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Monzo

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In 2011, B&B was cancelled in Germany. Since it aired on the biggest channel, fans hoped that a smaller channel would pick it up. Last year, the dream finally came true: a pay tv channel started airing new episodes with a completely new voice cast, but two years of the show had been skipped. B&B was also available for streaming on various providers. Now B&B has been cancelled after 150 episodes due to bad TV ratings and poor streaming numbers. I checked the channel's social media sites and guess how many people complained about the cancellation: not even 20.
 
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Emelee

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In 2011, B&B was cancelled in Germany. Since it aired on the biggest channel, fans hoped that a smaller channel would pick it up. Last year, the dream finally came true: a pay tv channel started airing new episodes with a completely new voice cast, but two years of the show had been skipped. B&B was also available for streaming on various providers. Now B&B has been cancelled after 150 episodes due to bad TV ratings and poor streaming numbers. I checked the channel's social media sites and guess how many people complained about the cancellation: not even 20.

Anyone could have figured out that would never had worked. The old fans had already gotten used to not watching. Some probably now too old or even dead. Then skipping years so remaining fans were completely lost and topping it off with all characters sounding different. And on a small pay-TV channel no less. Come on! Not even a miracle could have fixed that mess.
 
It has always fascinated me how a soap can be a massive hit in some countries, but a failure in others. It can't just be time slot-dependent, or just the network that picks it up. I think a lot of it has to be how the show uniquely appeals to that country's viewers. B&B tries to hold true to the old-fashioned storytelling formulas more than the average soap; perhaps German viewers have fallen out of love with that kind of presentation. I would argue that US soaps (not just B&B) have had their budgets cut to a degree that they can no longer present themselves with that expensive look and feel that so many associate with American TV productions.
 

Monzo

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A plus point of B&B is certainly the fact that many international viewers have been able to follow it from the start. Daytime TV did not exist in a number of countries until the 1980s, and with the advent of cable television, US daytime soap operas eventually arrived in Western European countries and in the 1990s after the end of the Cold War in the former Eastern Bloc.

The first US daytime soap on German television was Guiding Light on cable TV with moderate success, but Santa Barbara (from episode 1) really took off. It was THE show to watch in the afternoon and the cable channel therefore expanded its program with other soaps (GL, Days, B&B) and the competing cable channels also focused on US daytime soaps. In the end, only the US soaps that got viewers involved from the start got through: SB and B&B. B&B was lucky that Santa Barbara didn't survive long in the US, otherwise SB, which was also significantly more popular than B&B in France and Russia, would probably still be the international flagship of US daytime soap operas.

In Germany, interest in B&B waned more and more after 2000, also because German daytime soaps started who were more bourgeois. Today there are still eight German daytime soaps and none of the American ones on German television.
 

Carrie Fairchild

Telly Talk Star
Anyone could have figured out that would never had worked. The old fans had already gotten used to not watching. Some probably now too old or even dead. Then skipping years so remaining fans were completely lost and topping it off with all characters sounding different. And on a small pay-TV channel no less. Come on! Not even a miracle could have fixed that mess.
Sorry to go off topic a bit, but this is one of the concerns that I have about the revival of Neighbours. Now that the habit has been broken and it’s only going to be available in most territories on a smaller streaming service (I’m talking Freevee as opposed to Prime), will anyone but the hardcore fans be watching. Even the announcement that Channel 10 will be broadcasting it again seems shortsighted. They dumped it onto their smaller digital channel over a decade ago because ratings weren’t great but because of the (understandable) buzz that the finale generated, they’re bringing it back to the main channel, presumably in the hope that the buzz will translate to better ratings but I’ll be surprised if it happens. There’ll have been too long of a disconnect between the nostalgia fest of the finale and the revival starting.
It has always fascinated me how a soap can be a massive hit in some countries, but a failure in others. It can't just be time slot-dependent, or just the network that picks it up. I think a lot of it has to be how the show uniquely appeals to that country's viewers. B&B tries to hold true to the old-fashioned storytelling formulas more than the average soap; perhaps German viewers have fallen out of love with that kind of presentation. I would argue that US soaps (not just B&B) have had their budgets cut to a degree that they can no longer present themselves with that expensive look and feel that so many associate with American TV productions.
This intrigues me too. In the case of B&B, looking at three TV markets that share similar schedules - Ireland, the UK, Australia - it only ever became a hit in Australia. I think this is down to a few factors. One being that Australian TV had a history of airing US daytime soaps, going back to the 60’s, so viewers were used to that type of programming. And two, they picked it up from the beginning (premiering in late 1987) so viewers got to know characters from the very start. In Ireland and the UK, the American daytime soaps rarely made it on to the schedules of the main terrestrial channels (they were usually tucked away on satellite TV channels from the 80’s onwards), so there was no real tradition of viewers watching them. Ryan’s Hope aired briefly on the main network RTE in Ireland in either that late 70’s or early 80’s, presumably bought because of the Irish connection and Return to Peyton Place aired on ITV in the UK for a while on Saturday mornings. In the 80’s, Santa Barbara ran on RTE and ITV, presumably because the likes of Dallas and Dynasty were hot and they wanted more of the same for their daytime schedules. It only lasted a couple of years on ITV and while it ran into the 90’s in Ireland, it was never really a hit. It was just kind of there. Ironically, I think the Australian soaps actually filled the daytime soap quota for Irish and UK audiences because while they were glamorous and could be a bit OTT like the US soaps, they were a bit closer to our own soaps in terms of pace and location shooting. US soaps were seen as slow, set bound and often too OTT.

Bringing us back to B&B. While it had been available sporadically to Irish and British viewers via Sky and cable since the late 80’s (where it aired on Sky One and Wire TV), it wasn’t until the late 90’s when Channel 5 launched in the UK and TV3 launched in Ireland, that it would make it’s debut on a main terrestrial channel in both countries. By this point, they were picking up mid story, roughly a decade into the series, so viewers were learning who was who and what was going on, on the hoof (when TV3 later aired Y&R, they provided a specially recorded intro summarising who was who & the main storylines to date). I think they just tried to launch it too late. Sunset Beach premiered around the same time on both channels and it became a cult hit as it felt like a parody and viewers were joining it from the very beginning. B&B was too established and too deadly serious when it came to soap tropes like amnesia and returns from the grave. We bought into it when Sons and Daughters did it but the investment just wasn’t there with B&B. And even had it launched in the late 80’s from the very beginning, I think it still would’ve been lost in the tidal wave of better produced Aussie soaps that were airing around the same time.
 
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Also, I'd guess that B&B has another advantage as a half-hour soap rather than a full hour like the other American soaps. It's not as much work for the potential viewer to learn about 15-16 characters, as opposed to the 30-40 one could see in an hour-long soap.
 

Monzo

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Soap actors, especially B&B stars, like to mention that they are recognized all over the world, but by whom? As tourists, B&B stars go to tourist attractions where other tourists go, so I suspect that 90 percent of those who recognize B&B stars are American tourists and the rest are a few locals.

Too bad we don't have anyone from Italy in here who can explain to us whether B&B in Italy are really as popular as they say they are. Ratings are actually good in a soap block with other soaps/telenovelas from Spain and Turkey. But is B&B in Italy really still as hot as Bell pretends it is or is it one of those shows that's still around but nobody really cares anymore? It's often boasted that B&B stars took part in Italian Dancing With The Stars, but since there were also actors from German shows (that aired in Italy), I don't see that as a criterion for B&B being a monster hit in Italy.

Some fun facts: In Germany B&B aired back-to-back episodes for many years. The cable channel which used to air B&B in a soap block with Santa Barbara as shining star cancelled B&B after SB concluded and years later one of the big old channels which refused to do daytime tv, decided to try daytime, so B&B got a second chance there. In order to catch up, back-to-back episodes aired, which eventually became a problem because the switch to single episodes didn't work, and B&B repeats certainly didn't work. In Italy B&B airs six episodes a week, but the episodes are recut. An episode in Italy is only 12 minutes long.
 
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I recall a period (I want to say the early 1990s) when the American soap opera Loving was being talked about in that same manner---that it was a massive hit in Italian primetime and that its stars were mobbed by fans when they visited to do promotional work. Loving was never much of a player in American daytime, since it always aired in bad mid-morning slots and was...well, kind of slow and boring. And yet they said the Italians were quite taken with the series and a few of its stars, especially Noelle Beck, who played Trisha Alden on that show. Many Italian fan magazines referred to the show as Trisha---not sure if the show was actually renamed this for the syndication deal or if it was just fan "shorthand" for the show. Obviously different cultures have different tastes, but perhaps Italy just enjoys "flash in the pan" type shows rather than embracing long-running, stable shows in the same way some people go from fad to fad in fashion and styling.

Trisha was your traditional, good-girl heroine on Loving, but I'd hate to think Italian fans would similarly embrace Brooke Logan, arguably the female lead of B&B, since she's...well, not exactly a role model for young girls.
 

Monzo

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Katherine Kelly Lang took part in Ballando con le stelle (Dance with the Stars) in 2014 and it didn't suit her image in Italy. She was pretty untalented and didn't seem all that willing to train hard either. To make matters worse, she complained that the studio audience just called her Brooke, so she got voted off in round 3.

Ronn Moss was the first B&B actor at Ballando con le stelle and was able to inspire everyone with his charm. Sean Kanan was popular too, but Katherine Kelly Lang played on the cliche of the conceited American soap star. She was followed in 2018 by Don Diamont, who was the first dancer to be voted out. Since then, tv station Rai has realized that they can no longer make money from calls for B&B stars and so no one was invited anymore.

About Loving in Italy: It was called Quando si ama (When you love) and aired on Rai 2 starting from September 1986 in the afternoon instead of Capitol. In 1990, there was an abrupt interruption of programming due to a voice actors' strike, soon Rai 2 began airing B&B in that timeslot. B&B turned out to be more successful, so when the strike was over Loving was moved from the afternoon in late morning. In 1994 B&B moved to another channel (Canale 5) and Loving returned in it's orignial timeslot until it concluded in 1999.
 
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Carrie Fairchild

Telly Talk Star
In Italy B&B airs six episodes a week, but the episodes are recut. An episode in Italy is only 12 minutes long.
Wow! Is that 12 minutes stretched to a half hour with endless advertisements or do they just air it in an old school quarter hour slot like a soap from the 50’s?
I recall a period (I want to say the early 1990s) when the American soap opera Loving was being talked about in that same manner---that it was a massive hit in Italian primetime and that its stars were mobbed by fans when they visited to do promotional work.
I saw a clip on Instagram a while ago, where one of the male stars of Loving talked about the popularity in Italy. He said nobody in the US was watching it but when he went to Italy, he was mobbed as though he was as big as Madonna. I also remember reading something about Kelly Rutherford being a huge star in Turkey because Generations was such a hit there.
 

Monzo

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Is that 12 minutes stretched to a half hour with endless advertisements or do they just air it in an old school quarter hour slot like a soap from the 50’s?
Most of the time B&B is stretched to 25 minutes. B&B starts at 1:45 p.m. Two episodes are currently airing on Saturdays, apparently Canale 5 wants to get closer to the US episodes (in Italy Hope is concerned about Deacon dating Sheila in current episodes). The first of the Saturday episodes is only 16 minutes long with advertising (and trailers), the second is even stretched to 28 minutes.

Another problem for daytime soaps is the cost of dubbing in the big foreign countries, because unlike many primetime shows from the US, there are hardly any repeats of daytime soaps. And voice actors are not cheap. I remember when Bill Spencer showed up at B&B in Germany he had the same voice as Dylan McKay or Damon Wayans in My Wife and Kids. It makes a difference for broadcasters whether they dub 250 episodes of a series per year or just 22 episodes of primetime shows.
 

Emelee

Telly Talk Warrior
I'd never watch anything if Sweden dubbed series or films. I watched a semi-dubbed movie, a German/Swedish co-production with both Swedish & German actors. The German actors dubbed to Swedish. It was so annoying to watch.

All hail subtitles!
 

Gabriele

Telly Talk Member
Soap actors, especially B&B stars, like to mention that they are recognized all over the world, but by whom? As tourists, B&B stars go to tourist attractions where other tourists go, so I suspect that 90 percent of those who recognize B&B stars are American tourists and the rest are a few locals.

Too bad we don't have anyone from Italy in here who can explain to us whether B&B in Italy are really as popular as they say they are. Ratings are actually good in a soap block with other soaps/telenovelas from Spain and Turkey. But is B&B in Italy really still as hot as Bell pretends it is or is it one of those shows that's still around but nobody really cares anymore? It's often boasted that B&B stars took part in Italian Dancing With The Stars, but since there were also actors from German shows (that aired in Italy), I don't see that as a criterion for B&B being a monster hit in Italy.

Some fun facts: In Germany B&B aired back-to-back episodes for many years. The cable channel which used to air B&B in a soap block with Santa Barbara as shining star cancelled B&B after SB concluded and years later one of the big old channels which refused to do daytime tv, decided to try daytime, so B&B got a second chance there. In order to catch up, back-to-back episodes aired, which eventually became a problem because the switch to single episodes didn't work, and B&B repeats certainly didn't work. In Italy B&B airs six episodes a week, but the episodes are recut. An episode in Italy is only 12 minutes long.
Here Im from Italy
 

Gabriele

Telly Talk Member
Wow! Is that 12 minutes stretched to a half hour with endless advertisements or do they just air it in an old school quarter hour slot like a soap from the 50’s?

I saw a clip on Instagram a while ago, where one of the male stars of Loving talked about the popularity in Italy. He said nobody in the US was watching it but when he went to Italy, he was mobbed as though he was as big as Madonna. I also remember reading something about Kelly Rutherford being a huge star in Turkey because Generations was such a hit there.
Yes,I confirm.
Im italian
 

Monzo

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In a recent interview, Katherine Kelly Lang commented on a topic that I also always find baffling when watching the show:

“I always wonder why lately it seems like her stepkids, Steffy and Thomas, are strangers. I wish we could show more of the history there. Brooke was very much a mother figure to them when Taylor wasn’t here. So, I would think they would have some kind of relationship, whether they’re getting along or whether they are fighting or whatever. But there is all that history involved and I think you can feel that they have been in each other’s lives forever. I feel there is so much more that can be done there. I do hope it goes in that direction.”
 
This "islanding" of characters is a problem on all the soaps due to the production model that has evolved in the past fifteen or so years. Because certain characters usually end up in stories together ("on their island"), they interact with each other to the exception of everyone else. A group of actors will film blocks of scenes together (usually on the same set) to be dropped into multiple episodes rather than the old model of a complete script being done with all the participating actors reporting to work. The old model allowed a lot more interaction between the whole cast, but the new model saves a lot of money.

This is also why viewers get so excited when they see characters from different "islands" crossing paths. Whether the show is doing a "chemistry test" between the two characters or it's just filler for a script, it's immediately noticed when you have two or more characters interacting who should know one another (living in the same small town, perhaps with friends and relatives in common) but are rarely if ever seen in the same scene.
 

Monzo

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Now that Brooke and Taylor have become so close, I'm waiting for a conversation like this:

"You know, Brooke, sometimes I remember the times when I was pregnant with your child."

"Oh my God! I totally forgot! It was a boy, wasn't it?"

"Yes, you had another son, Brooke."

"What's his name again?"

"Jack. Your son's name is Jack."

"Jack, of course. Now I remember! He was so cute! You handed him over to live with me."

"That's right, Brooke. I wonder what happened to him.”

"Now that you mentioned him, I'm thinking of him, too."

"Maybe we should contact Nick to find out how your son is doing."

"That's a great idea! You are such a good friend, Taylor!”
 
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