Dallas Character Bobby's Temper

Kenny Coyote

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Bobby had a terrible temper and used to routinely punch people out whenever he felt like it. Why is it then, that aside from one relatively early episode, he never hit Cliff? After all, Cliff did so many things to take advantage of Pam, he lied to her constantly, and most importantly to Bobby, Cliff actively tried to ruin their marriage so she would divorce Bobby. It would have been very satisfying to see Bobby treat Cliff the way he treated everyone else who did things to hurt Pam, his marriage to Pam, or even much lesser things. I found it out of character that Bobby let Cliff get away with so much regarding his interference in their marriage or even the many times Cliff mistreated Pam. Bobby made a lot of threats to Cliff such as how he would beat him up badly if he ever saw another tear in Pam's eye because of Cliff, but Bobby never followed through!
 

Toni

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I don't often come across someone who describes Bobby as annoying although I agree he could be annoying at times. I'm curious, what about Bobby annoyed you?

Not enough shower scenes. :cool1
 

Presea

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I don't often come across someone who describes Bobby as annoying although I agree he could be annoying at times. I'm curious, what about Bobby annoyed you?
Just about frickin' everything!! Bobby's stupid goody two-shoes routine was so annoying! He could also be a major hypocrite about it when he payed people off and played dirty during the contest! (Although I did like that evil side of him.) When Jock gave Bobby Ewing Oil in season 4 (dvd), he first got all snotty about it and thought he had a right to run things his way even though Jock still owned Ewing Oil! And then, he whines and wants out of it when he realizes that he can't take the heat! And then, surprise surprise, Bobby goes back to wanting Ewing Oil AGAIN after Jock's will is read! He even had the nerve to say that Ewing Oil was something that "rightfully" belonged to Christopher! Umm...nooo, it doesn't! John Ross was the older and true Ewing son of that generation, so he deserved it! While I will admit that Bobby was mostly pretty nice to Pam, there were some things that he was really stupid about there! I hated how he would just magically gravitate towards Jenna and make out with her even when he was still married to Pam! He didn't even stop to think that Pam might be hurt to see him moving on with Jenna and getting ready to marry her so soon after the divorce! He was also incredibly stupid to just blindly believe in the letter without even asking Pam about it first! Although I suppose it had to be that way for the storyline to work. I also could not stand how he was with Katherine! Katherine gives him Ewing Oil on a silver platter and Bobby won't even take her out on one date to thank her! (Not that I actually wanted to see Bobby with Katherine. She deserved better than this moron.) Yeah, I know that Katherine doesn't deserve to be rewarded for breaking up his marriage, but Bobby didn't know about that then! Even though Bobby claimed that he could never get involved with his sister in law, I have no doubt he would have screwed with Katherine for a while before dumping her like he did with almost all of those other post Pam women if Jenna hadn't shown up! He was just that needy. And how could he keep using the sister in law excuse AFTER his divorce!? Hello, stupid! She's not your sister in law anymore! Bobby continued to get Katherine's hopes up by meeting her all of the time. He should have quit after he told her that he didn't feel the same way. But, nooo! Bobby was also really stupid not to tell Pam or someone else what was going on after he told Katherine that her love for him was sick. It was obvious that Katherine was extremely depressed and needed help, not insults! Bobby was a loser who just pretended to be Katherine's friend just so that he could use her to get the Tundra Torque and some oil fields! When Pam disappeared from the hospital, Bobby did not even attempt to search for her! He just blindly believed yet ANOTHER letter without any suspicions, even after seeing Katherine there! And as soon as he got divorced again, Bobby proceeded to screw with tons of boring women! He turns into a total hypocrite by marrying April, which breaks his claim of him not being with any woman that JR has already screwed with! Bobby's temper was a real turn off. He needed anger management. And I couldn't stand how he treated JR! I don't know about anyone else, but there is no way in heck that I would ever get away with continually lecturing and using physical violence against MY older sister! Bobby was no Prince Charming, in my opinion. But he was still entertaining to watch. Until Pam left, that is. I hate Bobby and I love to hate him!
 

Kenny Coyote

Telly Talk Star
Katherine gives him Ewing Oil on a silver platter

That brings up an interesting thought: Without Katherine's help, Bobby couldn't have gotten the Tundra Torque and he would have lost the contest.

When Jock gave Bobby Ewing Oil in season 4 (dvd), he first got all snotty about it and thought he had a right to run things his way even though Jock still owned Ewing Oil! And then, he whines and wants out of it when he realizes that he can't take the heat! And then, surprise surprise, Bobby goes back to wanting Ewing Oil AGAIN after Jock's will is read! He even had the nerve to say that Ewing Oil was something that "rightfully" belonged to Christopher! Umm...nooo, it doesn't! John Ross was the older and true Ewing son of that generation, so he deserved it!

It's true that after using JR getting shot to try to permanently take JR's job (despite initially insisting he would only run it until JR recovered) Bobby then did what you said, saying he wanted out of it and saying JR was much better at it than he ever wanted to be.

Bobby won't even take her out on one date to thank her! (Not that I actually wanted to see Bobby with Katherine. She deserved better than this moron.) Yeah, I know that Katherine doesn't deserve to be rewarded for breaking up his marriage, but Bobby didn't know about that then! Even though Bobby claimed that he could never get involved with his sister in law, I have no doubt he would have screwed with Katherine for a while before dumping her

I think the reason Bobby wouldn't take her out on a date to thank her is he didn't want to give Katherine the idea that he wanted to date her at all. I don't agree that Bobby would have screwed Katherine for a while and then dumped her. He wasn't attracted to her.

When Pam disappeared from the hospital, Bobby did not even attempt to search for her!

Yes he did. He was trying to find her and had set up a meeting with a Wentworth executive to try to get additional help to find Pam. The executive gave Bob a letter from Pam where she wrote she didn't ever want to see him or Christopher again and wanted a divorce. She'd already divorced him once. He wasn't about to go through that agin, to try to convince her to come back to him and then just have her leave again. Pam was indecisive and Bobby was tired of it. When he vowed "til death do you part" he meant it. Pam moved out three times and divorced Bobby twice. There is only so much of that a man is going to take.

I don't think Bobby should have remarried Pam at all, after her being so juvenile as to blame him for Rebecca's death while holding Cliff blameless. If she's going to blame Bobby by saying Rebecca wouldn't have taken the flight if it wasn't for the contest then she should have blamed Cliff every bit as much for Rebecca's death. That was Cliff's flight and Rebecca only went because Cliff got so drunk he forgot about it, so Rebecca decided to do Cliff's job for him and took Cliff's place on the plane.

It was another instance of Pam overlooking anything negative that Cliff did, and remaining loyal to him. Pam was far more loyal to Cliff than Bobby and Bobby was her husband. I guess when Bob married Pam and each vowed "til death do us part" that he was expecting a certain amount of loyalty from her that one would hope be at least as great as the loyalty she had for her brother. Just imagine if Bobby had placed his loyalty to JR above his loyalty to Pam! People would have thought it was ridiculous. Bobby said he would always put his loyalty to his wife first, ahead of his loyalty to anyone else. Too bad Pam didn't reciprocate.

He turns into a total hypocrite by marrying April, which breaks his claim of him not being with any woman that JR has already screwed with!

He wasn't being a hypocrite; he decided it was dumb to not consider romancing a woman who had previously had a romance with JR. He realized April was a woman who genuinely would place him as her first priority, and not consider her loyalty to her sister, for example, as more important than her loyalty to Bobby. That's the only way a marriage can be successful - for your spouse to be the person you're more loyal to than anyone else. if you know you're only second or third on someone's priority list, why get married?

And as soon as he got divorced again, Bobby proceeded to screw with tons of boring women!

Pam had divorced him, so he was free to sleep with "a ton of boring women" if he wanted to. Anyway, I don't think Bobby considered them boring. He waited to be divorced before starting another relationship, which is something Pam didn't do.

I don't see Bobby as negatively as you do. He was an excellent husband to Pam and a great father to Christopher. As a brother, he wasn't especially good. I agree with you about what he did to JR after he'd been shot. Using that as a way to try to steal his job when he'd pretended to only be taking the job until JR recovered was very low. When Bobby got shot and was blinded, JR refused to take advantage of his situation, and he explained to John Ross why he wouldn't take advantage of his brother while he was recovering from being shot. Maybe that's why Donna's presence there while Bobby was recovering from being shot was so insulting. I wish JR had asked Bobby: "Why are you appointing Donna to take your place in the office? I didn't appoint anyone to look after my interests when I'd been shot. Or is that it? Are you expecting me to to try to take advantage of you being shot the same way you did to me when I was shot"?
 
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lbf522

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I myself never had much use for Bobby who I saw as a bully and a thug and mindless hothead who seemed to be more loyal to Pamela and Cliff than to his own family. His reason for leaving Southfork was dumb. I could understand if was because he felt that he and his wife should live in their own home but to leave for Cliff who had done thing but go after the Ewings even to the point of trying to try and have Jock convicted of murder. JR had done the right thing shutting down that oil field. The Ewings owed Cliff nothing.

I get we were supposed to see JR and Bobby as ying and yang but for me I rooted for JR more often than for Bobby. Yes he was good to Sue Ellen who turned on him more than once and he deserved applause for rescuing Lucy from her kidnapper and helped Jock save the family form those two rednecks.

He was a total jerk to JR and Ray when they were still in mourning over Jock. My thing is I decided how I mourn and for how long.

Going back to loyalty, Bobby seemed to have more loyalty to Pamela and Cliff than to his own family. Like during that stupid voting shares storyline where he voted JR out after what he did to Cliff. After everything Cliff had done to the Ewings, none of them should have cared what JR did him. I know he loved Pamela but her kidnapping his brother's child he should have been more loyal to his brother. I agree that Bobby did take advantage after JR had been shot and took the reigns of Ewing Oil and would not let go of it.
 

Kenny Coyote

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I myself never had much use for Bobby who I saw as a bully and a thug and mindless hothead

The thing people hate most about bullies is their cowardice. Bullies aren't usually tough guys. A tough guy is usually one of he quietest people in the room because he doesn't feel any need to run his mouth, bragging about how tough he is and threatening how he'll "take you apart." He doesn't have to say what people already know. People treat him well because they respect him and once in a while when someone does something stupid to provoke him into a fight. People see exactly why he has a reputation as a tough guy.

If Bobby was a tough guy Mark Graison wouldn't bring flowers to Pam right in front of Bobby while Bobby does nothing. Naldo wouldn't threaten to take Jenna away from him no matter how he has to do it while Bobby does nothing. he says: "If I see ever see Naldo Marquetta again, I'll kill him." He does see Naldo again and doesn't lay a hand on him. Naldo has just married Jenna who looks too frightened to speak and Charlie is nowhere in sight on her mother's wedding day. Nothing suspicious about that, right?

Patrick Duffy was interviewed by Ultimate Dallas who asked him about the difference in Bobby's character - the wimpy pre-dream season Bobby and the more macho post-dream season Bobby. Here's the excerpt that deals with that.

UD - Bobby was far more macho post dream.

Patrick - Yep, that's what happened and became a Leonard Katzman decision. It wasn't ever discussed with me. It was never part of any arrangement for me coming back. Leonard is extenuating those parts of the character it was very nice for me. I don't know if I enjoyed the second part of Dallas more than the first, but it was different, so it was refreshing.

(later in the interview)

UD - It was that season. The season you returned.

Patrick - Yes, it was just the way things worked out. The Bobby character ascended a bit. Its show business, a lot of that is not decided on personal whim but what those people in charge decide will add another year longevity, another ratings point. If it hadn't worked in year nine I would have been back to wimpy Bobby. They call it show business for a reason, ultimately its the business.

********

The Bobby that returned to Dallas found out what Tommy McKay did to April, walked right into his house and beat the hell out of Tommy right in front of his sister. Bobby wasn't fighting an old man with desk job or a little weasel of a lawyer, he was fighting a tough young man who was fresh out of prison and the fight went on until one man was left standing. He actually fought for his lady.

Patrick Duffy described the change as "refreshing." I have to agree.
 

Swami

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Bobby had a terrible temper and used to routinely punch people out whenever he felt like it. Why is it then, that aside from one relatively early episode, he never hit Cliff? After all, Cliff did so many things to take advantage of Pam, he lied to her constantly, and most importantly to Bobby, Cliff actively tried to ruin their marriage so she would divorce Bobby. It would have been very satisfying to see Bobby treat Cliff the way he treated everyone else who did things to hurt Pam, his marriage to Pam, or even much lesser things. I found it out of character that Bobby let Cliff get away with so much regarding his interference in their marriage or even the many times Cliff mistreated Pam. Bobby made a lot of threats to Cliff such as how he would beat him up badly if he ever saw another tear in Pam's eye because of Cliff, but Bobby never followed through!

To be fair, the incident you refer to (when Bobby learns that Cliff may the father of John Ross), Cliff was lucky then that Bobby didn't beat him to a pulp.

Swami
 

Kenny Coyote

Telly Talk Star
To be fair, the incident you refer to (when Bobby learns that Cliff may the father of John Ross), Cliff was lucky then that Bobby didn't beat him to a pulp.

Swami

Bobby gave Cliff so many free passes it was ridiculous. Cliff might have impregnated his brother's wife, but apparently that wasn't bad enough. Cliff had Pam take money out of her and Bobby's bank account to use to stop Ewing Oil from drilling, costing them millions in the process. At that point Cliff was actively trying to create a problem in Bobby and Pam's marriage but again got a free pass from Bobby. Cliff tried to put Bobby's father in prison for a murder he didn't commit and that didn't warrant an ass kicking either? What exactly would it take? Would Cliff have had to try to blow up Southfork? What would Cliff have had to have done to get Bobby to actually take action?

Granted, grinding Cliff out underneath his heel was JR's specialty, and he did a remarkably good job of it, but at least once it would have been very satisfying to see Bobby give Cliff what he had coming to him.
 

Billy Wall

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I myself never had much use for Bobby who I saw as a bully and a thug and mindless hothead who seemed to be more loyal to Pamela and Cliff than to his own family. His reason for leaving Southfork was dumb. I could understand if was because he felt that he and his wife should live in their own home but to leave for Cliff who had done thing but go after the Ewings even to the point of trying to try and have Jock convicted of murder. JR had done the right thing shutting down that oil field. The Ewings owed Cliff nothing.

I get we were supposed to see JR and Bobby as ying and yang but for me I rooted for JR more often than for Bobby. Yes he was good to Sue Ellen who turned on him more than once and he deserved applause for rescuing Lucy from her kidnapper and helped Jock save the family form those two rednecks.

He was a total jerk to JR and Ray when they were still in mourning over Jock. My thing is I decided how I mourn and for how long.

Going back to loyalty, Bobby seemed to have more loyalty to Pamela and Cliff than to his own family. Like during that stupid voting shares storyline where he voted JR out after what he did to Cliff. After everything Cliff had done to the Ewings, none of them should have cared what JR did him. I know he loved Pamela but her kidnapping his brother's child he should have been more loyal to his brother. I agree that Bobby did take advantage after JR had been shot and took the reigns of Ewing Oil and would not let go of it.

For one, your first loyalty is supposed to be to your spouse, not your family. I agree that it was weak to leave Southfork over Cliff of all people.

And how was he a jerk to JR and Ray when Jock died? Bobby was the only one keeping the family afloat. Ray was turning into the town drunk while Southfork expenses wasn’t being paid and JR, the president of Ewing Oil, was absentee. Bobby was running both Southfork and Ewing Oil while two other grown ass men were crying over their daddy being gone.
 

Swami

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Bobby gave Cliff so many free passes it was ridiculous. Cliff might have impregnated his brother's wife, but apparently that wasn't bad enough. Cliff had Pam take money out of her and Bobby's bank account to use to stop Ewing Oil from drilling, costing them millions in the process. At that point Cliff was actively trying to create a problem in Bobby and Pam's marriage but again got a free pass from Bobby. Cliff tried to put Bobby's father in prison for a murder he didn't commit and that didn't warrant an ass kicking either? What exactly would it take? Would Cliff have had to try to blow up Southfork? What would Cliff have had to have done to get Bobby to actually take action?

Granted, grinding Cliff out underneath his heel was JR's specialty, and he did a remarkably good job of it, but at least once it would have been very satisfying to see Bobby give Cliff what he had coming to him.

He should definitely have got it for trying to frame Jock or conning Pam for a loan to thwart Ewing Oil business.

Swami
 

Kenny Coyote

Telly Talk Star
I know he loved Pamela but her kidnapping his brother's child he should have been more loyal to his brother.

That's right, Pam kidnapped John Ross and took him to Sue Ellen. That situation at The Southern Cross Ranch was really sick. Sue Ellen was living with two men who were in love with her. Dusty was going to marry her and then when that didn't work out, Clayton bought her an engagement ring! How could any father do that to his son? Dusty lived there with Clayton because like the Ewings, they were another ranching family. A man trying to sleep with his son's lover is almost like incest! I liked Clayton most of the time but that was really gross to even attempt that. Just think if Sue Ellen had said yes to Clayton and they'd had a child. Then Dusty would have ben in a situation where he'd had sex with the mother of his brother or sister. I guess Dusty wouldn't be expected to call Sue Ellen "mom." Can you imagine Thanksgivings at a house like that?
 

Swami

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That's right, Pam kidnapped John Ross and took him to Sue Ellen. That situation at The Southern Cross Ranch was really sick. Sue Ellen was living with two men who were in love with her. Dusty was going to marry her and then when that didn't work out, Clayton bought her an engagement ring! How could any father do that to his son? Dusty lived there with Clayton because like the Ewings, they were another ranching family. A man trying to sleep with his son's lover is almost like incest! I liked Clayton most of the time but that was really gross to even attempt that. Just think if Sue Ellen had said yes to Clayton and they'd had a child. Then Dusty would have ben in a situation where he'd had sex with the mother of his brother or sister. I guess Dusty wouldn't be expected to call Sue Ellen "mom." Can you imagine Thanksgivings at a house like that?

That was probably the only time JR made to throw a punch at Bobby, the scene at the pool when he slags off Pam to Bobby for taking John Ross away.

Swami
 

Sarah

Moderator Emerita
Bobby was right with some of his anger - punching JR out over various things for example, but Bobby was very hypocritical. Befriending and attempting to understand that evil cow Holly Harwood was one of the worst and I'm sorry but criticising and turning on Sue Ellen for shooting JR was a bit sanctimonius considering Bobby later said to JR 'You're always blaming others for things that are your own fault aren't you?'
 

Kenny Coyote

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Bobby was right with some of his anger - punching JR out over various things for example, but Bobby was very hypocritical. Befriending and attempting to understand that evil cow Holly Harwood was one of the worst and I'm sorry but criticising and turning on Sue Ellen for shooting JR was a bit sanctimonius considering Bobby later said to JR 'You're always blaming others for things that are your own fault aren't you?'

Punching out JR when JR made a joke Bobby didn't like or when Bobby lost all self composure because he didn't get his way is the reaction of a man so morally compromised that he approves of initiating the use of physical force against another man. Bobby has every right to decide to not to deal with JR or to even refuse to associate with JR. He also has the option to use discussion, persuasion, and voluntary, uncoerced agreement. Bobby is either so morally or intellectually bankrupt that he resorts to the initiation of physical force instead of any of those legally and morally acceptable alternatives. It's the precondition of a civilized society to bar the use of physical force from social relationships.

To say "Bobby turned on Sue Ellen" implies a betrayal of sorts. If Bobby had an allegiance to one over the other, it would be to his brother whom he loved-not to his sister-in-law whom he sometimes liked. Bobby owed Sue nothing. Sue Ellen was the woman who broke and entered into JR's home with the aid of an accomplice. Sue Ellen and her accomplice didn't stop there. Sue Ellen sicced her goon on JR, in JR's own home. JR asked Nick to leave, while holding a handgun for his own protection. JR chose not to use it. JR simply asked Sue and Nick to vacate his premises. Nicholas not only refused, but had the umitigated temerity to lunge at JR, while JR remained too merciful to shoot Nick. JR clearly didn't want to kill the man. He only requested that the two intruders leave his home. They refused.

The two of them struggled, the handgun no longer in the possession of either one of them, and JR continually tried to de-escalate the situation by putting distance between the two of them, rather than fight Nick. Eventually JR and Nick found their way to the balcony. Sue Ellen's goon took "courageously" took the fight to JR who must have been twenty years his senior, and in the process, fell over the balcony railing to his death.

Bobby showed remarkable restraint with the woman who not only participated in the commission of a number of felonies with her accomplice, but then on her own volition choose to shoot her husband three times. I wouldn't have been the least bit surprised to see Bobby slap the piss out of Sue Ellen right then for shooting JR and tell her to never set foot on Southfork again. Clearly her intent had been to murder Bobby's brother and John Ross' father. Considering that as well as the number of other felonies Sue Ellen participated in that night, the judge should have said to lock her up and throw away the key.
 

Kenny Coyote

Telly Talk Star
The last seasons of Dallas are cartoons, part of the canon but not part of reality.

That's a very good description. Do you think if after season 11 (DVD count) they'd realized that and made a real effort to get back to the older, more believable style, that they would have been able to? Why or why not?
 

southfork88

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Do you remember exactly Bobby when he was kidnapped? He was mistreated by everyone and cried in fear.

I was happy when the impulsive hero in him woke up, saving Cliff at the cost of his life.

This is the beginning of a Superman life, sometimes with some defect worthy of J.R. and other times to blame more than his brother.
 
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