Sons & Daughters Watching/rewatching/discussing The Aussie Hit Show

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Thanks very much Mel :) it kinda shows just how popular it was in Australia (like I said that was just some of what they were on). I’m glad you enjoyed them

It's really good to get a sense of that popularity. As you probably know, in the UK it was shown on weekday afternoons, right before children's programming and I barely recall any coverage at all in the media.

Although we did get this...


Strangely, the series had already ended in Australia but the interview gives the impression they're still filming it.




I was thinking apart from one in the last episode ever, and one in 1986 I don’t recall any main character in SAD, whose face appeared on the opening sequence to ever be killed off.

I hadn't thought of it before, but you're right. Quite surprising when you think of how fast moving the series was.

Including the final episode can think of four opening title characters who were killed off, although one was offscreen and some time after their last episode.
 

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Oh great thanks for that interview. I hadn’t seen that one before :)

Oh gosh my memory is slipping. Now I have to figure who the other two are lol

Yes Sons and Daughters was very popular in the UK but I don’t recall any UK mag covers?

Such a good show. A really solid cast who got in really well together and the acting (certainly by the current leads) is so down to earth and natural

Yes Brett Climo did do very well for himself. He had a good stint in ACP aswell. Still acting now, he was on NZ TV Guide cover a few weeks ago. He was really good on S&D, I remember him fondly on the show
 

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Oh great thanks for that interview. I hadn’t seen that one before :)

Anytime. I only stumbled upon it again very recently myself.


Oh gosh my memory is slipping. Now I have to figure who the other two are lol

You'll kick yourself when you work it out. ;)


Yes Sons and Daughters was very popular in the UK but I don’t recall any UK mag covers?

Not that I can remember. One of the big problems is that the channel on which it aired was split up into perhaps a dozen different independent regions. Each region aired the series at its own pace, with sometimes years' worth of differences between the episodes in different areas. So it would have been really difficult to run a feature on the series in TV magazines.

But I'm sure Rowena Wallace must have appeared on a UK cover somewhere at some point during the Eighties. Probably something like Woman's Own magazine.


he was on NZ TV Guide cover a few weeks ago.

Oh great. Do you know what that in connection with?
 

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I thought I’d share a few magazine covers from my collection
Wow, what a treat! Thanks! :hats:I'll have a look at all the details at a later time, it'll be nice to see what else was "big" in Australia at that time.
So do I take it you didn't know this was coming, Willie. Or had you just forgotten?
Completely forgotten, like so many other characters and storylines.
I remember irrelevant trivia like Caroline Morell's first scene when she does something with her hair or a wig, it's sort of a transformation scene.
Oh but wait a minute, maybe it wasn't irrelevant?
And then there was her spooky dream about Amanda, who looks like she just crawled out of her grave.
did you notice a future Dynasty regular attended the wedding?
Ha, yes, and now I like him even more. It's very typical of S&D to give such a minor character proper attention and screentime.
She's (Charlie) actually not a very nice person at all.
I agree, she's not. Those odd moments when she drops the "darling" act and her voice becomes stone-cold are wonderful. You don't want her as your enemy.
Although we did get this...
Gordon Blain, oops-cringe. I think the interviewer accidentally exposed herself as being a fan.
It's frustrating that there's so little of the S&D actors on YouTube, I've already been looking for Leila Hayes videos but there's only a snippet of a movie and some footage of a fundraising concert (Abba songs, naturally).
It's really good to get a sense of that popularity
Pat McDonald even ended up in a cameo role in the Belgian movie Gaston En Leo In Hong Kong.
Personally, I think one of the main reasons of the show's success was that - despite the sometimes painfully simple plotting - the viewers could see the characters living it.
It's things like attention to detail in the dialogue**, and the fact that the characters are allowed to protest against the insanity of it all.
Which reminds me of the main point of the "What Went Wrong With Dynasty" discussion. It was never the outrageous plotlines - there's very little a soap writer can't get away with - but when the show itselfs seems to support the various branding commercials (stand still and look beautiful) instead of vice versa, then there isn't enough imagination in the world to make me believe it.

**there was a little error in Gordon and Rob's conversation about Brian. Rob says "so he wasn't faking his death".
It almost sounded as if it were common practice, only a soap character who knows he's in a soap would say something like that.
 

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Completely forgotten, like so many other characters and storylines.

Great, isn't it? It's the same for me and it's allowed the series to surprise me all over again. I went in looking forward to the things I could remember and it turns out the best stuff had somehow been wiped from my brain's hard drive. A lot has to do with where I'm viewing it from. What appeals to me in a series is vastly different today compared with when I first watched aged thirteen or fourteen.


I remember irrelevant trivia like Caroline Morell's first scene when she does something with her hair or a wig, it's sort of a transformation scene.

Nope. Even having read your post I still can't remember that.


It's very typical of S&D to give such a minor character proper attention and screentime.

Handy too, as it turns out. You never know when that bit player is going to go on to bigger things.

They can prove quite timely. Like the time Craig McLachlan's chest got a starring role in a S&D cliffhanger in my TV region at the same time as he was at the height of his Neighbours fame on another channel. And probably also having a go at a rock career in real life.

On a related note, I recall one of The Young Doctors compilation DVDs was publicised heavily on an appearance from Russell Crowe, even though it's quite a small role and he's around eight years old.


I agree, she's not. Those odd moments when she drops the "darling" act and her voice becomes stone-cold are wonderful. You don't want her as your enemy.

Indeed. I've just been watching her flip from panicking in case the champagne being served is that ghastly domestic stuff to chewing someone out with a shrewd observation about a manipulation of theirs. Fascinating.


It's frustrating that there's so little of the S&D actors on YouTube

Agreed.


Personally, I think one of the main reasons of the show's success was that - despite the sometimes painfully simple plotting - the viewers could see the characters living it.
It's things like attention to detail in the dialogue**, and the fact that the characters are allowed to protest against the insanity of it all.

Yes, it gives the series a grounding. And as long as it has that it can be forgiven a lot. I've had a few issues with some plot driven stuff in my latest episodes, and one new character in particular isn't working for me. But there's gold to be mined even so.


there's very little a soap writer can't get away with - but when the show itselfs seems to support the various branding commercials (stand still and look beautiful) instead of vice versa, then there isn't enough imagination in the world to make me believe it.

Amen to that.


there was a little error in Gordon and Rob's conversation about Brian. Rob says "so he wasn't faking his death".
It almost sounded as if it were common practice, only a soap character who knows he's in a soap would say something like that.

Oh yes. I love how blasé the characters can occasionally be towards what you and I would consider the most extreme of situations. There's more of this goodness to come.
 

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Thank you to all who have been very conscientious about posting any spoilers beyond the episodes I'm currently at. I see my thread title has been changed to something inviting discussion of the entire show, which kind of takes us into dangerous territory re: spoilers. Even if posters are being sensitive to spoilers, it could easily just happen.

I'm happy for people to keep enjoying and posting in the thread but since the thread was created as a spoiler-free place, I'll ask that everyone please clearly label the episodes you're discussing at the top of your posts each time. That way I can at least know what to read and what to avoid!
 

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but since the thread was created as a spoiler-free place
True, and I guess we could have created a re-watching thread for other forum members. But no-one has intentionally taken over, the interest for S&D was contagious and happened spontanously. This happened at a time that the thread had been abandoned by those who had started watching S&D and posted in this thread.
The thread title has been changed because we got the Sons And Daughters prefix, this was an unexpected plot twist:D
Being somewhat familiar with your slow pacing (which is only natural if you're watching 8 or 10 soaps at the same time) I think I can predict that all posts will contain spoilers for you.
As far as I know everyone has mentioned the episode number in their posts.
 

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True, and I guess we could have created a re-watching thread for other forum members. But no-one has intentionally taken over, the interest for S&D was contagious and happened spontaneously. This happened at a time that the thread had been abandoned by those who had started watching S&D and posted in this thread.
The thread title has been changed because we got the Sons And Daughters prefix, this was an unexpected plot twist:D
Being somewhat familiar with your slow pacing (which is only natural if you're watching 8 or 10 soaps at the same time) I think I can predict that all posts will contain spoilers for you.
As far as I know everyone has mentioned the episode number in their posts.

Yes, it was all lovely and spontaneous, and, again, I am happy to see it. I don't agree the thread was "abandoned", watching ebbs and flows, but it's alright. I do watch slowly, so others might as well enjoy discussing the show.

I know people have been mentioning the episode numbers, which is why I thanked all of you who have been very careful! I thought it was clear this was for anyone who didn't and was new to the thread. The title would give the impression it's free for all and so a newer request was in order :)

Anyway, all this has shown me it would be a lovely way to spend my bday watching SONS & DAUGHTERS & MOTHERS & FATHERS & UNCLES.
 
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There's this lovely bit of business with the dress Charlie gifts Patricia and how it visualizes Pat's struggle over whether to go after David or not: Wear it and thus begin her efforts or resist the temptation. It's quite interesting when she resists.

Meanwhile, I nearly cried when Scott surprised Fiona with an early return. Fiona really is everything.

Susan must die. Violently. Even as she touchingly arranges for Stevie to meet his hero Kangaroo, I want her to die.
 

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Thanks Willie for your appreciative comments :)

Mel I’m having a mid blank now who was in the opening credits of the shows run to remember the other two.

I thought I remembered the show better than I did lol I feel a little sheepish ha!

Anyway the talented, natural actor Brett Climo is in the fifth season now of A Place to Call Home. I haven’t seen it but it’s an Oz drama which I have no doubt will be a good quality watch with him in it :)

And thank you for the info on UK covers. Have either seen any Belgium covers of S&D??
 
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With this storyline I'm not sure what statement the powers that be are trying to make about rape. But perhaps the point is there isn't one
I think it turned out to be a very strong and emotional plot device, especially for Fiona.
Terry's horrible excuse ("thought she was just being a difficult whore") is what truly fouls him, but the story doesn't acknowledge that - not even by Jill herself - so I just go along with it.
The path of least resistance, etcetera.
Here he has been handed once in a lifetime information which would blow Fiona out of the water and drive her to distraction. But that’s too simple. Instead he creates a whole alternative universe with character backstories and everything.
Yes, an alternative universe! It's so good and twisty in a Knotslandian kind of way, I didn't want it to end.
Now Amanda’s setting her sights on Kevin in an attempt to cuckquean Lynn.
I like her lust for revenge. And nobody knows she hates Lynn!
What an entrance for Lisa Cook (AKA Pippa II). Driving whilst using Australia’s first car phone
Everything about her screams "we're in the 80s now", and it almost makes me feel nostalgic.
Beryl summed up the meeting perfectly
Whoever wrote these scripts has a great sense of humour. Beryl's comment made me (and Barbara) cackle.
Patricia arrived home while Fiona, Beryl, Barbara and Dee were chattering upstairs
My mind boggled at the sight of Dee and Barbara and Fiona and Beryl and Patricia all in the same room.
Incidentally, the interior of the Melbourne mansion makes more sense now Dee's living there.

The big argument causes Barbara to have an emotional breakdown, and it just made me think about the art of acting.
I mean, how could anyone pretend to be so emotional about a fake story? Call it melodrama or whatever you like, but she's so good it's almost offensive.
The confrontation between Dee and drunken gatecrasher Charlie was hilarious
I've decided that Charlie should become a meme, and have a million followers - her Charlie's Angels.
I can't wait to see it added to Willie's Bitch-Slap Archive
Hurrah!

p.s. Phillipe finally has his ooh-la-la moment.
 
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Does anyone know if Fiona's dentures get their own spin off at some point?
if Fiona's dentures get their own spin off then I demand one for Beryl's perm too!
They could both be in the spin off. 'Perms and Dentures'. They could use the same theme song with just a very minor alteration.

I probably shouldn't still be guffawing so heartily two years down the line, but this thread has so much re-read value.




There's this lovely bit of business with the dress Charlie gifts Patricia and how it visualizes Pat's struggle over whether to go after David or not: Wear it and thus begin her efforts or resist the temptation. It's quite interesting when she resists.

Yes. Patricia's choices keep the audience on their toes and guessing. She should be the show's least surprising character, but the opposite is true.


Susan must die. Violently.

With such unanimous and universal dislike for Susan it really does make me wonder how she slipped through the casting net.
 

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Terry's horrible excuse ("thought she was just being a difficult whore") is what truly fouls him, but the story doesn't acknowledge that - not even by Jill herself - so I just go along with it.
The path of least resistance, etcetera.

You'll be rewarded for it, Willie. ;)


Everything about her screams "we're in the 80s now", and it almost makes me feel nostalgic.

Yes indeed.


Whoever wrote these scripts has a great sense of humour. Beryl's comment made me (and Barbara) cackle.

It was so quirky and random that I've wondered if it was an ad lib thrown in to liven up yet another "so we meet at last" scene.


My mind boggled at the sight of Dee and Barbara and Fiona and Beryl and Patricia all in the same room.

Yes. It's Aussie's answer to VH1 Divas.


The big argument causes Barbara to have an emotional breakdown, and it just made me think about the art of acting.
I mean, how could anyone pretend to be so emotional about a fake story? Call it melodrama or whatever you like, but she's so good it's almost offensive.

Cornie Frances is this consistently good in every role. She turns prosaic dialogue into something that jolts the audience's flesh and nerves. You've got some terrific Barb scenes not too far ahead of you.


I've decided that Charlie should become a meme, and have a million followers - her Charlie's Angels.

She'd probably prefer Charlie's Darlings (even though it doesn't work quite as well).


p.s. Phillipe finally has his ooh-la-la moment.

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Anyway the talented, natural actor Brett Climo is in the fifth season now of A Place to Call Home.

That sounds familiar.


One of the forum members is currently watching

Ah. And this must be why it sounds familiar. I thought perhaps it was from the World Cup and wondered why I hadn't looked into it more. I see it wasn't even nominated there. Perhaps it's considered more of a drama series than a soap.
 

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Mel I’m having a mid blank now who was in the opening credits of the shows run to remember the other two.

I thought I remembered the show better than I did lol I feel a little sheepish ha!


Well, to put you out of your misery, here are the four I can think of:

  • Amanda
  • Leigh
  • Glenn
  • Susan
 

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My viewing has slowed down. In large part because some recent episodes have felt largely like an endurance test, with huge chunks devoted to characters and situations I’m not connecting with. It's incredible how drastically different things seem to just a few short episodes ago. And not for the better.

Earlier, I commented that S&D’s speciality is having characters connected on numerous levels. Robin is an example of why it’s not a good idea to go against this. He’s one of the new breed of S&D characters who is only loosely connected to anyone. His motives aren’t clear which would be great if it created mystery (presumably as intended). Instead, there’s just an irritating lack of information. Half the cast seem intrigued by him, but I don’t care what his dark secret is or why he’s being such a bitch, because it all feels so incidental. Yes, it’s creating some enjoyable tension between Patricia and Margaret which is making them both more sympathetic (miscommunication again). But it would be more meaningful if it was created by someone with some kind of connection to others on the show. Robin feels like a very “surface” character, rather than one with roots. Casting is a large part of the reason, I think. In place of charisma or depth there’s just a load of smirking and that weird throat clearing thing he keeps doing.

In further insipid casting news, Tony’s whiny girlfriend is getting more screen time. Again, she's not connected to anyone on the show other than Tony - who is himself a secondary character. It all feels very peripheral and meaningless and I feel I'm wasting good time in watching these scenes. Her latest whining is about not wanting to move away, so I’m feeling hopeful there could be an ending to this dullest of dull characters very soon.

The stories, too, are less than inspiring at the moment. Wayne turned up with a comedy bandage on his head and a chunk of his memory missing. There have been lots of scenes of he and Amanda navel gazing and trying to put the pieces together, which has given the flatulent sofas at Toorak a real workout.

However it’s starting to show a little soapy promise, with the news of Amanda’s pregnancy and the new twist that Amanda now has feelings for Wayne. So this is essentially this season’s Brian/Jill marriage-of-convenience-with-feelings-involved story.

Speaking of babies, Jill’s bump is showing now. Which is usually a sign that the writers have some jeopardy in store.

With Kevin out of the picture, and Lynn missing him desperately, the writers took around ten minutes to throw her together with Andy. There has been scene after scene of these two mooching round after each other. Did I mention these episodes have felt like an endurance test? Amanda has stumbled on them together, but is too bored by the situation to bother doing anything about it.

All signs point to Lynn following Kevin out of the show. She and Davey even had a long goodbye scene with Beryl in which flute music played. Surely they wouldn't be so cruel as to fake the audience out with false hope?

In brighter news, Stephen continues to fascinate me. The dynamic with Patricia is so different from her relationships with Gordon or even David. In many ways he feels like a match for her. There’s a darkness to their relationship. And a strange kind of collusion. It’s difficult for her to hide her scheming from him. As with David and Gordon, Stephen despises this side of her character, but he is far quicker to nip it in the bud. And to name it:
It’s a disease with you, isn’t it? …It has to be a sickness. There’s no other explanation.
 

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In large part because some recent episodes have felt largely like an endurance test, with huge chunks devoted to characters and situations I’m not connecting with.
I had hoped this would not happen before episode 600 or so! New characters can be very hit or miss, I guess they just tried a little bit of everything.
I don't mind the occasional dud or miscast, as long as they don't get too much screen time.
As far as talent is concerned, there seems to be a different standard for the older and younger cast members. Sometimes it feels as if the youngsters were plucked from local-supermarket-obscurity.
 
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