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I do love when we get the anniversary specials for these legacy characters. It amazes me how long some of these actors have stayed or keep returning, regardless of their reasons. I just never thought back in 1983 that I’d still turn on the TV 40 years later and still be graced with the presence of these same characters. It’s nice to see. It gives the show credibility.
 

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Apparently no one informed Lauren that Sheila is still alive. On Halloween she was still happy with Eric about Sheila's death.

I know flashbacks make a lot of people feel like everything was better earlier on in the show, but with me it's the opposite, so I don't think it was as great as the memories made me think.

Did I miss something? When did Finn come out of the closet? Isn't it weird that the actor has to play a gay character on two soaps? I have to say it was strange seeing Kevin & Finn in a scene together, because they were a couple on Days recently.

By the way, has it ever been revealed if Tracey Bregman wanted or had to join B&B? Did she like leaving the number 1 soap to push another soap that was doing not so great in ratings at the time?
 
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I may be wrong, but I think she didn't jump, but was sort of pushed. They had nothing substantial for Lauren to do on Y&R, so she was written off to B&B because the character had so much more potential there. They similarly wrote Eileen Davidson's Ashley over there because Y&R was not able to drum up storylines for her. TB's Lauren not only got to mix it up with Sheila, but was involved in Forrester family stuff during her time there.

They likely have been avoiding discussion of Sheila in the Y&R scripts because they (the Y&R writers) have no control over what the B&B writers write for Sheila. On Y&R, there was that entire ridiculous plotline with Sheila getting plastic surgery to look like Phyllis, the long-lost twins Sheila gave birth to, and all sorts of plots best left forgotten. Y&R saying nothing about Sheila's status would be akin to Knots Landing not mentioning Bobby Ewing was alive on Dallas. The writers of the two shows could obviously sit down and do some coordinating of schedules if they wanted to do another L/S crossover, and might actually be doing that in secret. But we won't know until we get closer to the Y&R anniversary.

Back when Y&R attempted to re-introduce the character of Lauren's older son Scotty, they seemed to be setting it up as Scotty (now "Scott") being gay. Unfortunately the actor they hired was not very good at....well, acting, which led the show to cut the story short and fire the actor. Scotty's been basically forgotten ever since.
 

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Scotty's been basically forgotten ever since.
It makes me laugh out loud how a series like Y&R or B&B can completely forget their own creations. That said, I think B&B is the worst offender of them all. Whatever happened to Bridget and Rick?
 

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Y&R also 'forgot' Keemo, Jack's son who (according to story at the time) was conceived during Jack's stint in Vietnam. Peter Bergman was said to have hated the storyline, and after a few years of Keemo out of town, they wrote the show as if Keemo never existed (referring to Kyle as Jack's only son), and Jack's character was retconned to having never even gone to Vietnam. Flashbacks were done with a time stamp of 15-year old Jack in 1971, which made him too young to be drafted in the Vietnam War.

But once the show decided they needed to expand the Abbott clan a bit more, we were suddenly reminded of Keemo's existence---re-retconned? Un-retconned? Whatever. But rather than bring Keemo back directly, they introduced his daughter and said Keemo had died. This allowed the writing team to ignore the mistakes they made with Keemo while still using him to tie a new character to the canvas.
 

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I am amazed why Paul is not allowed to return for the anniversary. Heather and her daughter visited him and Christine off-screen, can you believe the most interesting part of an episode happens off-screen? I'm wondering if Y&R doesn't want Doug Davidson back or if he doesn't want to come back?
 

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It's hard to find factual (as opposed to gossipy opinion) information on what has gone down between Doug Davidson and the current producers of the show. The prevailing opinion is that when he was invited back he thought they were going to give him more to do. Instead, they barely used him. I'm not 100% sure but I think it is his decision not to appear; when you're on recurring you can come or go as you please. He might just be waiting for the current producers to get fired and try his luck with a new regime---it certainly worked for Mishael Morgan and Eileen Davidson.
 

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Whatever the current situation between Doug and the producers is it would be great to see him return for the 50th. He was such a great character and an intricate part of the show for so many years. How great would it be to see him share just one more scene with Victor, Nikki or Lauren? Sadly I guess it’s not going to happen.
 

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We often see soap actors have a falling-out with producers....only to have them return when the producers leave and a new team arrives on the scene. So don't give up on Doug Davidson just yet. There is also the unique situation with another soap being produced right across the hall, a soap which has an impressive track record of hiring actors that Y&R can't seem to accommodate. You know, that soap that employs Don Diamont, Heather Tom, etc. and has occasionally hosted Tracey Bregman and Eileen Davidson?
 

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There's yet another tribute to Neil, who was on the show for 28 years and died peacefully in his sleep. Brad was on the show for 24 years and died a heroic death, but no one ever thinks of a tribute to him - if at all, his name is mentioned once a year.

The good thing about the latest Neil tribute: Malcolm and Harmony. Now that Shemar Moores primetime show has been cancelled, he could return to Y&R on contract - if CBS Daytime is willing to pay heaps of money for him.
 
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Kristoff St. John's real-life death was rather tragic, since he never really recovered from his son's suicide. I think the show allows KSJ's real-life situation to color how they write for Neil's memory. Since Don Diamont is alive, well, and working across the hall at B&B, that also colors how they write for Brad's memory. I agree they could incorporate Brad's memory (as well as Colleen's) into the writing of Traci's character, since he's the only husband of hers that brought sufficient drama for the character.
 

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Didn't Shemar Moore say something like Swat had the most diverse cast on network tv?!? He stars as the only black actor in an otherwise white cast and, surprisingly, the only woman on the Swat team is a lesbian. Shemar Moore obviously doesn't watch any series on network tv, otherwise he would know how important diversity has become everywhere and Swat isn't anything special. Credit to Shemar Moore, because he's always known how to sell himself well, be it on Y&R, Criminal Minds or Swat. I didn't find him in any of his roles as good as he make himself or his fanbase make him out to be. However, I am amazed that Malcolm is returning to Y&R again. I thought after Neil's funeral back then, he'd never be seen again.
 

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I'm quite enjoying watching Y&R at the moment, at least more so than in the last few months. I'm actually curious to see how Phyllis comes out of her self-made dilemma, hopefully the explanation won't be too easy. I always like it when a recast convinces me and that's the case with Summer at the moment. I like her acting and attitude.

Viktoria deserves what will happen to her because of Nate. She hasn't learned anything from the Ashland drama and doesn't listen to anyone who reminds her of how Nate betrayed other people. As for Nate, it's nice that he has a character now, even if it's not a good one.
 

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I'm used to flashbacks on B&B and right now it's being overdone by the way, but now the same thing is happening on Y&R. It's not just flashbacks, it's more like replays of entire scenes that weren't even that great.

Otherwise, Y&R has taken a step back in storytelling. No story is really bad, but nothing is as captivating as it was a few weeks ago.
 

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It's difficult for me to figure out how the show is being written these days. Josh Griffith is both Head Writer and Executive Producer, so while he's on strike from his writer job, he's still running the show as EP. I can't picture how someone could draw that imaginary line in doing his day-to-day work since soaps are so collaborative nowadays. I mean, that's why they gave him both jobs in the first place--because they felt having one person do both streamlined the process of churning out the episodes. If secret scab writers are turning in episodes from their Undisclosed Locations, Griffith is obligated not to touch one word of the script (no editing of anything, no changes of lines, etc.), which means he can't really change something he hates even though that's what an EP typically can do. It would drive.me.crazy.
 

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One thing that bothers me about Y&R is when Victor is dumped down by the writers, or at least that's the impression given, as evidenced by his enthusiasm for Nate right now. As for Victor, I think that the writers are subliminally pointing out the day that he will no longer be part of the show. It's still a pleasure when Victor is on air, but actually everything just repeats itself. The only new fact in recent years was that Victor gave Victoria control of Newman Enterprises, but now we know that he is in control of everything and that he, as always, does what he wants with his companies and that he tries to control the lives of his children. Business matters will probably only become really interesting again when Victor's inheritance is distributed one day.

As interesting as Victoria and original Ashland's love story was, her affair with Nate is disappointing. It's too soon for Victoria to fall for another man who's using her. Nate is hard to sell as a businessman anyway. In fact, he just took over the ideas of his predecessor Sally, who was fired, and claimed her success as his own.

Like Nate, Audra is a character who's all over the place, but to be really interesting, she has to marry either one of the Newmans or the Abbotts. Maybe she'll get lucky with Kyle, who is character-wise going in a direction that I don't like.

I enjoy Diane, although the story drags on, but I prefer it that way than if she went straight back to her roots. Amazing that she could pull herself together like that with Phyllis. It was also amazing how Phyllis' dilemma turned out in court. I thought we would find out that someone else had killed Jeremy, but in fact it was Phyllis and the judge was smitten with Phyllis' honesty, so she released her on parole.

I never liked Tucker. I also didn't like the idea of Katherine and Jill being mother and daughter, but it was still better than the Tucker story. Tucker was suddenly too present on the show as Katherine's son and father to Devon, who I also never liked as Katherine's grandson. On Y&R in the past, I wasn't a fan when daytime veterans like Stephen Nichols or Steve Burton were made members of the core families, only to disappear after a few years and not be mentioned anymore. Tucker was suddenly remembered, but with nuTucker it's hard to imagine that he and Jill have the same birthday, ie the same year of birth. Trevor St. John delivers as Tucker, but the character just isn't exciting.

For me, Mark Grossman is the weakest Adam Newman so far, but it's more about the script than the actor. Either Adam is a changed man and boring or he's malicious again, but then his intrigues aren't nearly as exciting as those of his predecessors.
 
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