The use of so many daytime soap actors who just couldn't cut the mustard in primetime.

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sometimes you have to be a high-riding bitch, to survive... Sometimes, being a bitch, is all a woman has to hang onto.
That quote is from Vera Donavan who would have annihilated Alexis Colby.
I wish Alexis would have said that to Kirby then she takes her gun back and shoots Alexis in the face
Dominique should have been Kirby’s mother period
Kirby finally tracks her mother down and she just died, how much of a doormat can you make a character.
Keep Kirby for a few episodes of season 5 with her mom who is planning to give it hard back to Alexis.
Were the producers that weak and scared to have a white character with a black mother, in 1984???
Dallas would use characters from previous seasons for a few but Dynasty was so cheap they never did except for Sammy Jo
Yes Dominique shouldn’t have been pointless but she was on two series no less.


Christopher C was fine but not as Blake Carringtons brother, at that point in the series accents didn’t matter anymore- Fallon being British then Amanda American. His Australian daughter -American
Plus the guy was too young 20 years younger was stupid and a ham. Ben could have been a great character and very dangerous to all
 
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Were the producers that weak and scared to have a white character with a black mother, in 1984???
Apparently, it was Camille Marchetta who decided that Dominique would be Blake's sister. Kathleen Beller and Diahann Carroll were told that they would play mother and daughter.
However, Lloyd Bochner was also told that Cecil would not die in season 3 and he eventually died in the 3rd episode of season. So, who knows...
Christopher C was fine but not as Blake Carringtons brother, at that point in the series accents didn’t matter anymore- Fallon being British then Amanda American. His Australian daughter -American
Plus the guy was too young 20 years younger was stupid and a ham. Ben could have been a great character and very dangerous to all
I admit that Christopher Cazanove was too young but he was nonetheless a great addition to the cast. You're the only one here who seems to not appreciate him.
 

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Despite John’s blepharoplasty and face lift between seasons 1and 2 he still looked older than early 60’s and it was ridiculous to believe that guy Ben and he were brothers from the same mother
How was Ben such a bad character?
Because he lied in court ?
In his youth he made a bad decision with his other head?
I’m mean compared to a character that killed his son’s boyfriend, raped his wife, destroyed his ex employees new business, drove his ex wife away forever for having an affair?
Tried to take his son’s kid away from him?
Ben should have been a psychopath who Alexis brings back only to regret it big time
The one decent scene in season 7 that was done well when Ben receives a phone call from a woman who implies he tried to murder her but she’s still alive. Of course that scene went nowhere.
 
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Well, Forsythe and Cazenove died within days of each -- does that help?

How Ben acquired an Australian accent is a curious point, since he'd only lived there as an adult. I guess that can happen, but that much??

Kathleen Beller and Diahann Carroll were told that they would play mother and daughter.

So that may be where the story comes from? Well, I guess it could make sense, and gives the timing of Dominique's arrival a certain logic -- in pursuit of her daughter, especially after Joseph dies. Or Cecil dies. Or whomever the hell sired her.

I still want Season 10 to offer Blake's accusation to Alexis that she was the mother -- which she denies, of course, and we never get a concrete answer as to who Kirby's parents really were, mother or father.

No wonder the poor girl became a trigger-happy pathological liar. As would we all.

Perhaps they could have an ABFAB type flashback to a 1961 orgy where Kirby was conceived yet no one has ever been sure by whom -- or even why!

As I've proffered previously, the Kirby-Joseph story, though it seemed like something of a side plot, had to be revealed as being at the very nexus somehow of the series' backstory --- along with whatever went on in Moldavia circa 1954 where the Royal family and the Carringtons and the Colbys partied (where Cecil lost Alexis to Blake due to her Mother Minx's manipulations, Minx cleverly convinced that the lesser-rich Blake would make a more solid husband) and Constance (whom I call "Ruby," Miss Stanwyck's real name) begins the permanent enmity with Alexis and Minx, to say nothing of how Minx's and Tom's cavorting with nazis led to the whole The Collection acquisition and disposal, and Jason Colby not entirely innocent in the sordid morass; and then there's jealous Caress clueing in Blake to catch Roger and Alexis in bed in 1964, breaking the family apart once and for all.

Why should the creepy baby from multiple someones' loins be denied her birthright? Eventually. Regardless of whether Dominique, Alexis, Joseph, Cecil or Roger was/were the biological parent(s)...?

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The one decent scene in season 7 that was done well when Ben receives a phone call from a woman who implies he tried to murder her but she’s still alive. Of course that scene went nowhere.

I'd forgotten all about that! But if they did, then why can't I?

DYNASTY. I still see it as series television's biggest travestic tragedy. So much less than the sum of its parts.

Damn them all to hell (except the actors) for all eternity, forced to watch their own reruns endlessly (except for Seasons 1, 2 and 9, because they were actually good) as The Devil snickers in delight, poking them in the buttocks unrelentingly, and not in a way they'd like, with his scalding pitchfork.

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So that may be where the story comes from?
Kathleen Beller told that in an interview from 1984, just after she was let go from the show (which came as a big surprise for her).
The one decent scene in season 7 that was done well when Ben receives a phone call from a woman who implies he tried to murder her but she’s still alive. Of course that scene went nowhere.
That went nowhere because of the retooling. That woman was supposed to be one of Ben's ex wives according to the seasonal bible. A lot of (good) stories for season 7B were discarded and replaced by new (bad) stories during the retooling.
 
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Dominique's arrival a certain logic -- in pursuit of her daughter, especially after Joseph dies. Or Cecil dies. Or whomever the hell sired her.
There was so much they could have done besides Alexis lies then Blake goes broke then gets everything back. How many times did they repeat that.
I would have been down with Kirby staying for a while in season 5 with Dominique.
At least Dominique would have had something to do and those scenes at the end of 4 would have made some sense.
Why would Dominique arrive in Denver asking so many questions about Alexis if it was her birth rite she was after
What did Alexis have to do with wanting to be accepted as a Carrington in her middle age?
“If our paths did cross it’s up to you to remember me not the other way around “
Or something like that
What????
It would have made sense if she was a maid for the family when Fallon was a child
What? Fallon didn’t recognize the international singer whom she never met
Imagine if Dominique revealed that Joseph wasn’t Kirby’s father but Cecil was.A drunk Cecil raped one of Blake’s young maids and Joseph’s wife.
She ended up leaving after all that then Joseph marries the crazy one. It also would have made the plot that Joseph was so desperate to keep it all a secret that he would have killed to do that.
Kirby could have done serious damage to Alexis’ empire before leaving for Paris.
The problem was Alexis became untouchable and a bore
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Dynasty thought their audience was stupid.
We were so mentally challenged that we needed characters to carry around framed photos of ex husbands (Nicole)
Or lovers (Tracy) for someone to find to explain motives
Dominique’s arrival and stay was just as ridiculous
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I’m not sure what kind of hierarchy in acting credentials is assumed with the night v day soap distinction. However, just rewatching Season 5 and found the acting of Coleman and James to be transcendentally bad during their grief stricken reactions to Fallon’s ‘death.’ In fact, it would take a heart of stone not to laugh uproariously at the failed efforts of both to evince credible emotion. I had forgotten both how poor Coleman could be and how irritatingly bad tempered he was in almost every scene.
 

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John James WAS a total hunk (why I think they kept him) before he (a) got old (b) got fat and (c) became a MAGAt.
Coleman couldn’t act his way out of a paper bag

did they ever bother to explain the mystery of who they “buried” and why they were wearing Fallon’s engagement ring?
My theory is it was Fallon, gone for good
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John James WAS a total hunk (why I think they kept him) before he (a) got old (b) got fat and (c) became a MAGAt.
Coleman couldn’t act his way out of a paper bag

did they ever bother to explain the mystery of who they “buried” and why they were wearing Fallon’s engagement ring?
My theory is it was Fallon, gone for good
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James was only useful as PSM Fallon’s lackey
Ah yes! James is now in thrall to all kinds of AltRight nefarious characters. He even starred as Joe Biden alongside the UK’s self-styled enfant terrible of the ‘right,’ the execrable Laurence Fox.

Should have known that a man sporting eyebrows that were upside down would come to no good.
 

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John James played President Biden in the cheapo MY SON HUNTER movie.
They based a million dollar spin off on the shoulders of a bland actor in the lead.
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Despite John’s blepharoplasty and face lift between seasons 1and 2 he still looked older than early 60’s and it was ridiculous to believe that guy Ben and he were brothers from the same mother
How was Ben such a bad character?
Because he lied in court ?
In his youth he made a bad decision with his other head?
I’m mean compared to a character that killed his son’s boyfriend, raped his wife, destroyed his ex employees new business, drove his ex wife away forever for having an affair?
Tried to take his son’s kid away from him?
Ben should have been a psychopath who Alexis brings back only to regret it big time
The one decent scene in season 7 that was done well when Ben receives a phone call from a woman who implies he tried to murder her but she’s still alive. Of course that scene went nowhere.
- I had no problem that Ben was younger ...that happens. My sister is 16 younger than me!
Did he really had an australian accent? After all the actor was British! God thanks we German viewers hadn´t the american/british/australian accent thing!
You´re right compared to Blake Ben was the less evil brother. But like Alexis said during S6 "the image of Blake the holy father ... if the people know who he really is he will be one of the most hated persons our time..."
In the head of the writers and a lot viewers Blake was the good father, Francesca was another Krystle and Jeff was prince charming like Thomson said. But look under the surface ... in reality they were one of the most evil, selfish characters.

-after he blackmailed her Alexis did regret that she brought Ben to Denver and the original plans went even further: Ben blackmailed her to marry him! Damn re-tooling of S7!
 

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I think the issue with Ben being significantly younger is that it was never really adressed - there was 25 years between Forsythe and Cazenove!

If they had adressed it like Ben being a "change of life" baby and him growing up in relative wealth thanks to Blake having started earning big money where he provided for his family, versus Blake's poor upbringing you'd have a bigger conflict between them at hand. But it never really felt like they properly explored the dynamics between them and where it all went wrong, because well, Dynasty.
 

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I think the issue with Ben being significantly younger is that it was never really adressed - there was 25 years between Forsythe and Cazenove!

If they had adressed it like Ben being a "change of life" baby and him growing up in relative wealth thanks to Blake having started earning big money where he provided for his family, versus Blake's poor upbringing you'd have a bigger conflict between them at hand. But it never really felt like they properly explored the dynamics between them and where it all went wrong, because well, Dynasty.

Joan was only 12 years older than Gordon, BBG was less than 9 years older than Larry. And Victoria was at least 35 years older than Pam.

The age discrepancies don't always matter when it works. But some explanation might have been in order regarding the Ben-Blake sibling dynamic.

Like, which fire was it, anyway? Alexis couldn't have been an innocent, dewy teen only "twenty years" before she brought Ben back to Denver in Season 6.
 

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Ben’s casting wasn’t done properly
Sam Elliot and James Coburn were the first choices so how that guy Christopher got the part is beyond me.
All they had to say was the woman who died in the fire was Tom Carringtons second wife.
Blake’s stepmother and Ben’s mother.
Problem solved
Blake’s birth mother died when he was four anyway
It wouldn’t surprise me that it was John Forsyth’s vanity that wanted C.C. To play his brother. By season 6 it already was a couple years that the cast gave up and just cashed their paychecks quietly
Yes they kept saying twenty years ago in season 6 which was ridiculous
Those events would have been over thirty five
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Ben’s casting wasn’t done properly
Sam Elliot and James Coburn were the first choices so how that guy Christopher got the part is beyond me.
All they had to say was the woman who died in the fire was Tom Carringtons second wife.
Blake’s stepmother and Ben’s mother.
Problem solved
Blake’s birth mother died when he was four anyway
It wouldn’t surprise me that it was John Forsyth’s vanity that wanted C.C. To play his brother. By season 6 it already was a couple years that the cast gave up and just cashed their paychecks quietly
Yes they kept saying twenty years ago in season 6 which was ridiculous
Those events would have been over thirty five


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Yes, why wasn't "the fire" which forced them to move into that musty little old mansion with baby Adam the same fire that killed Blake's mother??

I mean, everybody knew that Joan wasn't 36 during Season 6.

Logically, Alexis should have been born in 1937 and turned 17 in Spring 1954 only days before marrying Blake; Adam should have been born in March 1955, the fire occurring that summer, and Adam kidnapped in September; Fallon is born early in 1956; Steven born June-ish 1957; Blake catches Alexis with Roger Grimes in June 1964, Alexis & Blake attempt a brief reconciliation in July -- just before Roger "disappears" -- and she's thrown out and "banished from this kingdom and my children forever"; divorced finalized, say, January of 1965.

Some of this, naturally, contradicts the show's non-canonical canon. But that can't be avoided.
 

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I think the issue with Ben being significantly younger is that it was never really adressed - there was 25 years between Forsythe and Cazenove!

If they had adressed it like Ben being a "change of life" baby and him growing up in relative wealth thanks to Blake having started earning big money where he provided for his family, versus Blake's poor upbringing you'd have a bigger conflict between them at hand. But it never really felt like they properly explored the dynamics between them and where it all went wrong, because well, Dynasty.
- like they never addresed that Dominique was black ...
Ben’s casting wasn’t done properly
Sam Elliot and James Coburn were the first choices so how that guy Christopher got the part is beyond me.
-I´m happy they did choose CC:

On this German tv show Joan & her 4.th husband drove in the studio with a BMW (later she got 2 as a present from the company) in November 1985
She talks about the casting search on Ben (Minute 10:10)
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* related to Blake Carrington

she also jokes about her children that came back with different faces (Fallon, Steven)

In the description of the video you can read all the trouble they had with Joan on this tv show backstage!
 
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Was Sarah Curtis really that bad?
I didn't get the impression that she was more than a plot-character, and she did what she had to do and then left. One of those storylines that actually got a bit of closure, unlike the Atkinsons who should have regretted ever getting involved with the Carringtons. To have them walk away with Blake and Alexis' grandson simply defies the definition of a "dynasty".
It doesn't matter, or it shouldn't matter what Adam's pretty little confused wife wants. That's a Carrington baby, dammit, and it deserved so much more than just a sappy lifetime movie drama.

Like it didn't matter what Monica or Adrienne wanted. Scott belonged to the Colby dynasty.
Sable understood that, THE COLBYS had become the better DYNASTY.
 

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Was Sarah Curtis really that bad?
I didn't get the impression that she was more than a plot-character, and she did what she had to do and then left. One of those storylines that actually got a bit of closure, unlike the Atkinsons who should have regretted ever getting involved with the Carringtons. To have them walk away with Blake and Alexis' grandson simply defies the definition of a "dynasty".
It doesn't matter, or it shouldn't matter what Adam's pretty little confused wife wants. That's a Carrington baby, dammit, and it deserved so much more than just a sappy lifetime movie drama.

Like it didn't matter what Monica or Adrienne wanted. Scott belonged to the Colby dynasty.
Sable understood that, THE COLBYS had become the better DYNASTY.

I think fans' pointed dislike of the Sarah Curtis character had more to do with the era in the series in which she occurred: late-Season 7 is generally viewed as the nadir of DYNASTY, and the Sarah Curtis role was just another example of yet another poorly-paced Pollockian plotline, where the good ideas for a story are barely mentioned and go undeveloped, while the mediocre ideas go on for half a season to, predictably, no avail.

It's kind of a metaphor for the program's overall creative problems, it's inability to focus (or re-focus on what worked back in, say, Season 2) while shifting focus neurotically onto some inconsequential issue or story to deflect attention away from what they should be doing (and, on some level, realize that they're not)...

They say the definition of neurosis is exactly that: creating elective problems to distract oneself from actual suffering.

And that's sorta DYNASTY. And why the Sarah Curtis plot is emblematic.

As many know, I want Sarah Curtis' suicide attempt to occur in those Carrington garages, prompting recollections in the family -- and the tabloid press -- about the starlet Blake briefly dated (just after he banished Alexis from Denver) who died of a drug-induced suicide in the guest house adjacent to the garages... Tongues wagged for years about "foul play". Turns out, Emily Fallmont did it, more or less accidentally, as she confesses to Blake in the SkyCrest lodge just beneath the Scorpio Peak summit, right before the avalanche sends everyone in Adam & Dana's wedding reception careening down the slopes to many of their deaths.

The avalanche shaking loose the real Fallon from the mountain lair she'd shared for three years with the Abominable Snow Monster (if they can get him). Fallon now safely returns to the mansion. With stories to tell. Thereupon, Randall Adams realizes she was never Fallon at all but instead Emerald Fallmont. But nobody holds it against her, because Emma Samms seems like such a nice girl.

It all gets very confusing, but everyone can laugh about it at a big house party until Adam says something nasty and ruins it all.

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So they were casting for Blake’s son but decided to make him his brother. 35?? John looked around 75 at that point WTF. It had to be some son he never knew existed which would have been interesting.
CC was young enough and blonde
Sean should have been Blake’s son he never knew existed.
That frosted wig she wore in season 6 did Joan no favors. Grandma.Joan was married at the time to a real life Peter Devilbis , only an ugly version. Gossip had it she was mesmerized by his big you know what. Stupid lady. Middle aged insecurities I guess.
Had Emma Samms not been shipped off to a new series she would have been fired. Again she sucked (bad writing blah blah) PSM had bad writing for 2 seasons and pulled it off
ES was one of the nails that got hammered into Dynasty’s coffin in season 6.
The actress that played Sarah was fine enough she just had the misfortune of getting cast in a shit late season. Also her story was attached to that troll doll who never should have existed , all of a sudden it was sure Krystle you can get pregnant . Season 1 not everyone was a glamour model type, by season 7 it was overdue that Lyndsay in a recast (plastic surgery) should have returned with revenge in her eyes, but not a whack job that they did to Matthew
 
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