone working with her tell me that she was incompetent or unqualified. Neither was anyone disgusted with her work ethics. Quite the contrary is the case: She was the consummate professional, which is why her fellow cast members adored her.
Adsressing things that are unsuitable in a script, like misguided character development or incoherent dialog, is nothing other cast members wouldn't have done, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it because that's what cast readings are for. David and Susan did it all the time, and Foxworth more often than anyone albeit in a different way that drove the writers and producers nuts. Foxworth's criticism always seemed to have been over the top since he apparently didn't understand he wasn't on a Shakespeare stage, but on a TV drama, but he felt TV was somewhat beneath him.

IMDb's anonymous post about Jane gives evidence of the biggest problem of IMDb — it's unreliability because there is no editorial staff to check facts. Everybody can just edit and add stuff. They claim to check facts, but they apparently don't.

IMDb is very inaccurate. Just one example what happens when you are an expert and try to correct things:
In # 149 <6.22> "Nowhere to Run", Angie has some of her Del Oro staff members make preparations for Vickie and Dan's engagement part at the Mansion. One of them is the regular Del Oro chief receptionist (a silent bit played by extra and stuntwoman Arlena Hollarman Apisa), who wears glasses in this scene. She wants to put a vase away (the Ming vase Chao-Li later drops). Angela calls her Helen, and clearly addresses that Del Oro employee because Angie's line is about the vase. But this is the scene where someone ridiculously got the first name "Helen" from and attributed it to Mrs. Whitaker's (Laurel Schaefer), who is standing next to Angela. Therefore, IMDb lists Laurel Schaefer as "Helen Whitaker", which is totally ridiculous. Mrs. Whitaker's name was never mentioned — neither on screen, nor in the script. I tried to fix it on IMDb and explained what happened, offering proof from production documents since they claim they want to do fact-checking, but they declined my changes, saying it's from "unreliable sources". What's more reliable than the episode itself and production papers?
I think that example shows that nobody should take IMDb seriously. Also, many rôles are attributed to the wrong talent on IMDb — not a "Falcon" specific problem, but it happens on thousands of productions on IMDb.
 

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This couldn't be farther from the truth.
Jane may have been opinionated and blunt whenever she didn't like a script, but never did anyone working with her tell me that she was incompetent or unqualified. Neither was anyone disgusted with her work ethics. Quite the contrary is the case: She was the consummate professional, which is why her fellow cast members adored her.
Nobody denies that she was the epitome of professionalism as an actress.
But her qualities as a writer are discussed here.
The interview you did with Margaret is very significant. Although some fragment was omitted. Apparently her health was an excuse for her absence in the ninth.
There is something more disgusting than her when she toasts, delighted that her son is going to jail. At the end of the eighth
Or how much she makes Michael read, he adores his father. That Richard is broke and that he is going to jail.
Or the final soliloquy had to have been melancholic Maggie, Chase, Melissa dead
The final sequence should have been a toast with Lance Pilar Lauren Chao Li and Richard toasting Falcon Crest
Regarding the interviews, Michael Reagan was the only one who commented.
"He told me that Jane would sit in her chair next to the set, going through the script while the other actors filmed their scenes"
What the directors and the rest of the actors thought. Jane was never a superstar nor was Bette Davis.
Regarding the fact that the cast adored her as Margaret, I confirmed that except for Harris Harris and the vice president of advertising at Lorimar, it does not seem that any member of the cast visited her in the last 17 years of her life.

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He seemed to understand in this interview
Robert was a show-off.
David had starred in theater works such as Cat On A Hot Tin Roof 1975 with Sandy Denni , The Children’s Hour with Joanne Woodward 1978,A Woman In Paris with Geraldine Page and 1981 Hedda Gabler 1981with Jane Alexander
And in 1996 he performed Much Ado About Nothing of Shakespeare with Kelly McGillis.
By the way he said years later Joanne Woodward (wife of Paul Newman, both good friends) I'm in DC Washington DC doing a play at the Shakespeare theater and with Kelly McGillis Joanne sends me a note backstage
David? I didn't know you could do comedy like that.
She said that she was like that and that it was wonderful and that she would have been there for a couple of days and she came to see the play.
He also had a PhD, I guess he worked at Falcon Crest because he had a family life and because they paid him very well.
But as they say in theater there are no small roles but small actors. David really enjoy playing Richard Channing
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Robert was a show-off.
David had starred in theater works such as A Woman In Paris Geraldine Page 1981, The Children’s Hour with Joanne Woodward 1978, Cat On A Hot Tin Roof 1975 with Sandy Dennis and Hedda Gabler 1981 Jane Alexander
The character of Gary Edwin was written for him.
But he refused to play him in the double episode of Dallas reunion. He was performing Children Hour in theater
At that time Dallas was not so famous

What a shame we missed seeing it with J.R.
"I is that correct but I had no idea what the show was but so someone assumed that it was not planned I guess but I was doing it but I didn't even think about it you know because I was already doing the play
To be fair this was a couple years before Dallas really became the Nationwide phenomenon
As it turned out obviously with the the fellow who ended up playing um they got a terrific guy to play that role David Ackroyd
 
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It's a soap about a family at war.
Yes, but a mother hates her firstborn who she thought had died at birth. That he had been kidnapped by her husband's lover. And that he had been raised by a criminal.
More logical than Richard hated his mother. Because he blamed her for what happened to him in his childhood.
Not even Angela could explain why she HATED Richard.
This scene was added at the last minute and Father Bob had to fly to Napa to film it. He had to meet before the scene where Angela rejected Richard.
That's why I didn't succeed. Angela was very unmotherly.
Jane told this
I was making a purchase of whatever it was and this little lady, I don't think she was bigger than that, and she kicked me so hard, I had a bruise for a week on this leg. She said, 'You know something, I can't stand the way you treat your children. I get so bored I turn it off, I just look at the clothes."
 
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David? I didn't know you could do comedy like that.
Well David in theater played dramatic roles.
In 1992 he performed The Crucible of Arthur Miller, his performance was so good that Arthur Miller had heard of it.
1992 Night of iguana Tenesse Williams and Long Journey into Night of Eugene O'Neill 1999.
Although in real life he had a great sense of humor.
 
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I think that example shows that nobody should take IMDb seriously. Also, many rôles are attributed to the wrong talent on IMDb — not a "Falcon" specific problem, but it happens on thousands of productions on IMDb.
Well, I think the comment is very appropriate.
Jane wyman commented that Jeff Freich consulted her about her character's arcs.
And Howard Larkin who read the scripts over the phone.
 

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In another thread on this forum Julia'Gun commented
There is an interesting interview with Lee Rich, a Lorimar executive out there somewhere, in which he mentions something about a 9 year contract with all these shows that kept them all on the air with CBS. Because of the huge success of Dallas, both Knots and Falcon Crest seem to have been given 9 season runs each to guarantee them on air with the network, if Lorimar kept producing them.
This would explain why the dire trash of much of the later period of this show (particularly S7) still led to this show coming back each year, something which would never happen now. And it also explains why Michael Filerman was forced to actually work as an exec producer on Season 8, as he was still collecting a pay check each year since the first season. It looks like these shows had contracts to keep them on CBS, whatever the ratings for a min. of 9 years each, and which is why they all fell like a house of cards from 1989 onwards.
If that is the case with these shows - as Rich seems to imply in that interview I watched - then it explains why Season 9 feels like a sarcastic dance over the grave of a soap that should already have long been dropped by then. Warner had taken over Lorimar, staff members left or were made redundant, so nobody wanted this show but it looks like they were stuck with it for another year. The ratings were already awful, so Joel Surnow and writer Robert Cochran (later of '24') would probably have preferred to create their own show, using some of their ideas from Season 9, but without it being tied to Falcon Crest.
If they were given Falcon Crest to work on but told to do what they liked with it, then they never had any real interest in 'saving the show' but instead did a kind of autopsy/deconstruction on the main cast. This in itself helps explain why much of S9 is so original and intriguing from a neutral soap fan point of view, but it was way too much for the few original viewers that still remained and actually watched it.
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Chao li explained the problems of the French Cine Tele Revue nine season
In the early years of the show, during the time of producer Earl Hamner, we were one big family. We would take the time to sit down and discuss the characters, develop them, improve the plot. Then, the producers came one after the other, each time bringing their teams of screenwriters and directors with them. Now, no one knows who is who. The new writers give the impression that they have never looked at what has happened in eight years and that they know nothing about the psychological evolution of each person.
The only permanence in the series are the three characters played by Jane Wyman, Lorenzo Lamas and myself. But the policy of our bosses has changed. The plot sometimes veered a hundred and eighty degrees! How do you expect the faithful viewer to identify with it when what makes this type of saga successful is precisely the permanence of certain characters in a plot that evolves. »


The writers seem completely unaware,” comments Chao-Li Chi. “It would be really great if viewers could talk to us directly and voice their criticism! Generally, major channels are very attentive to public opinion. But there are also teams that literally live in an ivory tower. And that of “Falcon Crest” has become incapable of making the best use of all the resources of the series!
What is incredible is that CBS, which had committed 13 episodes, up to Four Woman, then ordered another five more, that is, up to Dark Streets. And the last four.
It would be interesting if TJP knows when these additional episodes were ordered.
 
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It was a pity how FC got so different for the last season and in my opinion the quality dropped. Dynasty showed how to go out on a high, even though they were probably planning a #10 season.
 

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Falcon Crest is dying
The worst thing is that this article was written when episode 13 Four Wiman was being filmed, there were nine left to film and everyone except the show runners. . knew it was a disaster. At least they were paid more for the 22 episodes but I guess they loved the series and They were as upset as the fans
"The end so close On the set, no one has yet officially announced the end of “Falcon Crest”. But all those who have been doing the soap opera for eight years are no longer hiding the truth: "There is no doubt in anyone's mind that CBS's decision will fall: we are living our last moments together..." The miracle that some admit they still hope, will he call Jane Wyman? The star, closely attached to “Falcon Crest”, because the series was for her the late crowning of a great cinematographic career, could return in the last episodes and give them new life.
But no one really believes in it anymore. The confidence of past years has given way to great sadness, the sadness that precedes goodbyes that we know are final, that of a family that is about to separate. “I’ve been here since day one. I even worked on the pilot episode,” the dresser explained to me, “and I’ve never experienced an atmosphere like this.
This set saw the biggest stars pass by, from Lana Turner, who was not easy, to Leslie Caron, who left us all with wonderful memories with her kindness and simplicity, including Gina Lollobrigida, who had difficulty holding back her dialogues in English and wanted at all costs to appear twenty years younger than her age, even though she is truly superb. Mrs. Wyman has always been exquisitely kind to the technicians and everyone respects her deeply.
She even played poker with us when a change of scenery kept her immobile for too long. No, nothing is definitely comparable to the current situation.
Most people are in a bad mood because they know full well that everything is going wrong..." "Falcon Crest" risks ending like "Dynasty": with a taste of unfinished business. The gunshots follow one another at such a pace in the new episodes that the saga will perhaps simply end... for lack of characters to kill! "Such a waste!" sighs a technician. It is true that in television studios, falcons are not yet a protected species... Gérard NEVES noviembre 1989
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