This Is Joan Collins - BBC Documentary

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Can I ask a really obscure question?

I have a memory from many many years ago of Joan being on stage at an awards ceremony in either London or the USA. She received bad news, I think about her daughter and she rushed off stage. Was this when her daughter Katy had that accident or was it something to do with Tara?
 

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I watched it.

It was great. Loved seeing Joan at the height of her popularity. :)
 

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Can I ask a really obscure question?

I have a memory from many many years ago of Joan being on stage at an awards ceremony in either London or the USA. She received bad news, I think about her daughter and she rushed off stage. Was this when her daughter Katy had that accident or was it something to do with Tara?
I'm not sure. In the programme, she mentions that she was in France when Katy had her accident back in the UK.
I watched it.

It was great. Loved seeing Joan at the height of her popularity. :)
It was. As I said, a lot of the story has been told before but to see it laid out like that with Joan's input, you really do appreciate how up and down her career was before the Stud / Dynasty era.
 

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I'm not sure. In the programme, she mentions that she was in France when Katy had her accident back in the UK.

It was. As I said, a lot of the story has been told before but to see it laid out like that with Joan's input, you really do appreciate how up and down her career was before the Stud / Dynasty era.

It was interesting that she said John Forsythe didn't speak to her for a year at the awards ceremony when the presenter of the award made a beeline for her rather than John.

John after all was only human so I guess he was a bit jealous of her!

I won't speak ill of John as I love him as Blake Carrington. :)
 

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I thought it was great and would love it and Lady Boss, the Jackie documentary to be released on DVD. They would be a great addition to my collection. I think a lot of people forget that Joan was one of the most famous women of the 1980s. Perhaps even the most photographed woman of that decade. At the height of her powers bigger than Madonna or Lady Diana. The impact she must have had on women then looking as she did at 49/50 can't be overlooked. At that time that was generally seen as old. Women were deemed over the hill. If you look at the sitcom The Golden girls, which was airing at the same time as DYNASTY those women were supposedly in their early 50s when the show started and were supposed to be old ladies. Rue McClanahan is a year younger than Joan Collins, Rue looked amazing on The Golden Girls, I have to say but is seen as older. The other ladies were all around the same age, about 9 years older than Joan in real life and even though Bea Arthur and Betty White were playing younger than they were, there characters were still old ladies compared to Alexis.

Joan and Alexis would have an impact and influence on women and girls back then that's probably mostly forgotten now. If you watch any of these catty reality shows now the woman are all wannabe Alexis clones. Young looking for their age, super glam, super groomed bitches with money. Granted most of them don't run an empire but still. Joan and to an extent Linda and Diahann showed that women in their 40s and over still had a lot to offer in terms of talent and beauty. They didn't have to play grey haired mothers and grandmas or become character actresses to get work.

It's really quite remarkable what she did and how she managed to do it. People deride her for being a bad actress all the time but really she was probably the most famous television actress of the 1980s. On more covers than any other and very much popular and in demand. I can't think of another serious contender for that title. Not even Victoria Principal at the height of her popularity.
 
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She has had an interesting life, I wonder what would gave happened if Dynasty had not come along.

I thought how lucky she was to have Dynasty come along right out of the blue, at a time when she was really struggling.
But on the other hand she comes across as someone who was always going to be successful. Her natural self confidence seems to have carried her along in life, through all the ups and downs. I think very successful people like her can make their own luck, by not being afraid to take risks. Richard Branson is another example, you read in their biographies how easily they seem to pick themselves up again after failures, and never seem to lose their self belief.
 
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I would love to see this documentary on Joan Collins. :)
But no I haven't seen it. I don't know if we even have BBC anymore. We used to have it on cable before.

I think @Alexis raises some interesting points of how JC helped change the perception of "what's an older woman" and make 50 seem younger. I think you are right about that. I never realized the ladies on "Golden Girls" were only a decade older than Joan. They do seem a lot older.

However as for who was the most photographed woman of the decade. I'd still say that title belongs to Princess Diana.

Also I think the coverage of Joan was bigger in the UK since she was from England. Here in Sweden they didn't write as much about her in the press since they stopped broadcasting Dynasty in favor of Dallas so the whole show wasn't broadcast over here until in the early 1990s. So although Dynasty is a popular show here too Dallas has always been more popular.
 
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I think @Alexis raises some interesting points of how JC helped change the perception of "what's an older woman" and make 50 seem younger. I think you are right about that. I never realized the ladies on "Golden Girls" were only a decade older than Joan. They do seem a lot older.
They were 9 years older than Joan in real life, but playing women around the same age as Joan. Rose and Dorothy are supposed to be around 53 in 1985 when the show started I think. Joan was around that age at that time, but was also playing slightly younger than she was in real life.
 

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Also I think the coverage of Joan was bigger in the UK since she was from England. Here in Sweden they didn't write as much about her in the press since they stopped broadcasting Dynasty in favor of Dallas so the whole show wasn't broadcast over here until in the early 1990s. So although Dynasty is a popular show here too Dallas has always been more popular.
Dynasty and Dallas would have been huge globally but of course there would have been regions where one was more popular than the other or where one wasn't shown. But Dynasty and Alexis were massive almost everywhere.
 

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I thought how lucky she was to have Dynasty come along right out of the blue
The same could be said for Larry Hagman and other popular soap stars but in Joan's case there's this weird sense of destiny. The character kind of wrote itself from the very beginning (and in hindsight, even before that) while JR had to grow into the phenomenon he'd become.
Dynasty and Joan Collins was a great marriage but after the honeymoon it all boils down to maintenance and DYNASTY often failed in that regard.
Spelling's DYNASTY branch became bigger and bigger but the soap itself became weaker and that already started in season 4.
Based on the idea of a trilogy narrative (Blake/Alexis/Adam) Dynasty's fourth season was going to be its most challenging one anyway.

As for Joan's talent or lack thereof, it's the actor's job to play it the best he/she can but at the same time it's the writer's and director's job to bring out the best (or best-worst) in their cast members.
And then there's the men in the boardroom who tell the writers and directors how to run "their" show. And the men in the boardroom have to listen to their advertisers.
 

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It was interesting that she said John Forsythe didn't speak to her for a year at the awards ceremony when the presenter of the award made a beeline for her rather than John.

John after all was only human so I guess he was a bit jealous of her!

I won't speak ill of John as I love him as Blake Carrington. :)
- maybe they didn´t talk for some days or weeks but not a whole year .... Joan likes to dramatize things.
and that´s why Joan had a double for the cliffhanger ...
 

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There's always something endearingly rinkydink about Joan which kind of humanizes her (whether that's her intention or not). The pretentions, ambitions -- and wardrobe -- of Alexis; she doesn't quite pull it off, yet pulls it off well enough to still be Joan Collins.

As I've said before, there's something very high-school -- not even collegiate, but high-school -- drama club about Joan.

And that quality probably informed Alexis herself: someone smirkily over-dressed who's supposedly just flown in from The Far East (when she'd really just disappeared into the private area in the back of her apartment in order to be alone for a few days before emerging again in a fabulous frock and an attitude and questionable references).

It's just all so silly. But it's what we expect.

Michael Nader once said of Joan, "She really is Norma Desmond."

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