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I'm always intrigued to see where you rank the films and series. For me it would be a near impossible task because I like (or dislike) the individual films for very different reasons.

Oh, it's the same for me. Even now, as I get further away from many of the films I look at the list and question my choices. I want to start moving things round based on which ones are resonating more or less, and which I'd look forward to rewatching.

The ranking system is flawed and based on all kinds of factors, but I do like rankings/lists so I can't help myself.



I would say there are about 10 that I would put in the premier league

I'd agree with that.


I think the 3 Spider-Man films in this MCU timeline are only group that I think have been consistently good, the others (Avengers, Iron Man and possibly even Captain America) all have at least one film in their series of which I am less fond.

For me (as probably obvious from my rankings) it's the three Cap films that have been the standouts for me, but I'd guess that the Spider-Man films are probably more consistent in tone (although I still haven't watched the third one).

I'm with you on the Iron Man and Avengers films. I had such high hopes for the Iron Man sequels after finding the first one an absolute knockout, and was sad to find that I really didn't care for the second or third films.

The first two or three Avengers films were a huge disappointment to me (turns out I'm just not a fan of Joss Whedon's style). It's quite ironic that the first Avengers film I loved was actually the third Captain America film.



However, overall as a collection of films it's incredible how they have maintained such a high quality over the amount of films and amount of years they have been going for.

Yes. It probably helps that they're owned by Disney as it's a similar story to the Disney Classics and their longevity (although they've had their low points too, of course). Whatever the secret behind their business model is, it clearly works.
 

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For me (as probably obvious from my rankings) it's the three Cap films that have been the standouts for me, but I'd guess that the Spider-Man films are probably more consistent in tone (although I still haven't watched the third one).
I said this on another thread, I loved the first 2 Captain America films but I felt a bit cheated by the third one because it wasn't really a Captain America film, it was really an Avengers film. It's a good film but I don't rate it as highly as the first 2 nor as highly as you did. There was a lot I liked about the film, the storyline of the conflict between the 2 groups of Avengers was believable and the action sequences were first class. However, I felt there were too many characters competing for air time so there wasn't time to tell their individual stories and motivations and I would have liked to have seen more of that.

The Spider-Man films work really well as a continuous story or as 3 separate films that can be watched in isolation.

The first two or three Avengers films were a huge disappointment to me (turns out I'm just not a fan of Joss Whedon's style). It's quite ironic that the first Avengers film I loved was actually the third Captain America film.
I agree with you that Endgame is the best Avengers film. It's not that I didn't like the preceding Avengers films but they didn't blow me away like others in the MCU did so I had lower expectations for it which it easily exceeded.
 

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I said this on another thread, I loved the first 2 Captain America films but I felt a bit cheated by the third one because it wasn't really a Captain America film, it was really an Avengers film.

That's completely understandable and I know @Crimson felt the same way.



I felt there were too many characters competing for air time so there wasn't time to tell their individual stories and motivations and I would have liked to have seen more of that.

Yes. I had the benefit of watching this film in sequence with the rest of the series which I'm sure enhanced how I viewed it. I might feel differently about it if I'd watched it in isolation.

Also, because I knew before watching the cast was fairly big, I suppose I was judging it against earlier Avengers films rather than the first two Cap films, and I was thrilled that Civil War proved I could find an Avengers film entertaining and thrilling.

While there was less room for character than the first two Cap films (or most of the other solo films, come to that), I thought the balance was good and there was some nice space taken for character exploration through dialogue. Sitting in on an Avengers board meeting with a heated discussion and differing viewpoints was great because it really showed how strong the performances are, which brought it back to characters and their individual stories.



The Spider-Man films work really well as a continuous story or as 3 separate films that can be watched in isolation.

Agreed. I'd already watched the first two Tom Holland films before watching the rest of the MCU and I appreciated how accessible they were despite the references to events in the broader MCU.
 

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@Mel O'Drama You've progressed further than I expected, although I guess it's been a long time since I popped in. I avoided your reviews of AGENT CARTER since I plan to watch it, but life has gotten in the way; I've been too busy or tired to watch much TV.

Neither HELSTROM or THE RUNAWAYS had piqued my interest in the slightest. Based on your rankings, I'll add RUNAWAYS to my 'maybe' list, although I know literally nothing about it. Any indication that these shows are indeed in continuity for the MCU?

Please tag me when you get around to SM:NWH and when you start the Netflix shows. I doubt I'll have much commentary episode-by-episode as its been years since I've watched them, but I surely have overall opinions.
 

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I avoided your reviews of AGENT CARTER since I plan to watch it, but life has gotten in the way; I've been too busy or tired to watch much TV.

Life has a way of doing that. Don't worry at all. The thread's not going anywhere and will still be here as and when you have the time, energy and desire to watch.


Based on your rankings, I'll add RUNAWAYS to my 'maybe' list, although I know literally nothing about it.

I was in the same boat, and I think that went massively in its favour since I had no preconceptions of what it needed to be.

As and when you do dip in I'll be interested to know your thoughts on it.


Any indication that these shows are indeed in continuity for the MCU?

With Helstrom there's nothing I noticed at all.

Runaways - while mostly standalone - had a couple of little touches which could be viewed as placing it in continuity. Most notably there was a location and building previously memorably seen in one of the earliest MCU films. There's also a significant prop which went on to be used in continuity in a more recent series and film.
 

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Season One (2015)

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(As promised, I'll tag @Ome and @Crimson now that I'm beginning the Netflix shows).


My lack of enthusiasm for Helstrom had made me start to question if I’d seen the best Marvel has to offer and was now simply going through the motions for completion. This gave me mixed feelings about diving into Daredevil. On the one hand, I felt mildly excited about watching The Defenders Saga grow out of this in the same way The Avengers had grown from Iron Man. While on the other hand, six series totalling thirteen seasons is quite the commitment… especially if the bloom was off the rose. I feel even more daunted now that I’ve realised the Netflix shows total over one hundred and sixty episodes.

Fortunately, the news is good as far as these opening episodes are concerned. The tone is spot-on and I like the aesthetics (like Helstrom, there are lots of murky green/yellow drab filters and long shadows).

The non-linear storytelling is effective and compelling. I love that the origin story which began when Matt was nine is essentially still unfolding in present day with Matt and Foggy setting up their law practice and meeting Karen. The prequel within the story works really well and I’m hooked on the backstory with young Matt and his father. The flashbacks are organic and inform the story well, in much the same way as our memories are always with us just below the surface.

Action scenes are exciting and dynamic. Already I’m impressed at Matt seeming both super-heroic and incredibly human at the same time, and I like the gritty realistic practicalities that follow the fights - from Matt stitching up Jack after he’s been in the ring to Claire taking care of Matt’s flooding lung after he’s been stabbed. It’s pretty grim and feels like a graphic novel brought to life.

Casting is great. Neither Matt nor Karen are exactly as I imagine them to be based on the comics, but I found myself quickly accepting these versions of the characters and there’s a definite spark that makes the chemistry between all the actors work really well. I particularly appreciate that Foggy has retained his build and looks from the source material and I’m very pleased that he wasn’t reimagined as a hottie à la Aunt May. My favourite relationship on the series at the moment is that between young Matt and his father Jack. Skylar Gaertner and John Patrick Hayden are great together.

Then there’s Charlie Cox. I really do have to wonder why so many British actors - especially males - get cast in lead roles for MCU projects playing classic American heroes and villains. Why is this? Is it the work ethic? Are American actors not bothered about this kind of role? Does someone at Disney have a thing for young brunette British guys? Do they represent a particularly pushy kind of British alpha type? Is it just coincidence? With it happening so much it’s feeling like cultural appropriation, with all these British guys stealing jobs out from under Americans on their home turf (and if that is the case, I can only offer my apologies as a Brit).

Having watched Hawkeye recently (though it feels like quite a way off at this point) I’m looking forward to exploring Wilson Fisk’s origins in this series. At this point in the series I’ve only heard his voice, but I did spot Vincent D’Onofrio’s name in the credits for the first episode.
 

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Daredevil



Rabbit In A Snowstorm / In The Blood


Joining up the dots between Daredevil and Hawkeye, Wilson Fisk has well and truly arrived and has already shown himself to be someone with whom you do not mess. As already mentioned when he (re)appeared in Hawkeye, Vincent D’Onofrio’s casting is excellent. He looks very close to the comics look as imagined by John Romita.

Even within this series, the build up of his character has made him a force to be reckoned with, starting as a name nobody would dare whisper; then a voice on the end of the phone; a shadowy figure in a stocky limousine within a fleet of battle-ready such cars; the shy, awkward art lover tentatively asking a beautiful woman on a date; and finally the violent bully throwing his weight around. His outburst of violence at the end of In The Blood is possibly the most brutal scene depicted in any MCU project I’ve yet watched and still managed to create the sense that this is the tip of the iceberg. It’s shocking because it feels quite real, and the same goes for the bowling ball bashing and the self-spiking suicide.

Fisk isn’t the only familiarity from Hawkeye. The Rabbit In A Snowstorm artwork seemed very familiar and I’m fairly confident that, too, later appeared in Hawkeye.

Vanessa, too, works well for me as a younger, more independent version of the character I know from the comics. I knew who she was meant to be before she said her name, so that’s something.

There are enough layers to constantly satisfy and interest. Karen’s obsession with Union Allied Construction and her new ally in Ben Urich is pretty compelling.


Ben, by the way, is nothing like the Ben Urich I remember. Notwithstanding he’s a different race, he’s also far less scruffy, and neither smokes nor works for the Daily Bugle. But I like him all the same.

It feels as though Charlie Cox is still working out his performance as both Daredevil and Matt Murdock at times, usually reflected in delivery style. The former is very understandable, of course, since The Man In Black is a new persona even for Murdock. One scene even had TMIB doing a husky Christian Bale Batman thing to disguise his voice. I hope that doesn’t stick.

It seems less right that Matt Murdock’s vocal style should differ so much. One scene with Matt, Foggy and a client early in Rabbit In A Snowstorm saw Cox delivering every line of dialogue with heavy vocal creak which - apart from being unpleasant to listen to - felt plain wrong for this character. Again, I’m keeping fingers crossed it’s an anomaly.
 

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Great review, as always, Mel. It's been quite a few years since I watched these, so my memory is poor. A couple of things stick out with me and why I enjoyed all these series', but I need to hold back until you've reached the end before commenting.
 

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It's been quite a few years since I watched these, so my memory is poor.

Oh. I'd imagined you'd probably watched the series at a similar time to the Marvel films, so I hadn't realised it had been so long for you.

A couple of things stick out with me and why I enjoyed all these series', but I need to hold back until you've reached the end before commenting.

That's intriguing. Looks like I'll need to pick up the watching pace so I can find out. ;)
 

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Oh. I'd imagined you'd probably watched the series at a similar time to the Marvel films, so I hadn't realised it had been so long for you.
I watched them pretty close to their release. I can’t remember when I did the first season, but do remember having to wait for the second one to be released.



That's intriguing. Looks like I'll need to pick up the watching pace so I can find out. ;)
Oh, it’s nothing overly exciting. I just think it’s better I hold back and you keep watching without me nudging you into any kind of direction.

While I can’t remember episode details, I can remember the characters and I agree totally with your thoughts on them as well as the casting too.

I’ve never read any marvel comics, so my watch was completely fresh. I had heard of Daredevil and that was all my knowledge was about. None of the other characters or heroes were known to me. I guess in a way it gave me nothing to measure them with and it was all down to how the actors portrayed each character.
 

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I watched them pretty close to their release. I can’t remember when I did the first season, but do remember having to wait for the second one to be released.

Gosh. That is a while ago. Season Two was released over six years ago. I envy you having the experience of watching them as they were hot off the press.


Oh, it’s nothing overly exciting. I just think it’s better I hold back and you keep watching without me nudging you into any kind of direction.

I'll look forward to reaching a point where we can chat in more depth about it.

Did you watch the other series in the Defenders universe as well? I have a vague memory of you mentioning Jessica Jones before now so I'm going to guess you did.


I’ve never read any marvel comics, so my watch was completely fresh.

That's the best starting point, I think. A lot of the films and series I've enjoyed most are the ones where I don't know the characters too well.


I had heard of Daredevil and that was all my knowledge was about.

There was also the Ben Affleck Daredevil film back in 2003 which seems to have been really poorly received. It's years since I watched it, but I didn't think it was all that bad (and it was my introduction to Evanescence, so there's that).
 

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Daredevil

World On Fire




The dynamics between characters are highly enjoyable. World On Fire built on the low-key triangle developing with Matt, Karen and Foggy.

It seems Karen likes Matt. He possibly sees their relationship as professional but probably senses her feelings and doesn’t discourage it even though he’s in what Jada Pinkett would call an “entanglement” with Claire.

Foggy likes Karen. She possibly sees their relationship as a friendship, but she seems aware of his feelings and doesn’t discourage it. In fact she goes so far as to ask Foggy to touch her face, feeding him some more crumbs of hope while (probably) only doing it so she can picture Matt doing it.

It’s dysfunctional and messy and so very human. What’s interesting is that all the characters remain very likeable despite the somewhat selfish agendas that inform their actions. The impromptu dinner Foggy and Karen took at the condemned apartment they’re trying to save was possibly my favourite thing about this episode.

Wilson and Vanessa’s relationship is fascinating as well. He sugar coats what he does, but she knows and is both wary (she takes a gun on their first date) and fascinated. There’s a great scene where - from the safety of their penthouse view - she watches Hell’s Kitchen ablaze after a series of explosions. Fisk explains his motives for what she’s seeing and makes it sounds noble. She buys it, and I almost do as well.
 

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Condemned


Now this was an exciting episode. It’s one of those where everything comes together and the real-time storytelling added to the sense of urgency.

The brutal consequences are ratcheting up with each episode and the police force being owned by Fisk gives a genuine sense of threat and jeopardy. There is no support and no safety net and it reinforces the insurmountable challenges Matt faces as he is framed for more and more violence.
 

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It's been quite a few years since I watched these, so my memory is poor. A couple of things stick out with me and why I enjoyed all these series', but I need to hold back until you've reached the end before commenting.

Yes, it's much the same for me. I was watching these shows real-time, which means DAREDEVIL S1 was way back in 2015 (yikes! 7 years ago!) I recall which of the Netflix shows I liked more than others and even which seasons I preferred, but certainly nothing down to an episodic level.

As with the MCU as a whole, it will be much easier to talk about the series as @Mel O'Drama is further along.

Neither Matt nor Karen are exactly as I imagine them to be based on the comics, but I found myself quickly accepting these versions of the characters

Daredevil isn't a character who resonated with me very much during my comic book reading years. In fact, I can't recall ever reading a single issue of his book. I don't even recall him being associated with any team book from those years, not even The Defenders. My main familiarity with the character, prior to the TV series, may just have been the Ben Affleck movie.

With virtually no familiarity or vested interest, it was pretty easy for me to accept these versions. At the time, I thought DAREDEVIL was the best superhero TV show made to that point. I particularly liked that it was grounded without being monotonously 'dark'.

The question of continuity within the MCU is always interesting to me. I've already said it a few times so no spoilers here, but the canon status of these Netflix shows within the main MCU is uncertain. The inclusion of Vincent D'Onofrio as Kingpin in both DAREDEVIL and HAWKEYE would indicate a connection, but it's not without precedent for one actor to play the same character in two universes (J.K. Simmons). Since Disney + is doing a new DAREDEVIL show with Charlie Cox, I'm inclined to think it will be an in-continuity soft reboot; one where the Netflix shows are perhaps not directly referenced but not necessarily contradicted.

As you make your way through the shows, I'd love to know if you pick up any continuity connections or contradictions.
 

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it will be much easier to talk about the series as @Mel O'Drama is further along.

As you can probably tell I'm not flying through these, but hopefully it won't take me too long.


Daredevil isn't a character who resonated with me very much during my comic book reading years. In fact, I can't recall ever reading a single issue of his book. I don't even recall him being associated with any team book from those years, not even The Defenders.

For me, too, he was a pretty peripheral character. I liked the character but rarely read anything in which he appeared and he mostly seemed to avoid the crossover saturation of the mid-Eighties.

I do have a couple of issues of his solo title. One I bought because it had a gorgeous Barry Windsor-Smith cover of Daredevil and Black Widow (with whom I think he was on-off romantically involved at the time):

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And, by sheer luck, I also obtained an issue that's part of Frank Miller's most iconic arc on the title:
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I think a friend gave it to me, and I can imagine they kicked themselves later since it now appears in Top Tens for both character and artist. It's a beautifully written and drawn issue and I remember finding it quite shocking when I was young.




As you make your way through the shows, I'd love to know if you pick up any continuity connections or contradictions.

I'll keep an eye out. In early episodes I found it interesting that the Battle Of New York was referenced a few times without (as far as I recall) mentioning the Avengers or any of the specifics involved.
 

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@Mel O'Drama How do you plan to watch MOON KNIGHT, which is only a day away from launch? Will you watch the episodes as they're released weekly, or wait for the season to be over to binge? Will you finish DAREDEVIL, or shift between the two?
 

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@Mel O'Drama How do you plan to watch MOON KNIGHT, which is only a day away from launch? Will you watch the episodes as they're released weekly, or wait for the season to be over to binge? Will you finish DAREDEVIL, or shift between the two?
Unfortunately I think Moon Knight will be yet another example of me being way behind.

Now I’ve started The Defenders Saga I suspect I’ll see it through in its entirety before watching anything else. I’ll be mixing up the series anyway to watch in release date order (so Season One of Jessica Jones will follow Season One of Daredevil) and throwing Moon Knight into the mix is liable to confuse things.

Please don’t let me stop you and @Ome from posting about it. I’ll be happy to skip and come back to the posts in a month or two when I’m ready to dive in.
 

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Daredevil


Condemned / Stick / Shadows In The Glass / Speak Of The Devil / Nelson v. Murdock / The Path Of The Righteous / The Ones We Leave Behind / Daredevil



My near silence in the last week and a half is no reflection on either my viewing or enjoyment but simply because fate - in the hideous form of “technical difficulties” - restricted me to viewing and posting entirely on my phone. Happily, the old Mac is back in town and whizzier than it has been in some time after some rest (and a few not insignificant upgrades).

I’m not sure if watching without prompt reflection has had any bearing on how I’ve viewed the series. If it has, I suspect it’s only for the best as I came to thoroughly enjoy the series, its characters and plots.

Name an aspect of the series and I’ve grown to love it more and more.

There’s the moody atmosphere. The New York street scenes have been truly delightful. I never could quite work out if it involved actual New York locations; a different city doubling for Hell’s Kitchen; outdoor lots; green screen; or some combination of these. Either way, it really set the mood.

The story - or, more accurately, stories - had me completely invested. The complexities and nuances created a compelling world. Somewhere in the latter part of the series as I watched an episode beginning - as all did - with no recap, I really realised how much credit the writers gave to the audience to keep up with what’s going on. A new viewer tuning in, or someone who had missed an episode or two, would have been quite disorientated, but on and on the story pressed, taking the viewer along and allowing them to catch up along the way. I suspect the release pattern of the series as a bingeable “box set” was key in allowing them this freedom. Without Stan Lee’s ethos that every comic (or episode) might be someone’s first, there’s no need to repeat or spoon-feed, and the result is a story that continuously opened up and blossomed.

There were a few twists I really wasn’t expecting, each of which raised the stakes. Karen shooting weasly Wesley dead was a game-changer, as was Foggy’s discovery of Matt’s secret. All were great for characters, creating yet more angst and secrecy.

The fallout between Matt and Foggy was terrific. More than probably any other MCU project to date, this series has felt like a proper, grown-up, serious drama. If someone didn’t care for superhero stuff but liked, say The Sopranos, 24, thrillers, human dramas or even soaps, I can see this really speaking to them. Character is absolutely everything. Having an episode virtually in real time was a ballsy move for such a young series and helped solidify this as a true MCU favourite of mine.

Ben’s fate shocked me. I took for granted that he would survive Fisk’s attack because he’s a key character in the series. It’s strange and a bit sad to think of this series going on without him and yet it simply wouldn’t be true to this gritty world if a way was found to bring him back.

I could go on and on as more scenes and twists come back to me, but I’ll just finish by saying that it’s a firm favourite (I’ve even made peace with Matt’s vocal fry, for heaven’s sake) and I’m greatly looking forward to Season Two.
 

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Jessica Jones

Season One (2015)

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AKA Ladies Night / AKA Crush Syndrome / AKA It’s Called Whiskey

Jessica’s a character about whom I know very little, other than the name, dark hair and occupation always put me in mind of Jessica Drew (perhaps no coincidence since Brian Michael Bendis is something of a Spider-Woman fan).

It’s a good starting point, I think, and this series has hit me in the best possible way. Almost as soon as it began I found myself making quick judgments (a minor flaw of mine) and thinking I wouldn’t enjoy watching this grungy girl in a hoodie making cynical quips. I’m happy to say I was wrong.

It’s early doors, but Ladies Night left me feeling it had potential, Crush Syndrome hooked me in and It’s Called Whiskey (watched a day later) was something I felt no hesitation about watching.

I am familiar with a couple of the supporting characters, though it took me until the second episode before it registered one was Luke Cage and until the third before I realised Trish was Patsy “Hellcat” Walker.

Of these two, I think Luke is a perfect match to my mental visual of the character made real. I know him a little from various comics appearances in the Seventies and Eighties (usually as Power Man, alongside Iron Fist. I had a nice pull-out poster of them on my bedroom wall at one point), but have no real knowledge of his history and storylines, so I’m happy to accept him as played here.

I’m less sure about Trish/Patsy, but I’m trying to keep an open mind. I enjoy the character and her role in the series well enough, but I just can’t associate her with the Hellcat that I’d occasionally see in West Coast Avengers or whatever. It’s also a little confusing seeing her here this close to having watched Helstrom since (I’m guessing) this series operates in a different universe to the one featuring the comic Patsy’s husband.

It’s nice to see Carrie-Ann Moss (whom I’ll forever fondly remember for Models Inc.) appearing.

Krysten Ritter has really grown on me in these three episodes. Something about her reminds me of Sarah Michelle Gellar at times. With a touch of Dallas’s Shepard sisters thrown in.

Though I haven’t noticed any explicit ties - yet - the reality created here feels very much in harmony with the world of Daredevil. The New York streets feel very similar and one feels Jessica or Luke could walk past Matt or Foggy at any moment (without a glimmer or recognition). As in Daredevil, there have been somewhat oblique references to the events of The Avengers, primarily The Battle Of New York but without too much specificity (Luke referring to “The big green guy and his crew” felt a little exciting all the same).

The fact that Jessica and all the characters have a past is helping this feel expansive. Jessica’s PTSD and her former stint as a superhero; the stuff with Luke’s wife; Trish’s past life; Kilgrave’s influence. There have been little crumbs of information and each one tantalises perfectly.
 

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AKA 99 Friends / AKA The Sandwich Saved Me / AKA You’re A Winner! / AKA Top Shelf Perverts / AKA WWJD? / AKA Sin Bin

As with Daredevil I find the stories more gripping and compelling with each passing episode. I’m thoroughly enjoying the twists the story has taken and the little cliffhangers that keep me coming back. Most episodes manage to end with or otherwise include something that feels like a game-changer.

Jessica spilling the beans to Luke about killing Reva seemed to come very early. I thought that would come towards the end of the season and I really admire that this series isn’t afraid to play its hands early and build on it. Incidentally, the staging of the scene - with Jessica screaming the truth from behind Luke as he walked away - reminded me very much of the infamous “You ain’t my muvva” scene between Kat and Zoe slater in EastEnders.

Another surprising move for me was the death of poor Ruben. And all for confessing his love for Jessica. I really liked him as a character - who wouldn’t want a cute, naive little stalker baking them banana bread? It felt as though he was set up to be a longer-term supporting character, and this makes his death pack a punch. Likewise, the great CCTV reveal of Malcolm meeting Kilgrave felt more important because we’d already accepted him as part of Jessica’s world.

The power struggle between Jessica and Kilgrave has been great fun. Each time Jessica seems to get the drop on him it feels conclusive which makes it more frustrating/surprising/satisfying when he escapes to continue. The possibilities with his literal power of persuasion are pretty broad and many avenues have been explored.

I have a strange viewing relationship with David Tennant. I first heard of him with Doctor Who and was put off by the adulation his role brought. I don’t care for his frenetic, overly energetic, über-intense performance with the overacting and wild eyed stares and whatnot, because it feels rather attention seeking and needy. He seems to be a natural upstager (which, of course, can be a very desirable thing in a leading actor and has no doubt served him well). Watching interviews with him, I find him very engaging and charming and witty, but he also feels kind of like a stand up comedian type with the quick comebacks and funny line for every occasion, and I find that quite exhausting. While I generally avoid anything with his name attached I have found him watchable in the couple of roles in which I have seen him. That’s very much the case here. Kilgrave is another memorable role for him. In many ways it captures many of the reasons I don’t care to watch him (right down to the fake English accent that wavers between contemporary RP and Estuary English). But there’s no denying that he’s turning in a good performance, rising to each new emotional extreme. I can understand why many would be thrilled by it. He’s not my favourite thing in the series, but I can accept him in this role.

Perhaps it’s the Victorian in me, but I’m finding the sex scenes a bit much. There are some shows where more frank sexual depictions have felt organic and natural (I’m thinking Nineties British shows, such as This Life and Queer As Folk). Here it feels more as though it’s here simply to give the series a USP in the “mature” department. Daredevil had the violence. Jessica Jones has the sex. Will Simpson going down on Trish was bad enough, but then there’s a scene of Pam squirming on the desk while forcing Jeri to puppeteer her fanny that felt as though it went on for about five minutes of soft core porn. And nobody washes their hands afterwards. Trish and Will went straight to the kitchen afterwards and were raiding the fridge for food.

I think the transatlantic thing doesn’t help, because even such sexual scenes have the typically American modesty where the women either have blankets covering their boobs or remain fully dressed (as was the case with Jeri and Pam). There may be the occasional flash of bum or boob, but there’s no question of full frontal and so it ends up feeling at odds with itself as well as as overly staged. It’s like those moments in a Madonna concert where she does something supposedly daring that’s clearly very choreographed and ends up feeling very artificial. It’s a very strange way of doing it, but regardless of how it’s done, I really don’t think the sex adds anything anyway.

I suppose I'm not the core demographic for these scenes anyway. Most of them seem very much heterosexual male fantasy stuff, so there's no danger of me reaping the benefit of any kind of titillation. Perhaps that's skewing my viewpoint.
 
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