When Did Dallas Start Becoming Predictable?

Kenny Coyote

Telly Talk Star
The dream season and the following season were when I think Dallas started becoming predictable more often than before. Swan Song even has some of it such as the Ray and Donna situation.

In Swan Song Ray and Donna go to Southfork after the celebration party for the Ewings winning in court, retaining Ewing Oil after proving Cliff and Jamie's claim to it was invalid, and proving Jock did not steal Ewing Oil from Digger or Jason.

Ray is very happy because he helped Bobby and JR prove Jock was not a thief. Ray helped, they won and he has every reason to be very content. Then the following exchange taks place in the Southfork living room between Ray and Donna.

Ray: Quite a night, huh?

Donna: A rousing one for the good guys? Finally put old Cliff Barnes in his place once and for all?

It's just so typical of Donna. Ray helped do something good, he succeeded, and instead of congratulating him, or at least being happy for him, she's sarcastic and bitter. This couple is clearly doomed. Always has been.

Donna, who constantly enjoys success after success, cannot stand it when Ray finally has some success of his own. She had done her best to try to keep Ray from even attempting to help because she didn't think he was capable enough. Much to Donna's dismay, Ray stood up for what he wanted to do, did it successfully and Donna just could not stand being proved wrong. So instead of helping celebrate a triumph for her husband at the after party, Donna becomes the proverbial wet blanket on the party, the dampener on the festivities, the rain on Ray's parade. Anyone could have seen their inevitable divorce coming.

The Mandy Winger and JR storyline is one of the best examples of Dallas becoming predictable. In season 8 they had a romance that took a long time to get going because Mandy was so hesitant about breaking up JR's marriage and also hesitant about accepting gifts from him. JR offered her a condo and she turned it down, saying she couldn't be bought. Unlike Sue Ellen who didn't have a job in any of the first eight seasons, Mandy is a woman who feels the need to make her own money and not be dependent on anyone supporting her.

In Swan Song there a scene with Mandy and JR where it seems they're actually going to give JR a character arc:

JR: You know, all my life, the chase has been the most important thing to me. I'd be infatuated with someone for a while and when I achieved my goal, I couldn't wait to get away.

Mandy: (looks scared) JR...?

JR: Darling, what I'm saying to you is, it's different with you. I want you now more than ever. I cant't tell you what a wonderful feeling that is.

Mandy: I suppose that's a compliment. No matter how I try to rationalize it, you're still married.

JR: It won't be long until Sue Ellen is gone from Southfork for good.

Mandy: Are you sure that's the right thing to do? I feel really terrible about doing this to your marriage.

JR: But the die is cast now; there's no going back.

Except of course they did go back to what was familiar and safe, or they thought it was safe anyway.

This had the potential to be something new and exciting for the show. It was astounding. JR had actually found a woman he loved enough to treat her well, and to not feel the need for the chase - to have what he did not have. That could have been such an interesting character arc for us to witness but no, that would have been just too much change for Dallas at a time when they feared exactly what they desperately needed - any type of long term character arc illustrating personal growth in a character.

They'd done a good job of setting up this long range storyline only to sabotage it in season 9 by having Mandy act impulsively and in a way that was out of character to everything they had invested into building up her character. They had Mandy turn on JR and start spying in him for Cliff. JR finds out and says "You tried ruin me." It's the last thing Mandy of season 8 would have wanted to do, but they had to figure out some way to end their romance whether it was in character or even believable, just for the purpose of keeping each character firmly entrenched in the same circumstances, keeping self-improvement or personal growth an impossibility.

Doing something wildly out of character, creating drama just for the sake of it whether it made sense or not, was done for the purpose of keeping things the same. If there was ever a more brutally dysfunctional couple on TV than JR and Sue Ellen, I'm glad I never saw them. Despite all that, JR and Sue Ellen absolutely had to stay together, apparently whether either of them enjoyed it or not. Nothing could change. It led to predictability but somewhere along the line they got the notion that predictability equals success.

They were clearly afraid of having any type of character arc for the main stars. Everything had to remain the same. Bobby, who claims to hate lies and secrecy more than anything, starts seeing Pam behind Jenna's back after proposing to marry Jenna and her accepting! Why wouldn't he have some integrity and keep his word? Because Bobby marrying Jenna would have created a change!

Once again, they'd decided everything in Dallas must remain the same. That wasn't their M.O. when they were doing well, because they took chances then, such as when they had Ray turn out to be Jock's son. Somewhere along the line the writers and producers afraid of having any meaningful change take place. So sure, have Bobby who values honesty above all else do all of that to Jenna, just so long as it retains the status quo.

There had to have been some type of meaningful change to have kept being either the most watched or second most watched show on TV, but they chose to keep everything the same as much as they could and it became not just predictable, but monotonous. There has to be some type of meaningful change to keep things exciting!

By season nine, the only time they had any meaningful change is when they were literally forced into it when a star like Patrick Duffy or Victoria Principal quit the show. That's how reluctant they were to having any variation. Change had to literally be forced upon them.

In fact, they brought Bobby back from the dead because having Bobby die was just too much change for them, apparently. Everything had to remain the same, except of course for the size of their audience which diminished rapidly as they caught on to the fact that Dallas had become monotonous and predictable.
 
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Chris2

Telly Talk Dream Maker
I agree with your post, Kenny. I thought the predictability was setting in during season 7 when they did yet another storyline about control for Ewing Oil, and the Ewings beat Cliff. But it was happening as early as the end of season 4, when JR and Sue Ellen were reconciling after their divorce. There was no reason to get the two of them together again, other than having the status quo at Southfork (and the writers not knowing what to do with a Sue Ellen who didn’t live at Southfork). Dallas tended to have trouble integrating new characters into the story; here was an opportunity to give JR a new wife and the family a new member. Instead, it was back to the old wife.
 
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Willie Oleson

Telly Talk Schemer
If there was ever a more brutally dysfunctional couple on TV than JR and Sue Ellen, I'm glad I never saw them
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Now you've seen them.
 

Snarky Oracle!

Telly Talk Supreme
DALLAS became sometimes exhaustingly predictable almost right away. At least when Paulsen came in, that predictability became slightly less predictable.

I can handle Sue Ellen and JR marrying and divorcing and marrying and divorcing, and I can handle everybody getting shot while their plane crashes. But those early episode-ending close-ups on JR after he's "won again" got tiresome fast, at least until there came a little variation on it.
 

Seaviewer

Telly Talk Warrior
I agree that Dallas became repetitive but I wouldn't call it predictable. I was never sure whether JR and Sue Ellen or Bobby and Pam would reunite one more time, and, say what you will about the quality, some of those last seasons' plots were unexpected.
 

Kenny Coyote

Telly Talk Star
DALLAS became sometimes exhaustingly predictable almost right away.

Maybe, but it sure didn't cause a problem then, did it? It's hard to criticize them for accomplishing their objective.

say what you will about the quality, some of those last seasons' plots were unexpected.

I think there's a correlation there. Quality was expected and the lack of it in the last seasons was unexpected, at least for a while. The Haleyville storyline was unexpected, but not in a good way. There is a good type of unexpected and a bad type of unexpected.

Eventually it got to where some people were probably surprised when they saw a good storyline like the tanker collision in season 13.
 

Laurie Marr

Telly Talk Well-Known Member
Ownership of Ewing Oil being in peril every Season started to dilute the suspense somewhat. Even at the time I recall emitting a heavy sigh when the seemingly interminable Jamie Ewing dispute got underway.
 

Chris2

Telly Talk Dream Maker
I rolled my eyes when we suddenly found out that the previously-unmentioned Jason Ewing was partners with Digger and Jock. Talk about a rewrite of history.
 

Jimmy Todd

Telly Talk Mega Star
For me it was definitely season 7. When Sue Ellen decided she was just going tt live at SF and be married in name only to JR. She then very easily have up drinking. The sense of urgency to their actions that was so palpable in season 6 was gone.
Then when they repeated the "Who Shot JR" scenario with Bobby, I just thought, "now they're not even trying anymore."
They even made the shooter the scorned Sister in law (again), had her plant the gun in their sibling (again), and involved a suspect too drunk to fully remember what happened(again).
After Bobby was dream-murdered by Katherine and the first half of season 9, it looked as if Dallas would become less predictable, but that didn't last.
However, Dallas still had great characters, actors, and great chemistry to sustain itself, but even that didn't last as they got rid of people in the ensuing seasons.
I think after season 6, you could watch almost any episode in any sequence and pick up the plot in two seconds.
 

Chris2

Telly Talk Dream Maker
I have to admit - I really liked the Who Shot Bobby? cliffhanger, because it was so unexpected - to me - that he was the victim this time. But I agree - once you found out it was him, the resolution itself was dull. You knew damned well it was going to be Katherine. Who else would want to kill our poor Bobby?
 

Kenny Coyote

Telly Talk Star
For me it was definitely season 7. When Sue Ellen decided she was just going tt live at SF and be married in name only to JR. She then very easily have up drinking. The sense of urgency to their actions that was so palpable in season 6 was gone.

Would you say season 6 was the last great season?

You knew damned well it was going to be Katherine. Who else would want to kill our poor Bobby?

I liked that they made it so the intended victim was uncertain. JR was feeling guilty thinking Bobby took those bullets meant for him and then we found out that Bobby was the intended victim.
 

Toni

Maximum Member
I consider predictability as part of the genre. It may be good (J.R. getting close to bankrupt every now and then) or bad (Sue Ellen falling off the wagon always). I think I wouldn´t like it so much if it hadn´t this element. I find it challenging intellectually. Come to hink that most of 357 "Dallas" episodes ended with a cliffhanger...

You could predict the outcome or not, but it was part of the game. If it had remained self-contained, I´d have eventually get bored by it. Continuity made the show what it was, and it demanded attention from the viewer in order to keep the relationship with them going on. That´s why the Dream solution failed miserably: it demanded TOO MUCH from the viewer, ie remembering what had happened one year earlier.

If I have to be 100% honest, I think that killing off Jock was predictable, because Jim Davis had died, and primetime dramas didn´t recast its leads (back then). Also, Sue Ellen going back to J.R. and Cliff being ruined by J.R. before trying to commit suicide. This had the word "predictable" written on it. IMO, that was the first critical point of the show. Katzman & Paulsen saved it by creating the masterful storyline of the battle for Ewing Oil. Which was as unpredictable as it could be...
 

Jimmy Todd

Telly Talk Mega Star
Would you say season 6 was the last great season?

Yes, imho, season 6 was the last great season. Well written and acted. It also seemed the last time when things happened to the characters they felt as if they mattered. Bobby had been more upset in the past about JR ruining Cliff Barnes than he seemed to be at the prospect of being permanently blind.
 

Michael Torrance

Telly Talk Mega Star
Once DALLAS went from a self-contained series of episodes to a night-time soap, predictability set it, because as @Toni said, that is part of the genre. I mean, DALLAS was already quite predictable even in the self-contained episodes when it was obvious J.R. would end up winning every time. In fact, predictability is what soap viewers--and viewers in general--expect. On a crime drama, you expect the police to solve the crime and the perpetrator to be locked away. On DALLAS, you expect that even though everyone knows J.R. is not to be trusted, they are complete idiots and fall for his tricks again.

DALLAS' creativity early on was to challenge that in-built predictability and made the viewers doubt whether their understanding of the genre was enough to figure out the curve balls thrown by the writers. Yes, J.R. is on top in business, but is Sue Ellen carrying his child, or Cliff's? The Barnes are just white trash, but what about the absent mother who is suddenly the head of a powerful conglomerate? And as already mentioned, the battle for Ewing Oil was another twist. I think Bobby's death was the ultimate gift for the show in terms of having a chance to defy expectations. And the dream resolution showed that they no longer cared about challenging the in-built predictability of the genre, but they embraced it. And that was the end of it.
 

Taylor Bennett Jr.

Telly Talk Winner
I have to admit - I really liked the Who Shot Bobby? cliffhanger, because it was so unexpected - to me - that he was the victim this time. But I agree - once you found out it was him, the resolution itself was dull. You knew damned well it was going to be Katherine. Who else would want to kill our poor Bobby?

I guess they could get away with stuff like that before the internet, but when they re-used the exact footage of the police car approaching and the (absurdly large) crowd of people outside the Ewing building for Bobby's shooting as for JR's 4 years earlier, it was a sign that they were starting to mail it in...

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(hey, at least they used a different take with a few additional concerned young ladies for Bobby - true to form!)
 

Lastkidpicked

Telly Talk Dream Maker
I have to admit - I really liked the Who Shot Bobby? cliffhanger, because it was so unexpected - to me - that he was the victim this time.

This is one time when I wish more of you had the chance to see Dallas during it's original run. With no spoilers and no idea what was going to happen next.

I still remember this scene. Go in the wayback machine with me for some fun!

You are at a Dallas party, complete with shag carpeting, a billiards table, and a fondue pot!

At the Dallas party, it was just like the lead-up to the "Who Shot J.R.?" episode.

J.R. is making everybody angry enough to shoot him:

Katherine Wentworth swears revenge when J.R. breaks up her and Bobby.

Martha Randolf is on her way to Dallas to confront J.R. about him ruining the life of her husband, Edgar. She has a gun with her.

Peter Richards has drugs planted on him by J.R's goons. As he is dragged away, he yells "I'll kill you! I swear I will kill you!"

Over at Barnes-Wentworth, Von Leland is ready to foreclose on Cliff. But then Cliff's wells come in and they are gushers! Von says, "J.R. and his dirty schemes. The man has crucified me. Cliff now has enough money to crush me." And he heads off to confront J.R.

And then, at the Dallas party, you watch as a silent assassin sneaks up to J.R.'s office. This is just like last time!

And the assassin slowly opens the door to J.R.'s office. Oh, no! He is going to be shot, just like last time!

And so many people in Dallas have the motive that we don't know who is approaching J.R.'s chair tos shoot him. Tensions run high as the killer shoots through the back of J.R's chair.

BANG BANG BANG!

Just like last time.

And the chair slowly turns around as out tumbles . . . Bobby!

Wow! Back then we did NOT see that coming!

Can't wait to see you at next Friday's Dallas party to see what happens!
 

Taylor Bennett Jr.

Telly Talk Winner
I rolled my eyes when we suddenly found out that the previously-unmentioned Jason Ewing was partners with Digger and Jock. Talk about a rewrite of history.

yeah, it really seemed like they abruptly shoehorned in a complete revision of the origin story as an excuse to give us a couple of younger Ewings who looked good in swimwear and a half-season worth of storyline.

Part of the intrigue of the Jock/Digger story was that nobody really knew exactly what happened back then - even Jock and Digger's recollections/versions weren't entirely reliable and comprehensive nearly 50 years later, even if it was hinted from time to time that Jock's version was closer to the full truth.

Think of Jock's "real power is something you take" speech to Bobby (and Bobby's reaction) in that context and it's more interesting - what did he mean by that? "You're damn right I took it, it's mine!" I think spelling things out later with Jock so clearly in the right, to the point of near-sainthood, was something of a copout.

The whole Jason nonsense is not canon to me!
 
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Kenny Coyote

Telly Talk Star
yeah, it really seemed like they abruptly shoehorned in a complete revision of the origin story as an excuse to give us a couple of younger Ewings who looked good in swimwear and a half-season worth of storyline.

Part of the intrigue of the Jock/Digger story was that nobody really knew exactly what happened back then - even Jock and Digger's recollections/versions weren't entirely reliable and comprehensive nearly 50 years later, even if it was hinted from time to time that Jock's version was closer to the full truth.

Think of Jock's "real power is something you take" speech to Bobby (and Bobby's reaction) in that context and it's more interesting - what did he mean by that? "You're damn right I took it, it's mine!" I think spelling things out later with Jock so clearly in the right, to the point of near-sainthood, was something of a copout.

The whole Jason nonsense is not canon to me!

That was one of the things that was great about season 8 - we finally got a definitive answer to what happened as to why Jock ended up with all of Ewing Oiland Digger didn't. They did a good job of keeping it somewhat mysterious up until then and then finally we got the payoff in season 8 when we learn what really happened. That was brilliant how they kept us strung along for that much time before wrapping it up!

Real power is something you take - that's my favorite Jock Ewing scene in Dallas and probably the part of Dallas I find most profound because there's a life lesson to be learned from it that's of immense value. I'd put it right up there with some of the things I learned when I was earning my degree in Business. If I didn't already have that background I don't know that I'd have understood it so clearly though, so I'll go into more detail than what the scene gave you for anyone who might find it to be of value in their lives:

If power is given, it's a privilege, something that can be taken away just as easily as it as given - therefore "If I gave you power then you've got nothing"! A man can only take pride and know that what he has is real when it's earned. Not given...earned. Jock was allowing Bobby to run Ewing Oil. Bobby only had power to run it as long as Jock allowed Bobby to run it. When Bobby displayed the poor judgement of confronting and berating his father in front of his father's friends, Jock decided Bobby needed to be reminded of the difference between having power over a company because you've created it, and having power over it because the man who owns and created the company is allowing you to to run it.

When Jock says "Real power is something you take" the word "take" is meant in the most positive sense of the word. It's meant in the sense of: Take initiative. Take control of your life. If you want real power over a company then go and do those things yourself. Don't ask for a handout. If you want real power, then you take initiative, take control of your life by creating your own company so that your power in running that company any way you see fit is your right - not a privilege. Or you can work for me. It's up to you. If you do choose to work for me just don't confuse filling in for your brother because he's been shot as being on par with being promoted to that position through merit.
 

Taylor Bennett Jr.

Telly Talk Winner
That was one of the things that was great about season 8 - we finally got a definitive answer to what happened as to why Jock ended up with all of Ewing Oiland Digger didn't. They did a good job of keeping it somewhat mysterious up until then and then finally we got the payoff in season 8 when we learn what really happened. That was brilliant how they kept us strung along for that much time before wrapping it up!

I was pretty sure that would get a response from Kenny C! :)

I liked the ambiguity of the Jock/Digger backstory, and the little bits that would emerge here and there ('Wild' Bill Orloff, Tom Owens, Jonas Culver) to let us know that Jock was quite ruthless on the way up. A lot of that was seen through Bobby's eyes as he gradually realized his dad was a lot more like JR than he would have liked to admit. I thought that was the main thrust of the scene in the office where Jock asked JR whether he knew about the nationalization of the Asian wells, and accepted his obviously dishonest answer. Scenes like that one and the 'real power' speech would always show idealistic Bobby looking deflated and disgusted as JR would look on like "see, I told you that's how Daddy is!"

I thought it made more sense for Jock's acceptance of JR's Asian Revolution denial to be the reason for Bobby to leave Southfork at the end of Season 3, rather than piddly little Ewing 23 and its royalties. It's probably giving the writers too much credit for subtlety to speculate that they intended Bobby's fixation on Ewing 23 at that moment to be a case of his not being willing to admit to himself and others that the true reason for leaving was that his image of his father as a fair, honest man had been shattered.

Anyway, I thought the resolution of the Jock/Digger story didn't match up with the tone of the first few years, and wasn't very interesting or satisfying (why wouldn't Jock have just said "Digger and Jason gave up their rights to Ewing Oil, then I sold it to Wallace Windham and worked to get it back" all that time? ..or whatever the story turned out to be), but we all have different views as fans!
 
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