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[Snarky Oracle!]

Interestingly enough, I share a birthday with Bill Clinton (August 19th.) I don't think we have much in common outside of that, though.

Physically, I sort of resemble Jack Black as he looks today (only balding, unfortunately.) And he was born on August 28.

Well, Bill Clinton and JD Vance are both Sun in Leo/Libra Rising (different moon signs). For all that's worth.

But Clinton shares the exact same Sun in Leo/Libra Rising/Moon in Taurus horoscopic combo with Miss Lewinsky -- and given that Libra Rising tends toward endless sex scandals and the fact that people who are astrologically similar to one another tend to create scandals with each other, too (it's like they're battling with their karmic selves in a mirror) the "Bill & Monica" hysteria seems inevitable.

The prez really was her soul mate.

 

[Frank Underwood]

Well, Bill Clinton and JD Vance are both Sun in Leo/Libra Rising (different moon signs). For all that's worth.

JD Vance was born a year after me, and his younger self reminds me of how I looked in my late teens and early 20's:



We also have an interest in politics, but I'm far too introverted to run for office. I could also never be as "flexible" as one needs to be in the political realm.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

JD Vance was born a year after me, and his younger self reminds me of how I looked in my late teens and early 20's:

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We also have an interest in politics, but I'm far too introverted to run for office. I could also never be as "flexible" as one needs to be in the political realm.

What's your birth time?

 

[Frank Underwood]

What's your birth time?

10:32 AM.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

10:32 AM.

Haaaaa! You got it --- that's it!! You're Sun in Leo/Libra Rising as well!! (With different moon signs)

Very, very good!

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

If you were to run a (good) Astro101 class, you'd start with Rising sign (AKA: ascendant) because it tends to be the catalyst of the individual's overall horoscopic make-up. Rising sign as very physical and very attitudinal (but, based on birth time, the data is very volatile and subject to change -- and not always from incorrect to correct).

But laymen see it. They see it all the time in a Separated-At-Birth kind of way. They just don't know what is.

There have been numerous times when friends have asked me it this-or-that celebrity had the same rising sign as someone we knew, and more-often-than-not, they did.

Even my father (a very educated fellow with a grasp of math, science and history) who seemingly had no interest in the topic, shocked me one day when he asked me if Humphrey Bogart and Senator Bob Dole had the same Rising sign. After picking my jaw up off of the floor, I was able to say, "Yes, Dad -- they both have Taurus Rising." (Not that Bogart and Dole look that much alike, but they have that creepy voice and crypt-keeper quality).**

I'm sure Dad didn't remember the conversation, or my answer, even five minutes later. But, who knows....?

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

(Not that Bogart and Dole look that much alike, but they have that creepy voice and crypt-keeper quality).**

**No, not all Taurus Risings have that creepy voice and crypt-keeper quality enjoyed by Bogart and Dole (although Bogart's buddy, Peter Lorre, certainly did). So, no offense to the Taurus Risings out there... Really... So don't come for me (as Taurus Rising is overly represented in the Serial Killer Documentary thread). I already have one semi-stalking me by phone whom I haven't seen in years (although he's very sweet, so it's fine).

Every Rising Sign has a range of looks (obviously, every 1 in 12 people don't look alike). On the other end of Taurus Rising, they can also be incredibly "sexy" in a very specific, semi-Alpha-Male way. There is often a cult-like thing about Taurus Rising's "appeal" (as evidenced by the very Jared Leto-centric theme of the earlier pages in this very thread). Leto has had "sexy Jesus" ascribed to him (but, on the darker end, so has Manson). So the Sun/Moon pairing matters a lot.... (Brendan "George of the Jungle" Fraser has a Taurus Rising, and I'd be flabbergasted if Adrian Grenier didn't).

A lot of models, male and female, have had Taurus Rising. Some have a kind of stark beauty about them (think of a young Mia Farrow) and even though most Rising Signs don't display the physical aspects of their sky animals (for example, Pisces Risings don't look like fish, Cancer Risings don't look like crabs, and God knows Virgo Risings are rarely virgins), Taurus Risings often have a bullish flared-nostril thing going on... Seriously... Many of them do. (Which is why I also tend to assume that Luigi Mangione, the CEO-assassinator, has a Taurus Rising --- his cult-like following, his looks, his flared nostrils, and what he did!... But I haven't found his birth time data yet).

But I've been guessing Rising signs, often correctly, going back to my teens (which is a long, long time ago).

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

Archetypal Scorpio Rising performances (for women):

Bette Davis in THE LETTER (1940)
Judith Anderson in REBECCA (1940)
Gloria Swanson in SUNSET BLVD. (1950)
Joan Crawford in QUEEN BEE (1955)
Katharine Hepburn in SUDDENLY, LAST SUMMER (1959)
Mary Astor in RETURN TO PEYTON PLACE (1961)
Miriam Hopkins in THE CHASE (1965)

For men:
WW2, the war on Gaza, most other wars.... Stalin, Bibi, Mussolini, Castro, Hitler (not right-next-door "Libra Rising" suggested by some charts), Goering, Putin, Napolean, the list goes on and on for homicidal dictators. (Even Reagan & Thatcher, for godssake!)

Not that all Scorpio Risings are evil, mind you. But it does seem to be the star, if the dark star, of the zodiac.

Scorpio Risings are often great cooks, writers, directors, film stars, and often fly effortlessly to managerial positions (regardless of whether or not they even want them!). And the writers have the capacity to comment on the human condition more insightfully and articulately than anyone else (from Dickens to Orwell) -- but we shouldn't be shocked if, in practice, they wind up on the other side of the fence.

But Scorpio Rising is sooooo manipulative, that it can border on sociopathy for many of them. And seeming warm and considerate is part of it.

Which is why Scorpio Risings either get along great (the professional courtesy of sharks) or hate each other unrelentingly.

On one hand, Scorpio Rising is terribly human -- but not always in good ways: the Knowledge of Good & Evil (that fruit in Eden) exists in all people (which distinguish people from God's other creatures) but shrewdly intelligent Scorpio Rising carries this knowledge more consciously than other people, thus allowing them to make the correct (or incorrect) moral choice more precisely.

And let's just say they don't always make the right one.

They can enhance the world with their gifts immeasurably, but they can also lay waste to nations.

But it often takes a comparatively good one to expose a bad one (Christina versus Joan, for example).

I once had an office job where I was targeted by a coven of Scorpio Risings -- clever and funny, all of them actually liked me (really, they did) in some strange fashion, but they were out to get me -- and to get me in a serious way. Only Jesus (and The Devil) knows what went into my personnel file. They were obsessed with me -- for whatever reason -- and turned me into the toilet of the building (with the worst gossip you can create about somebody) and they were out to get me fired (if not arrested). Projecting all of their sins onto me with an undiluted focus.

As a non-Scorpio Rising myself, I was hapless to defend myself.

I was told to take it as a compliment, but it involved very few compliments. (Even my "friends" there, knowing full well I was being targeted, turned on me fully).

But it's important to note that the only reason I survived it at all was because of two supervisors and a legal department head -- all three of whom were also Scorpio Rising -- who did what they could, of their own volition, to protect me... It took Scorpio Risings (one of whom died in the process) to figure out how to combat other Scorpio Risings.

"People respect the strong, and the strong have to win. The strong can be evil, or they can be good, but you cannot lose. If you lose, nobody will make alliances with you, nobody will make peace with you." – Benjamin Netanyahu

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

Bill Clinton and JD Vance are both Sun in Leo/Libra Rising (different moon signs).

Sun in Leo/Libra Rising do have a brain for politics (e.g., Bill Clinton, JD Vance). But Libra Rising is the horoscopic position most likely to be assassinated as a politician.

Every Democratic president in America of the twentieth century (except for evil Lyndon Johnson) were Libra Rising -- and only two of them, McKinley and JFK were assassinated (I think that's a high ratio, frankly). There was an elaborate scheme to murder FDR, a Libra Rising, in 1934 (i.e., "The Business Plot") which was outed by the general whom the plotters commissioned to oversee it --- a planned crime which would lead semi-indirectly to what happened in Dealey Plaza some 30 years later involving some of the same sponsors.

Why were so many Libra Rising politicians assassinated throughout history, in many countries? Because Libra Risings are usually, at their core, populists. And while they do what is 'necessary' politically to get where they need to go, once in a significant position of power, they then shift left to fix things for the working classes --- so the establishment turns on them, and tries to kill them. (FDR and JFK, two of the wealthiest presidents ever, were considered "traitors to their class" by the elites).

Frankly, Libra Rising are the most famous murder victims of the zodiac (with Aries Rising coming in second). There are just loads of them -- and they're usually at the center of superlative murder mysteries. (As I stated before, Natalie Wood was a Sun in Cancer/Libra Rising/Moon in Taurus just like the Lindbergh baby).

^^^

I once thought this photo was of Elizabeth Taylor in the '70s, but it's actually Natalie Wood. (Both Libra Risings, although recent charts have shifted Taylor's chart to wrongly assert Sagittarius Rising, based on an apocryphal story that on the GIANT set Taylor/Hudson/Dean all three discussed being born "at 2 AM" -- which was only true for Hudson)... When Vivien Leigh left ELEPHANT WALK and was replaced by Taylor, they didn't even need to re-shoot the master-shots. (Both Libra Risings; despite stories of Leigh being born "at sunset" she was actually born at 3:30 AM).

Vocally, the Libra Rising ladies have that odd trill. And most celebs 'known' for their piercing blue eyes are Libra Risings. (Brown-eyed stars with Libra Rising, like Natalie Wood, have a doe-like chocolate iris thing goin' on).

Libra Rising is also the key zodiacal position of the dapper leading man (the list is endless). So their positions as comparatively-benign world leaders shouldn't be a surprise, nor the fact that they're so often knocked-off by the shrouded men in power.

Conversely, Libra Risings commit precious few murders (unless it's a sex thing, so they sometimes need to rein it in a bit).

The key point here, @Frank Underwood is: don't get murdered.

(And I would look very carefully at the car crash of Anne Heche).

 

[Frank Underwood]

The key point here, @Frank Underwood is: don't get murdered.

There haven't been any attempts on my life (that I know of,) but I'll certainly watch my back.

Hopefully the deep state doesn't follow Soapchat, or we might both end up on a list.

(And I would look very carefully at the car crash of Anne Heche).

My dad was a fan of Anne Heche (he loved Another World.) She passed away 3 months to the day after he did.

I'm not sure what it means (if anything,) but I know he would have been sad to see her die in such a tragic way.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

Hopefully the deep state doesn't follow Soapchat, or we might both end up on a list.

I just tend to assume....

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

^^^

I once thought this photo was of Elizabeth Taylor in the '70s, but it's actually Natalie Wood. (Both Libra Risings, although recent charts have shifted Taylor's chart to wrongly assert Sagittarius Rising, based on an apocryphal story that on the GIANT set Taylor/Hudson/Dean all three discussed being born "at 2 AM" -- which was only true for Hudson)... When Vivien Leigh left ELEPHANT WALK and was replaced by Taylor, they didn't even need to re-shoot the master-shots. (Both Libra Risings; despite stories of Leigh being born "at sunset" she was actually born at 3:30 AM).

Vocally, the Libra Rising ladies have that odd trill. And most celebs 'known' for their piercing blue eyes are Libra Risings. (Brown-eyed stars with Libra Rising, like Natalie Wood, have a doe-like chocolate iris thing goin' on).

I'm watching THE GREAT RACE (1966) and gorgeous Natalie Wood is delivering a feministic speech to Tony Curtis exactly as Elizabeth Taylor would (that Libra Rising vocal trill!).

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

The Father of Rock & Roll, the King of Rock & Roll, and the Prince of Rock & Roll are all three (Chuck Berry, Elvis and Prince) Scorpio Rising/Moon in Pisces (different Sun signs):

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

I've delayed making this post, but.... as some of you've read me say in certain above-posts, when people are horoscopically similar, they can wind up in superlative scandal with one another (Bill & Monica, Bette & Joan, etc...). It even works in fiction ('WSJR?").

So, here goes...

Charlie Kirk and Bejamin 'Bibi' Netanyahu both were Sun in Libra/Moon in Libra --- only Bibi has the classical dictator ascendant (Scorpio Rising) while Kirk's rising sign is yet to be determined. But given numerous issues, I really wonder if Kirk might have Libra Rising, given Libra Risings' propensity to get assassinated. Kirk's intelligence, alpha male articulation -- everyone said he was headed for the presidency one day -- and his whoring himself to get to a certain level of prominence, and then suddenly reclaiming his morality (i.e., he was rebelling against Bibi behind the scenes) leading the establishment to turn on Kirk, and kill him... Those are classic Libra Rising patterns (as I've mentioned before on this very page a few months ago).

If so, Kirk's assassination is showing signs of being almost biblical. (We'll never know for sure who pulled the trigger).

I'll chime in later if I obtain Kirk's birthtime (which determines Rising sign).

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

When Warren Beatty was casting BONNIE & CLYDE, he initially thought than then-unknown Faye Dunaway was Catherine Deneuve. And then, a teenaged Morgan Fairchild became Dunaway's double on B&C.

All three women are Virgo Rising/Moon in Leo (with different sun signs). What makes Fairchild nicer? (And she is). Sun in Aquarius combines with Moon in Leo in a nicer way, for whatever reason.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

Well, Bill Clinton and JD Vance are both Sun in Leo/Libra Rising (different moon signs). For all that's worth.

But Clinton shares the exact same Sun in Leo/Libra Rising/Moon in Taurus horoscopic combo with Miss Lewinsky -- and given that Libra Rising tends toward endless sex scandals and the fact that people who are astrologically similar to one another tend to create scandals with each other, too (it's like they're battling with their karmic selves in a mirror) the "Bill & Monica" hysteria seems inevitable.

The prez really was her soul mate.

Like Bill and Monica after them, Clint Eastwood and Sondra Locke had an eventually-disastrous relationship, drawn together --- and ultimately divided by -- their similarities. And their break up is still talked about today...

Eastwood and Locke both are Sun in Gemini/Scorpio Rising/Moon in Leo. It's as if people just can't live with themselves despite being drawn to themselves as well.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

Horoscopic echoes from the Past:

I was thinking recently about a guy I knew from Third Grade (which has been a while) and his laid-back but magisterial authority over himself, once asserting good-naturedly, "I take pride in my pencil..." at age 8. That, and the slightly simian quality to the lower part of his face, made me guess, more than half-a-century later, that he had to have had a Moon in Capricorn.

He kind of had a Don Grady (from MY THREE SONS) quality about him -- both in look and demeanor. So I looked Freddy up on the Internet to find his birthday and, because he had a very unique last name, I found him (his data -- and, no, I didn't call) immediately and, sure enough, he has a Moon in Capricorn. (So did Don Grady).

Grady, clearly, not 8 years old:

But layman see it. All the time -- but usually as it pertains to Rising Sign (which is based on birth time). Friends have asked me before if a mutual acquaintance has had the same Rising sign as a particular celebrity. And more often than not, they do... A former workmate asked me if one of our coworkers had Kevin Spacey's Rising sign (Leo Rising) and if another coworker had Kevin Bacon's Rising sign (Sagittarius Rising). And they both did.

Not that they looked all that much like the two Kevins respectively, but the demeanor was what tells it.