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There seems to be an inconsistency thru the series about what Jock did. I tend to think there was some in-between going on.
I wondered if the other possibility was that Digger was JR's father
Was Bobby Self-Centered, Naive Or Both?
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I wondered if the other possibility was that Digger was JR's father
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All three of the CBS shows had that. Chase and Mack on the other two were lthe Bobby’s of their shows.
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I would make the argument that the entire premise of the show was based on Pam not being self-centered enough. Which is in large part, why the show was nothing but shambles and without the necessary cohesion of characters when she was written out after Victoria's departure.
What self-centered woman, repeatedly moves into her husband's childhood home with...not only her mother/father in-law but also with a vile brother-in-law, sister-in-law and spoiled niece???? The irony is that Pam gets called self-centered when she did the smart thing and left Southfork in the hopes that Bobby would finally leave with her like a grownup.
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they should have had a crossover with Mack and Bobby having a shouting match followed by a brawl ending in a draw and them becoming buddies and having beers together
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Oh, those endlessly indignant Pisces dudes.... Bobby, Mack, Ray, Adam & StevenNumber 2, Dex Dexter ... it's just exhausting!!
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Sometimes context matters. I think JR once referred to Bobby as everybody's All American
Another time Jr said something like Bobby's a good fellow, just sees things in black and white sometimes
Given that Bobby was handsome, athletic, intelligent, wealthy and successful, he was about as
reasonably fair-minded as someone in that position could be. Yes his relationships with women were
sometimes one sided, but again, he was probably better than others in his situation.
Yes he could be self-centered and as ruthless as JR when he had to (Ie Walt Driscoll), even hot-headed (which I never liked about him, although given what he was surrounded with...)
but at least he seemed to have some self-awareness
about it. He did try to befriend Cliff, at least at the beginning of the series, and even tried to be peacemaker at times.
He was unfairly blamed for Rebecca's fate, and he had no prior knowledge of JR and Calhoun
(what was he supposed to do when he learned? The damage was done no matter what he did)
He had every right to compete for Ewing Oil, as per Jock's will.
On balance, Bobby was basically a good man who had flaws, probably magnified by being a Ewing
Another time Jr said something like Bobby's a good fellow, just sees things in black and white sometimes
Given that Bobby was handsome, athletic, intelligent, wealthy and successful, he was about as
reasonably fair-minded as someone in that position could be. Yes his relationships with women were
sometimes one sided, but again, he was probably better than others in his situation.
Yes he could be self-centered and as ruthless as JR when he had to (Ie Walt Driscoll), even hot-headed (which I never liked about him, although given what he was surrounded with...)
but at least he seemed to have some self-awareness
about it. He did try to befriend Cliff, at least at the beginning of the series, and even tried to be peacemaker at times.
He was unfairly blamed for Rebecca's fate, and he had no prior knowledge of JR and Calhoun
(what was he supposed to do when he learned? The damage was done no matter what he did)
He had every right to compete for Ewing Oil, as per Jock's will.
On balance, Bobby was basically a good man who had flaws, probably magnified by being a Ewing
I think the Bobby we meet in the mini-series and the Bobby we see 30 years later in the TNT version are two very different characters. I'd say they were both self-centered and entitled though. But the young Bobby was a bit naive. He was acting like a spoiled brat at times. But his boyish charm made up for it and he was mostly a good guy. The old Bobby was more cynical and bitter. I guess losing his wives and also not being able to raise his son did that to him. Life has a tendency to change people. It's pretty amazing that we get to follow the same characters for such a long period of time. We got to see them evolve with time.
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I think sometimes Bobby is evaluated a little too harshly.
Yes he was hot-headed, I did not care for it.
Self-centered? To some extent, but when compared to the other Ewings, Cliff and even Pam, not even close.
Remember this about Pam. When JR and Bobby were presumed missing, Sue Ellen said something to her
like 'can you go back to being Miss Barnes?' Pam didn't exactly deny it.
When Pam accused Garnet McGee of using Ray and then Upgrading,
GM had a legitimate point when pointing out that Pam did the same.
Pam's conversation with Julie Grey was interesting - that Julie could have been Mrs JR Ewing.
Wish that had been more developed.
Problem is that Pam was saying that as Mrs Bobby Ewing - it sounds a little preachy,
This is not a case where a woman enters a working class home of the husband's family and
has to do an inordinate amount of chores. The Ewings were a wealthy powerful family and Pam didn't have to lift a finger.
Bobby had a right to expect understanding from Pam, even if she disagreed with him, about Jock's will.
When a couple disagrees they should talk, not have one spouse egg on a situation that leads to trying to have his Father declared incompetent.
Leading any large business is not easy, and sometimes there needs to be difficult decisions and choices
with no good alternative that makes everyone happy
Not that Pam would know - she never made an entrepreneurial cent, and JR rightly pointed out
her accumulation of unearned income
I would even say that the writing seemed a little unsympathetic to Pam, in some regards
JR telling her that what was she doing in the south of France with Mark Graison -Holding Hands?
JR had a point (Yes I know Mark followed her but she didn't exactly discourage him too strongly
after leaving SF)
Not even saying that Pam had bad motives, she often had good ones, but her judgement seemed a bit arbitrary
It could not be easy living with the Ewings when there was the history of the feud,
and being caught in the middle, especially when Cliff was at odds with the Ewings
Of course there had to be some catalyst for a breakup, that is just the writing
Pam even had a good point when she told JR that she could help lessen the feud (Season 10)
but maybe that was extremely difficult at best
Rebecca's fate was not Bobby's fault. Maybe no one was at fault, but if I had to name one person,
it would be Cliff . Katherine was a baddie, but she had a point when chastising Cliff about Rebecca interceding for him
as part of an endless losing war with the Ewings.
Bobby was basically a good man with flaws. JR once said something like 'Bobby is a good man, just sees things as too black and white. Maybe that is the best description, especially when compared to the other characters,
Yes he was hot-headed, I did not care for it.
Self-centered? To some extent, but when compared to the other Ewings, Cliff and even Pam, not even close.
Remember this about Pam. When JR and Bobby were presumed missing, Sue Ellen said something to her
like 'can you go back to being Miss Barnes?' Pam didn't exactly deny it.
When Pam accused Garnet McGee of using Ray and then Upgrading,
GM had a legitimate point when pointing out that Pam did the same.
Pam's conversation with Julie Grey was interesting - that Julie could have been Mrs JR Ewing.
Wish that had been more developed.
Problem is that Pam was saying that as Mrs Bobby Ewing - it sounds a little preachy,
This is not a case where a woman enters a working class home of the husband's family and
has to do an inordinate amount of chores. The Ewings were a wealthy powerful family and Pam didn't have to lift a finger.
Bobby had a right to expect understanding from Pam, even if she disagreed with him, about Jock's will.
When a couple disagrees they should talk, not have one spouse egg on a situation that leads to trying to have his Father declared incompetent.
Leading any large business is not easy, and sometimes there needs to be difficult decisions and choices
with no good alternative that makes everyone happy
Not that Pam would know - she never made an entrepreneurial cent, and JR rightly pointed out
her accumulation of unearned income
I would even say that the writing seemed a little unsympathetic to Pam, in some regards
JR telling her that what was she doing in the south of France with Mark Graison -Holding Hands?
JR had a point (Yes I know Mark followed her but she didn't exactly discourage him too strongly
after leaving SF)
Not even saying that Pam had bad motives, she often had good ones, but her judgement seemed a bit arbitrary
It could not be easy living with the Ewings when there was the history of the feud,
and being caught in the middle, especially when Cliff was at odds with the Ewings
Of course there had to be some catalyst for a breakup, that is just the writing
Pam even had a good point when she told JR that she could help lessen the feud (Season 10)
but maybe that was extremely difficult at best
Rebecca's fate was not Bobby's fault. Maybe no one was at fault, but if I had to name one person,
it would be Cliff . Katherine was a baddie, but she had a point when chastising Cliff about Rebecca interceding for him
as part of an endless losing war with the Ewings.
Bobby was basically a good man with flaws. JR once said something like 'Bobby is a good man, just sees things as too black and white. Maybe that is the best description, especially when compared to the other characters,
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