Who Did Jane Really Boot From the Show?

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Irene worked at the METRO that had the most beautiful actresses in Hollywood,
I find her beautiful that's why she was paired with leading men like Cary Grant Chales Boyer and Robert Taylor. Because they thought she was attractive
In Sirk picture Jane's she attracts a newcomer Rock Hudson because she is good and out of guilt.
If I remember correctly, they gave him gray sideburns to make him look older. He was 8 years younger than Jane.
It is true that Jane worked with Gregory Peck, Kirk Douglas Charton, Heston and Rock Hudson, but when they were beginning their careers
A producer commented that it is not enough to be a good actress but that viewers are attracted to her. And this fits Jane very well.
In Belinda and blue veil it was sad And in both of Sirk's, the mature women identified with her. Despite not being young, she could attract a man as attractive as Rock.
Can’t decipher your point but for the record here is a list of Wyman’s leading men with a couple of husbands and Falcon Crest co-stars thrown in. I added a few other leading men in including Best Actor winners from the years she was up for the Oscar. + or - is to Wyman’s age. Very few are younger. Are we surprised?

Fred Karger 1916 +1
Ronald Reagan 1911 +6
Rod Taylor 1930 -13
Ceasar Romero 1907 +10
Mel Ferrer 1917 0
Gregory Peck 1916 +1
Charlton Heston 1923 -6
Rock Hudson(2) 1925 -8
Bing Crosby(2) 1903 +14
Ray Milland(2)1907 +10
Van Johnson(2) 1916 +1
Jimmy Stewart 1908 +9
Lew Ayres 1908 +9
Kirk Douglas 1916 +1
David Niven 1910 +7
Cary Grant 1904 +13
Jack Carson 1910 +7
Edward G. Robinson 1893 +24
Dennis Morgan(2) 1908 +9
Fred MacMurray 1908 +9
*Gary Cooper 1901 +16
*Humphrey Bogart 1899 +18 AA51
*William Holden 1918 -1
*Ronald Colman 1891 +27
*Marlon Brando 1924 -7 AA54
*Frederic March 1897 +20 AA46
*Laurence Olivier 1907 +10 AA48

In terms of Magnificent Obsession the age difference was greater between Dunne and Taylor.

Magnificent Obsession 1935
Irene Dunne 1898/37
Robert Taylor 1911/24
13 years apart

Magnificent Obsession 1954
Jane Wyman 1917/37
Rock Hudson 1925/28
9 years apart
 

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Can’t decipher your point but for the record here is a list of Wyman’s leading men with a couple of husbands and Falcon Crest co-stars thrown in. I added a few other leading men in including Best Actor winners from the years she was up for the Oscar. + or - is to Wyman’s age. Very few are younger. Are we surprised?

Fred Karger 1916 +1
Ronald Reagan 1911 +6
Rod Taylor 1930 -13
Ceasar Romero 1907 +10
Mel Ferrer 1917 0
Gregory Peck 1916 +1
Charlton Heston 1923 -6
Rock Hudson(2) 1925 -8
Bing Crosby(2) 1903 +14
Ray Milland(2)1907 +10
Van Johnson(2) 1916 +1
Jimmy Stewart 1908 +9
Lew Ayres 1908 +9
Kirk Douglas 1916 +1
David Niven 1910 +7
Cary Grant 1904 +13
Jack Carson 1910 +7
Edward G. Robinson 1893 +24
Dennis Morgan(2) 1908 +9
Fred MacMurray 1908 +9
*Gary Cooper 1901 +16
*Humphrey Bogart 1899 +18 AA51
*William Holden 1918 -1
*Ronald Colman 1891 +27
*Marlon Brando 1924 -7 AA54
*Frederic March 1897 +20 AA46
*Laurence Olivier 1907 +10 AA48

In terms of Magnificent Obsession the age difference was greater between Dunne and Taylor.

Magnificent Obsession 1935
Irene Dunne 1898/37
Robert Taylor 1911/24
13 years apart

Magnificent Obsession 1954
Jane Wyman 1917/37
Rock Hudson 1925/28
9 years apart
She's not a glamorous kitten and can't be sold that way to movie fans. She fights the battle for the lead roles, but let's face it: movie fans want to see someone likable if that actor is going to carry the movie.
One of the best movies of hers that I remember seeing is with Bing Crosby. Because? Because he's not a glamorous cat either. You can't put her in front of Cary Grant and expect anyone to believe he would fall in love with her.
 

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Her daughter commented in her biography that Lana had earned more money from imitation of life than Elizabeth from Cleopatra.
Magnificent Obsessio was a remarque of a film starring Robert Taylor and Irenne Dunne.
You seem to ignore that Imitation of Life was a remake of the successful multiple Academy Award nominated 1934 B/W film with Claudette Colbert. I've seen that one just two weeks ago and some scenes are almost identical (both versions are very good). What is your point with the remake? Good if Lana Turner is in it and bad if it's Wyman? Then more bad news to you: David Selby (who we both love) co-starred in the flop Rich and Famous, a remake of a Bette-Davis-film called Old Acquaintances. The remakes in the 1950s were often made to lure people back into cinemas away from TV with colour versions of old B/W classics. Some were successful, some failed. Some were still done in B/W before the costs were on par for colour. Today TV series are rebooted because younger viewers prefer the 16:9 format to the old 4:3.

It is strange that after so many devoted women she offered him the role of the aunt, a somewhat unfriendly character.
Strange are your ideas about the acting profession. What would you fantasize about Anthony Hopkins being offered the role of Hannibal Lecter? Probably that Jodie Foster disliked him because he would eat human flesh to prepare for his role...?

Pollyanna, Harvey Miller was wonderful and she was the star of the movie
Yes, like Lassie was the star of his movies and not any of his co-stars. But young Liz Taylor knew that as well as Wyman knew who was the lead in Pollyanna - the girl who played the role the film was named after. I have trouble to understand your nitpicking about nothing. Wyman also co-starred in comedies with Bob Hope or Clifton Webb, lesser known films. What were the directors of those movies thinking? ;)

She's not a glamorous kitten and can't be sold that way to movie fans. She fights the battle for the lead roles, but let's face it: movie fans want to see someone likable if that actor is going to carry the movie.
One of the best movies of hers that I remember seeing is with Bing Crosby. Because? Because he's not a glamorous cat either. You can't put her in front of Cary Grant and expect anyone to believe he would fall in love with her.
That's your thought. My thought is: in reality Audrey Hepburn was one of the most unbelievable screen partners for Fred Astaire and Cary Grant, because they were too old. As ridiculous as Roger Moore with Carole Bouquet in one Bond film or Crosby with Grace Kelly in two films. Allegedly Hepburn had an affair with Two for the Road co-star Albert Finney who was one of the few screen partners younger than her, which added to prior problems in her marriage and led to her divorce from Mel Ferrer (and freed him to marry Angela Channing many years later before Jane Wyman demanded him being fired according to a certain anonymous Spanish Wyman biographer online).
 
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She's not a glamorous kitten and can't be sold that way to movie fans. She fights the battle for the lead roles, but let's face it: movie fans want to see someone likable if that actor is going to carry the movie.
One of the best movies of hers that I remember seeing is with Bing Crosby. Because? Because he's not a glamorous cat either. You can't put her in front of Cary Grant and expect anyone to believe he would fall in love with her.
In her TCM interview she is very candid that she was never a glamour girl. That was Ann Sheridan’s niche at Warners. I’m not sure she wasn’t glamorous enough for Cary Grant as much as she was too old in the 50’s most of his romantic pairing were with woman he was more than twenty years older than. 4 Academy Award nominations in 9 years, the most of any actress over that period. She seemed to do all right in her lane.
 

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She's not a glamorous kitten and can't be sold that way to movie fans. She fights the battle for the lead roles, but let's face it: movie fans want to see someone likable if that actor is going to carry the movie.
One of the best movies of hers that I remember seeing is with Bing Crosby. Because? Because he's not a glamorous cat either. You can't put her in front of Cary Grant and expect anyone to believe he would fall in love with her.
Jane Wyman never pretended to be "a glamorous kitten", she was more of a dramatic actress that had the versatility to play comedy and song and dance roles. However, she could do the glamour roles when required, as was the case in Let's Do It Again (1953). If the best film of hers that you've seen is Just For You (1952) you clearly haven't seen many of her films.

Why wouldn't anyone believe that Cary Grant could fall in love with Jane Wyman? She often came across as being pretty, intelligent and likeable in many of her roles. If the cinema going public could believe Cary Grant could fall for Mae West then they wouldn't have any difficulty imagining him falling for Jane Wyman.

Jane Wyman did appear in a film with Cary Grant (Night and Day, 1946) but she wasn't his love interest, that was Alexis Smith who went on to play Lady Jessica Montford in Dallas.

And as for your nonsense suggesting that Jane Wyman wasn't likeable and "movie fans want to see someone likable if that actor is going to carry the movie", Jane Wyman starred in and carried many films. How can anyone watch The Blue Veil (1951), for example, and not say she didn't carry that film?
 

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4 Academy Award nominations in 9 years, the most of any actress over that period. She seemed to do all right in her lane.
Wow, that's an amazing fact and there can't be that many actors or actresses that can match that record. Meryl Streep, Kathrine Hepburn and maybe a few others but that is an incredible amount of nominations to achieve over such a short period of time.
 

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Susan Hayward grabbed her 4th in 55. Her first was in 47 so if you shift the 9 year window she has the same record but she went 0 for 4. Her win wasn’t until 58. Bette Davis, Irene Dunne and Greer Garson but for all of them the window opens in the 30’s. Things changed a lot after the war. The Paramount Decree that forced the studio’s to sell off their theatre chains and basically ended the studio system was in 1948. Such an interesting period of transition. Jane did very well for herself.
 

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I doubt Sullivan said any of that (she did say working with Jane and Lana was memorable). But anybody who tries to argue that Jane Wyman was a "bigger" star, or "about equal" to Lana Turner, doesn't have preferences but instead prejudices.

I'm not a major Lana Turner fan (although I love Jacqueline -- if only because she killed even more people) but she was an icon, and generally ranked as one of the three or four greatest glamour queens in movie history. Turner was a decent actress, and, yes, only had one Oscar nomination compared to Wyman's actual statue -- but Lana was drop-dead gorgeous in her youth and MGM's top star for a while.

Both actresses seemed to be preparing to play Jacqueline and Angela decades before FALCON CREST ever happened.

Jane herself said her own box office couldn't compare to Bette Davis' at Warners. Stanwyck was a free agent -- in an era where that could have been career suicide, and in the '40s was the highest paid woman in the United States.

Turner, Stanwyck and Davis were all bigger stars than Jane Wyman in their day. Wyman was a respected actress and the only one to have a big hit television series (Stanwyck's BIG VALLEY was a modest success in the '60s but would run for eternity in reruns -- it was just that kind of show).

Wyman outlasted all of them, however.

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Bette Davis was nine years older than Jane Wyman, she won her first Academy Award the year Wyman, at 19, signed with Warners in 1936. Stanwyck was a decade older, her first Academy Award nomination was in 1938 nine years before Wyman’s in 1947 for “The Yearling”. Are they her contemporaries?

Jane Wyman and Lana Turner’s peers were Ingrid Bergman, Jennifer Jones, Susan Hayward, Betty Grable and Olivia de Havilland not Bette Davis and Barbara Stanwyck (though Wyman and Stanwyck were friends) What makes Wyman’s story unique is her long apprenticeship as a contract player before emerging as a star. Her leading lady period (1945-1955) only lasted a decade before she went into television and producing. She had a very different career trajectory than any of her contemporaries including Turner.

Wyman was never a glamour girl, though she was dressed on screen by some notable Costume Designers of that era including Milo Anderson, Edith Head, Jean Louis, Bill Thomas and Orry-Kelly.

Turner was a pin-up but she didn’t win many reader or exhibitor poll awards. She was only listed on Quigley’s Annual List of Box-Office Champions” 3 times that I could find. Jane made the top 25 list 6 times between 49-56 and cracked the top ten once. Lana’s appearances were #23/1942, #25/1943 and #13/1948.

The Yearling made more for MGM than Green Dolphin Street in 47 and we all know which one did better critically. In 48 The Three Musketeers tied with Johnny Belinda, just below them was Lana’s Cass Timberlane. Again we know which pictures did better critically. Belinda had a tiny budget and made Warner’s a fortune. In contrast Musketeers was very expensive and made a very small profit. Jane’s pictures did better than Lana’s in 50, 51 and 52. The Bad and the Beautiful did it’s time in theatres in 53 so I suspect it will be tops but Jane will win 54 and 55. Of course Jane goes into TV at that point.

Lana was a star sooner and on film longer. Lana never had any real success on TV. They aren’t remotely similar so I don’t think they ever competed for parts though Jane’s role in Three Guys Named Mike was supposedly rejected by Lana. It was a bigger hit than both Life of Her Own and Mr Imperium.

They aren’t in competition in my mind. Very different women and careers. The suggestion that either one was jealous of the other seems ridiculous to me. Why?
 

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Bob Crutchfield, who worked as Senior Vice President TV Publicity at Lorimar Productions between 1980 and 1986.
"Very good friend of Jane's," he commented.
Lana Turner was the first one who came to his mind. I have mentioned that, preparing for our interview, I have watched one of the Lana Turner interviews from the early 1980's, which is available as a video clip on the Internet.
“I am sorry. I almost threw up on the floor,” he expressed his disdain about what the late actress had said back then. “I loved her saying: ‘Oh, that was just publicity — we [Jane and I] loved each other, we were the best of friends. That [the feud] was just done for publicity.’” Bob imitated Lana’s way of presenting that statement — and then lowered his voice and emphasized: “Jane loathed her. First of all, she was not flattered that they brought her in.” He referred to the producers' decision in season 1 to “spice up” the series. Family Reunion (episode 12 <1.12>) was the last episode CBS had original-ly ordered — their first order of the then - new series included 13 episodes, i.e. the original pilot (The Vintage Years) plus twelve episodes.
Bob pointed out that Jane was insulted that Michael Filerman, who co-ran the show at the time, insisted on bringing Lana in to bolster the ratings. “Jane said: 'What's the matter? Is there something wrong with the ratings of the show? Am I not a big enough star that you need to bring in a, you know, Hollywood legend?!'
He also mentioned that Lana oftentimes was not too secure with her lines. “I had to be very careful because I was supposed to be polite to Miss Turner as our guest star. On the other hand, if Jane caught me talking to her, I would get the cold shoulder for a day or so. It was not a happy relationship with Lana at all,” Bob emphasized and made it very clear that, when Angela said “goodbye” to Jacqueline in a season 2 scene — forcing her to leave the Tuscany Valley — it was not acting.
“That’s all very interesting,” I said, “because when you see the publicity photos that were taken of the two actresses…”
“Oh, I set them up!” Bob laughed.
“From those pictures, particularly the ones from their first day of shooting in Malibu Creek State Park where the Gioberti Family Cemetery was staged, you'd never guess that they didn't get along…” I continued. “They look as if they were having the time of their lives, with a warm welcoming for Lana…”
It was a difficult situation to get Lana and Jane relaxed enough for a publicity shot.
Since it was so complicated to get pictures of the two of them together, Bob explained: “A lot of the ones that you probably saw were shot by our staff photographer during filming with a blimp on his still camera so it made no noise so he could shoot while they were actually doing the scene from another angle. So they wouldn’t be posing for him.” He left no doubt that Lana made it very difficult to work with her on the set.
I had to admit, however, that — despite all the evil things Michael Filerman did to the series, — hiring Lana Turner was quite a clever move behiring Lana Turner was quite a clever move because it brought a lot of publicity to the show, and her storyline plus its aftereffects brought a whole new dynamic to the series, in particular because she perfectly fit into show
“ONE REASON WAS THAT LANA WAS ALWAYS A BIGGER MOVIE STAR THAN JANE WAS,” BOB REPLIED, “BECAUSE LANA WAS ONE OF THE MAYBE HANDFUL OF FIVE MAJOR, MAJOR, MAJOR MOVIE STARS THAT WERE IN HOLLYWOOD IN THE OLD DAYS, AND SHE DIDN 'T DO TELEVISION. SO THERE WAS A LOT OF CURIOSITY TO WATCH HER. BUT WE WEREN’T HURTING THAT MUCH IN THE RATINGS WHEN THEY PUT HER ON.”
You can read the entire interview

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You are aware that some of the people from the German Fanclub may be participating in this forum?

Yes I think you are because you were involved in a discussion with one of them who disputed your interpretations.

Now you do simple copy-and-paste jobs with their work and no further comment by you. This is the most ignorant (as clearly stated by the linked PDF= © 2014 by Deutscher FALCON CREST - Fanclub. All rights reserved.) and shameless exploitation of another user's creative work I've ever witnessed in an online forum.
 

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He left no doubt that Lana made it very difficult to work with her on the set.
I had to admit, however, that — despite all the evil things Michael Filerman did to the series, — hiring Lana Turner was quite a clever move because it brought a lot of publicity to the show, and her storyline plus its aftereffects brought a whole new dynamic to the series, in particular because she perfectly fit into show

You can kind of feel that tension, the whole Lana Turner arc, and one sensed there was a reality to it that went beyond the script. And Turner's reputation as a shameless homewrecker (she'd slept with Miss Stanwyck's husband) and, of course, that night in her house with "that mobster" (two hairdresser friends said after she died that Lana indeed bladed the bastard) made Turner -- who was well-aware of her "weird, creepy woman" image -- absolutely ideal to provide that tawdry backstory for the Tuscany Valley, pretty much forever.

And Jacqueline did indeed fuel the show's storylines long after she was dead. It's just a shame that the later writers never adequately explained Jacqueline's and Douglas' motive in stealing Baby Richard, and they never used my idea that she'd buried nuclear waste un the vineyard (facilitating a string of spontaneous human combustion in Season 7 and explaining all the mental illness and brain tumors of Julia/Emma/Melissa/Maggie) back in the '50s!

But in addition to Wyman's rigidity, Turner apparently did have strange psychological issues: her lateness, for one thing. She'd been pampered at MGM with its red-carpet ambiance, and never had to toil in the tougher, rougher world of Warner Bros. (where Bette Davis and Jane Wyman refined their professional discipline, and where Joan Crawford went and thrived simply because she was so career-driven that she rose above whatever spoiling MGM might have given her early on) which better prepared them for the advent of television and its brutal schedule.

Designer Nolan Miller said that during one of those live NIGHT OF A HUNDRED STARS extravaganzas in NYC in the '80s, Turner came very close to missing her curtain call because she just kept dilly-dallying in her dressing room, risking dead air for the live broadcast across the country. Somehow, they got her out there on cue, but it wasn't easy...

You can't get better casting than that!

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Bob Crutchfield, who worked as Senior Vice President TV Publicity at Lorimar Productions between 1980 and 1986.
"Very good friend of Jane's," he commented.
Lana Turner was the first one who came to his mind. I have mentioned that, preparing for our interview, I have watched one of the Lana Turner interviews from the early 1980's, which is available as a video clip on the Internet.
“I am sorry. I almost threw up on the floor,” he expressed his disdain about what the late actress had said back then. “I loved her saying: ‘Oh, that was just publicity — we [Jane and I] loved each other, we were the best of friends. That [the feud] was just done for publicity.’” Bob imitated Lana’s way of presenting that statement — and then lowered his voice and emphasized: “Jane loathed her. First of all, she was not flattered that they brought her in.” He referred to the producers' decision in season 1 to “spice up” the series. Family Reunion (episode 12 <1.12>) was the last episode CBS had original-ly ordered — their first order of the then - new series included 13 episodes, i.e. the original pilot (The Vintage Years) plus twelve episodes.
Bob pointed out that Jane was insulted that Michael Filerman, who co-ran the show at the time, insisted on bringing Lana in to bolster the ratings. “Jane said: 'What's the matter? Is there something wrong with the ratings of the show? Am I not a big enough star that you need to bring in a, you know, Hollywood legend?!'
He also mentioned that Lana oftentimes was not too secure with her lines. “I had to be very careful because I was supposed to be polite to Miss Turner as our guest star. On the other hand, if Jane caught me talking to her, I would get the cold shoulder for a day or so. It was not a happy relationship with Lana at all,” Bob emphasized and made it very clear that, when Angela said “goodbye” to Jacqueline in a season 2 scene — forcing her to leave the Tuscany Valley — it was not acting.
“That’s all very interesting,” I said, “because when you see the publicity photos that were taken of the two actresses…”
“Oh, I set them up!” Bob laughed.
“From those pictures, particularly the ones from their first day of shooting in Malibu Creek State Park where the Gioberti Family Cemetery was staged, you'd never guess that they didn't get along…” I continued. “They look as if they were having the time of their lives, with a warm welcoming for Lana…”
It was a difficult situation to get Lana and Jane relaxed enough for a publicity shot.
Since it was so complicated to get pictures of the two of them together, Bob explained: “A lot of the ones that you probably saw were shot by our staff photographer during filming with a blimp on his still camera so it made no noise so he could shoot while they were actually doing the scene from another angle. So they wouldn’t be posing for him.” He left no doubt that Lana made it very difficult to work with her on the set.
I had to admit, however, that — despite all the evil things Michael Filerman did to the series, — hiring Lana Turner was quite a clever move behiring Lana Turner was quite a clever move because it brought a lot of publicity to the show, and her storyline plus its aftereffects brought a whole new dynamic to the series, in particular because she perfectly fit into show
“ONE REASON WAS THAT LANA WAS ALWAYS A BIGGER MOVIE STAR THAN JANE WAS,” BOB REPLIED, “BECAUSE LANA WAS ONE OF THE MAYBE HANDFUL OF FIVE MAJOR, MAJOR, MAJOR MOVIE STARS THAT WERE IN HOLLYWOOD IN THE OLD DAYS, AND SHE DIDN 'T DO TELEVISION. SO THERE WAS A LOT OF CURIOSITY TO WATCH HER. BUT WE WEREN’T HURTING THAT MUCH IN THE RATINGS WHEN THEY PUT HER ON.”
You can read the entire interview

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Do yourselves a favour and follow the link. Crutchfield’s portrait of Jane Wyman is consistent with the one she projected on the handful of public appearances she made when “Falcon Crest” was in production. His comment in relation to Lana quoted above is purely speculative and his. He provides plenty of background that suggests the friction between the two women was caused by Lana Turner’s bad behaviour on set. He also corroborates that Jane’s often quoted quip “I thought it was a bit much when she took a limo to the loo” is true. In one of the Lana biographies it talks about the problems Turner had on “The Survivors”. She really struggled with being prepared and the pace of shooting for television. this jives perfectly with what he observed on Falcon Crest. The interview also corroborates Wyman’s friendships with many of her co-stars that some members have tried to refute with misinformation. He also talks about how close she was with her daughter Maureen. Great read.
 

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You are aware that some of the people from the German Fanclub may be participating in this forum?

Yes I think you are because you were involved in a discussion with one of them who disputed your interpretations.

Now you do simple copy-and-paste jobs with their work and no further comment by you. This is the most ignorant (as clearly stated by the linked PDF= © 2014 by Deutscher FALCON CREST - Fanclub. All rights reserved.) and shameless exploitation of another user's creative work I've ever witnessed in an online forum.
Well whenever I can I put the link
I guess every fan wants to share information about their favorite topic.
Although the opinion of fans is very interesting, it is also interesting to discuss original material that is sometimes difficult to locate on the internet or is not available.
If the forum member feels upset, just let me know by email and I will stop publishing it. And I will apologize
Some of the best material about Falcon Crest is in Spanish where prestigious magazines such as Hola did many interviews and published the biographies of Ana Alicia Lorenzo Lamas and Susan Sullivan.
Asunta Serna's material is very interesting and is UNPUBLISHED.
 

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If the forum member feels upset, just let me know by email and I will stop publishing it.
I can't speak for another forum member. I commented on it because I think it's offensive how you exploit the work of another fan (@TJP ), unpaid work, just my feeling.

Asunta Serna's material is very interesting and is UNPUBLISHED.
Yes, I appreciated that. But her name is Assumpta Serna! ;)
 
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Lana Turner played classic films that have gone down in cinema history
Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde with Spencer Tracy
The Three Musketeers, The Bad and the Beautiful The Postman Always Rings Twice
Sirk's great success was not the two she did with Wyman but Imitation of Life
Wyman specialized in suffering and good women. She was a good actress but not a superstar.
According to who is the film of Dr. Jekyll and Mr Hyde a classic? It wouldn’t even make Bergman’s top ten films. The Three Musketeers is hardly a classic compared to The Lost Weekend and The Yearling. Both have two films selected for the National Registry so far. Everyone knows Sirks most important film is “All That Heaven Allows”. Fassbinder remade it after all.
 

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Rumors not Robert L. McCullough, says was written off the series because Jane Wyman did not want her character to be involved with the same person too long. According to Suzanne, Jane did not like the romance of Angela and Phillip very much.
Unfortunate, although Mel did not have much chemistry, he was a better couple than Rod Taylor
Nothing strange that can be expected from an actress who, according to Alfred Hitchcoc, who directed her in Stage Fright, wanted to rival Marlenne Dietrich in beauty and elegance.
For the record Jane Wyman never claimed “she wanted to rival Marlene Dietrich in beauty and elegance” This is not what Hitchcock said in his interview with Francois Truffaut about “Stage Fright”. He said Jane Wyman was upset with how she looked in contrast to Dietrich and she tried to glamourize herself somewhat and he felt she failed to sustain the character when she is posing as Dietrich’s maid. I have never seen a single review of the film that supports his perception. Dietrich was also rumoured to be having an affair with Michael Wilding whose dialogue Jane claimed had to be dubbed because he mumbled. Their scene in the pub is one of the highlights of the film.

For further context Dietrich had similar problems with Jean Arthur on Foreign Affair. Arthur actually accused Billy Wilder of favouring Dietrich which she later apologized to him for. Dietrich was a lot less kind to Arthur than Wyman. Jane in her TCM interview has kind words about both Hitchcock and Dietrich.

Food rationing was still happening in England when they were shooting and he had food flown in and Dietrich and Wyman would join him most nights for dinner. There was no animosity between them. Wyman attended his AFI tribute in 1979. Patricia Hitchcock, his daughter, had very fond memories of Wyman from making the film. Donald Spoto who did a biographies of both Hitchcock and Dietrich argues in the Dietrich biography that the film should be re-evaluated. I tend to agree.
 

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For the record Jane Wyman never claimed “she wanted to rival Marlene Dietrich in beauty and eleganc
was Hitchcock said in his interview with Francois Truffaut about “Stage Fright.”
He said every time that "every time Jane went to see Marlenne at the screenings she compared herself to Marlenne and she would start crying."
Stupid because Maelenne was not a good actress but she was a very attractive woman and it was impossible to rival Marlenne in that aspect.
I think our friend Brian quoted this phrase that defines it very well.
In "Hollywood Babble On", Marlene Dietrich is quoted as saying: "I made a movie for Alfred Hitchcock. Jane Wyman was in it. I heard she only wanted to do it if she was billed above me, and she got her wish. Hitchcock didn't think much of it. She looks too much like a victim to play a heroine, and God knows I couldn't play a mysterious woman, that was my role. Miss Wyman seems like a mystery that no one has bothered to solve.
 

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Another attempt to rewrite history? Whatever Hitchcock said according to Marlene Dietrich isn't the same Hitchcock said to Truffaut. Dietrich's daughter Maria Riva had a simple explanation:

According to the biography of Dietrich by her daughter Maria Riva, Dietrich was not particularly fond of Jane Wyman, perhaps because they were such opposites.

And if Wyman really felt upstaged by Dietrich's style, there was a reason for it, according to a Dior biographer:
When Dietrich was asked to be in Alfred Hitchcock’s film Stage Fright in 1949 she agreed with the proviso that she could choose her own costume designer for the film rather then relying on studio costumer Milo Anderson who was doing the clothes of the star, Jane Wyman. She did not choose another costume designer, but chose the world’s most famous couturier, Christian Dior. (...)

BUT:

Taking Wyman under her wing, Dietrich taught Wyman the lighting she needed, how to have her makeup applied and how to sculpt her cheekbones with makeup and lighting and providing an all round Professor Higgins on the young Wyman.

AND:

Dietrich steals the film from her younger costars and the expected fireworks with Hitchcock, another control freak went unheeded as he basically left Dietrich to light herself and direct herself, and for the most part play herself, to great effect. She proudly touted his comments calling her an absolute professional, a professional wardrober, a professional lighting technician (she was the only actress who ever had a union lighting card so she could light herself) and a professional director. She failed to notice however that he did not refer to her as a professional actress.
 

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For the record Jane Wyman never claimed “she wanted to rival Marlene Dietrich in beauty and eleganc
was Hitchcock said in his interview with Francois Truffaut about “Stage Fright.”
He said every time that "every time Jane went to see Marlenne at the screenings she compared herself to Marlenne and she would start crying."
Stupid because Maelenne was not a good actress but she was a very attractive woman and it was impossible to rival Marlenne in that aspect.
I think our friend Brian quoted this phrase that defines it very well.
In "Hollywood Babble On", Marlene Dietrich is quoted as saying: "I made a movie for Alfred Hitchcock. Jane Wyman was in it. I heard she only wanted to do it if she was billed above me, and she got her wish. Hitchcock didn't think much of it. She looks too much like a victim to play a heroine, and God knows I couldn't play a mysterious woman, that was my role. Miss Wyman seems like a mystery that no one has bothered to solve.
Are we talking about Kenneth Anger’s book “Hollywood Babylon” or the podcast “Hollywood Babble-on”? There is no reference to Jane Wyman in Kenneth Anger’s book “Hollywood Babylon” period. I have a copy in front of me. Whatever the actual source of your quote is do let us know.

Not sure what the point of the PDF is? I know the book exists, I’m the one who cited it. I’ve read it and it doesn’t say what you claim it does. As usual you seem confused. It was a condition of Jean Arthur’s contract for Foreign Affair that she was to be given top billing. Stage Fright was made at Warners, Jane Wyman’s home studio she wouldn’t have had a separate contract specifically for the film. This doesn’t seem like an error Dietrich would make, she understood the studio system. I think Dietrich once claimed Arthur looked like a “plucked chicken”.

Wyman’s TCM interview corroborates Maria Riva’s book. Piling misinformation on misinformation just continues to undermine your credibility.
 
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