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I fear that I have been overly harsh about Meg Foster's suitability. As you say, the heart of the character is still there. As shallow as it may seem, I can't help thinking that if they'd simply lightened her hair a little the recast would not seemed so off and she would have she would have stood out more from Tyne. She did have a blonde wig as part of her hooker gear and seemed more "right" wearing it.Meg Foster's incarnation of Chris has taken two or three full episodes to click with me. Not because she's awful (she's not) nor because the nuances are different (they are, but the heart of the character is still there). The initial overwhelming thing of note is that physically she could not be more different to Loretta Swit. Foster is younger, and resembles Swit not one little bit.
I noticed that, too. There was one moment in particular, a punch I think, that was accompanied by an unmistakable Batman musical effect. But if I saw Riddle's name in the credits I didn't make the connection. I'll look out for it in the next one.Nelson Riddle is my biggest bugbear of this era. He keeps it reigned in for much of the episode, but when it matters he goes all out Batman on us. The score during fight scenes is as subtle as a sledgehammer, with brassy stings that punctuate every physical contact. All that's missing are colourful on-screen cards reading "Pow!" "Klunk!" and ""Splatt!".
That was my other big takeaway. I'd quite forgotten that Samuels was so nasty in these episodes. Quite a contrast to the proud mentor he becomes later on.At work, the undercurrent of sexism continues, such as Samuels "upgrading" the two women to homicide, feeling that the crime scene is so messy they'll have less complaint about going undercover as sex workers (he takes glee in sharing his motives with male colleagues as soon as they're out of earshot).
I've now finally resumed my own much-delayed and no doubt what will continue to be sporadic rewatch so I'm now in a position to offer some more recent impressions.
I fear that I have been overly harsh about Meg Foster's suitability. As you say, the heart of the character is still there.
As shallow as it may seem, I can't help thinking that if they'd simply lightened her hair a little the recast would not seemed so off and she would have she would have stood out more from Tyne.
I noticed that, too. There was one moment in particular, a punch I think, that was accompanied by an unmistakable Batman musical effect.
I'd quite forgotten that Samuels was so nasty in these episodes. Quite a contrast to the proud mentor he becomes later on.
I'm glad to see that. Now I don't feel quite so foolish suggesting it.Gless: She was not butch at all. It's just that she and Tyne Daly were too similar. There was no contrast between the two. They should have put a blond wig on her.
... only to have an old crony come up and greet him ...donning a trench coat, hat and eyepatch,
I liked, too, that Harvey was seen in his own world and not just as an adjunct to Mary Beth's life.BEYOND THE GOLDEN DOOR
I love those episodes where Mary Beth and Harvey both independently go through a crisis in their two separate worlds....[edit].... One thing that didn't sit well was the live pigeon, which appeared to be genuinely tangled upside down in wire.
I'm not sure that was real pigeon in all the scenes. He seemed to pull it loose very easily when he finally got there. I was more concerned about it being smothered inside his jacket.
Samuels already seems to be mellowing toward the "girls", as he calls them, defending their right to the "collar" and so forth. Of course it didn't hurt that they were showing up the FBI guy either.
And, is it my imagination, or have they actually lightened Foster's hair? Her portrayal of Cagney continues to impress with much more nuance in the softer moments than I remembered.
This episode seemed to have an oddly comedic tone. I suppose the banter between Isbecki and La Guardia could be classed as gallows humour but it extended to Mary Beth and Harvey's marital issues and even the scene where C&L are surrounded by the gang at the traffic lights, although the later one where they were being harassed as they returned to the car was quite harrowing.STREET SCENE
I'm really enjoying how each episode so far is sensitively highlighting a different sub-culture or community of people. The gang culture in this episode continues our tour.
Dallas's George O' Petrie appeared in this one, and I didn't even recognise him until he was pointed out to me (he had a great accent here).
They seem to have found the right balance this time between the lighter and more sombre moments with the ongoing saga of Chris's romantic escapades nicely interspersed between the unfolding drama of the family and the missing girl. It was odd to see Chris defending the downtrodden in her discussions with the prosecutor. She will take the opposite side when she begins dating defence lawyer David. Gail Strickland's role was different to the outspoken feminist types I'd seen her in before but she was most effective.SUFFER THE CHILDREN
I felt that they really hit their stride with this episode. All the characters were finally set and everything seemed to fall into place. It's a shame that's just where they were cancelled (the first time).BETTER THAN EQUAL
Yes. A good payoff (I hope) to the otherwise puzzling repetition of the point throughout the season.Mary Beth's smoking. There's a (possible) end to it here
He may have been going for Bernard Herrmann
I wrote my notes before reading your post. Nice to see we've come to some of the same conclusions.but I'm really going to miss Meg Foster
Gail Strickland's role was different to the outspoken feminist types I'd seen her in before but she was most effective.
I felt that they really hit their stride with this episode. All the characters were finally set and everything seemed to fall into place. It's a shame that's just where they were cancelled (the first time).
the sort of detached harridan I more associate with Jessica Walter
I did find it odd that the irony - if not the downright hypocrisy of her making a lucrative and potentially political career out of campaigning for women to stay in the kitchen was not examined.
I wrote my notes before reading your post. Nice to see we've come to some of the same conclusions.![]()
Season Two - The True Beginning
WITNESS TO AN INCIDENT
Again, I wrote my comments before reading yours. Although I advocated for the "safe" approach, for myself I agree. Probably just as well I'm not a producer.The most noteworthy thing about Gless is that even though she is very different to the previous Cagneys (especially her direct predecessor), there's nothing jarring about her presence here. It just feels like she's been there all the time. I 100% believe that she's got a long history with Mary Beth and that she's been sharing banter with the guys in the office for aeons. The chemistry is that good. By the end of the first act the two women are in conflict. It could have been perceived as Tyne Daly arguing with some unknown actress playing a bitchy version of Chris Cagney. The safe thing to do would be to hold off on this episode for a few weeks until the relationship is more established. And yet within the space of those first ten minutes, I was so convinced by this relationship between colleagues and friends that I'm completely invested in the schism that comes with the fallout. I can't think of any other recast that has been this immediately convincing.
I'd forgotten about that but, as I noted, they did acknowledge Mary Beth's experience.One note… Chris is asked if she's ever shot anyone and replies that she hasn't. Back in the Pilot, she fired two shots into someone who was attacking her. Either the Pilot is considered non-canon or the powers that be have forgotten a pretty significant fact. My feeling is that it's probably deliberately been forgotten and retconned out so that Gless gets to have that moment where Chris shoots someone for the first time. But that's for another episode…
Agreed. Currently my C&L DVDs are on the shelf taking up the space where Knots seasons 3-9 would be.I consider Cagney & Lacey the "Knots Landing" of the cop-shows
I'm thinking especially of a Family Ties episode in which she (Gail Strickland) played a equal rights campaigner.Interesting. I always instantly associate her with the role of Jane and Syd's mother from Melrose Place and don't remember seeing her in too much else, barring a short lived medical show called Heartbeat and a few episodes of Dallas. She made an impression on me in C&L. Maybe I should look out for some of her outspoken feminist roles too.
That's nice....but also very sadCurrently my C&L DVDs are on the shelf taking up the space where Knots seasons 3-9 would be
"One of or own" turns out to be someone we've never heard of before, making it difficult to emotionally connect with the loss.ONE OF OUR OWN
BEAUTY BURGLARS
Yes. That would apply to all of them, which is probably why I couldn't identify them with any one role straight away.Christine Belford - one of the reliable actors who seemed to do the rounds of practically every tv show during the Seventies and Eighties.
I suppose it was bound to happen sooner or later: the Laceys' hitherto separate worlds collide in a case of murder and corruption involving some of Harvey's former construction colleaguesHIGH STEEL
Yes, quite a jolt.The most shocking moment in the episode comes when Mary Beth won't let go once Harv has reached her. So… he punches her.
And there is a nice performance from Conchata Ferrell (from Knots Landing's "Hitchhike" two-parter) as a grieving widow. She really is a good actress. It's a shame that she will probably only be remembered for Two and a Half Men.
A punning title referring to the "erotic" phone service where a number of murder victims were employed.HOTLINE
Yes, I guess that's what I was trying to say.dispense with a separate B-story and instead tie the subplots neatly into the main storyline. It makes for great tv.
I also remember her (Conchata Ferrell) in the short-lived Lindsay Wagner series A Peaceable Kingdom. David Ackroyd was in that as well - small world.I was re-watching her L.A. Law episodes recently. She was part of the core cast for a season, so it was the show where I first noticed her. I watched her in that a couple of years before I finally got round to watching those first seasons of Knots in the early-mid Nineties. She seems a very reliable and quite charismatic actress.
Like I said, this is the first episode I ever saw.INTERNAL AFFAIRS
I had the same problem. We even have a suburb here called Berwick, pronounced "berrick".All the characters pronounce it "burr-wick" which sounds strange to me compared with the British "berrick".
Very 80s. It reminded me of Pam's jazzercise studio in Dallas (or whatever they called it).There's a great scene where the culprit then the gun-toting women burst into a dance class.
I thought it was that. The Valkyries - great metaphor.We have some great Cagney scenes. We see Chris sitting on her apartment floor drinking wine and listening to Wagner (Die Walküre, if you're wondering.)
Just to be sure I checked IMDb. Catherine Schreiber played Shelley in four episodes: One of Our Own, High Steel, Internal Affairs and, oddly, Mr. Lonelyhearts, the one after this. I'll be interested to see if there's any follow up or if it was just shown out of order.Or to have the leak be someone who has appeared in a few episodes.
Indeed.one of the best episodes yet.
A more emotional case than usual, with the title character being the target of the type of scam which younger viewers may be surprised to discover was not invented on the internet.MR. LONELYHEARTS
Her name was in the credits and I did spot her in the background a couple of times but I doubt that I would have noticed if I wasn't looking for her. In fact, this episode has a number of scenes which appear in the opening sequence which makes it pretty likely that it was filmed early on. It might be interesting to watch them one time in production order to see if they make more sense that way.Catherine Schreiber played Shelley in four episodes: One of Our Own, High Steel, Internal Affairs and, oddly, Mr. Lonelyhearts, the one after this. I'll be interested to see if there's any follow up or if it was just shown out of order.