Alison Carr
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it took me 7 weeks, was quite hardcore non stop viewing!
Complete rewatch complete
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James from London
International Treasure
Wow, that's impressive! It's taken me eight years and I still haven't finished!
DallasFanForever
Telly Talk Supreme
7 weeks is incredible @Darren Chivers!!
The quickest I’ve ever been able to do it in is about 6 months
The quickest I’ve ever been able to do it in is about 6 months
Grangehill1
Telly Talk Fan
The last rewatch I did took about 6 years. The early years tend to drag but once you hit season season 6 (dvd) everything just comes together and you can fly through episodes - they’re so compelling. Things get a little sluggish in season 8. I personally like season 9 (the dream) and things for me pick up again then.
Season 11 for me is easily the worst and very very difficult to watch. I like 12 and 13 and having rewatched season 14 actually liked that too
Season 11 for me is easily the worst and very very difficult to watch. I like 12 and 13 and having rewatched season 14 actually liked that too
tommie
Telly Talk Hero
That's an interesting point - when I watched Peyton Place last year I was actually fascinated watching Lola Albright cover for Dorothy Malone for like 20 or so episodes because it was interesting to see her take on the character; but on the other hand I knew it was only temporary (and if I didn't, the voice-over reminded me). I wonder how Donna Reed would've been perceived if she had just been billed as a temporary recast while BBG was on sick leave instead of a supposedly permanent one? I know that wasn't the plan at all, but maybe people would've been less harsh on her.
Alison Carr
Telly Talk Active Member
Seriously! lol, well I did skip the dream season so maybe that's how I beat you lol. I also managed a complete rewatch of Prisoner Cell Block H last year! This is what 3 lockdowns during a pandemic can do!
Alison Carr
Telly Talk Active Member
Did BBG ever speak out about her return or even mention/acknowledge Donna Reed?
Jock's Ghost
Telly Talk Well-Known Member
Yet nutty Diana did?
Seaviewer
Telly Talk Warrior
Good point. Diana's railings against her situation were a good part of the character's makeup.
Lastkidpicked
Telly Talk Dream Maker
This change in actors was doomed from the start and here is why:
Jock had passed away and Clayton was now at Southfork. We saw Barbara Bel Geddes and Jim Davis together for years. Because of the timing, we NEVER saw Donna Reed and Jim Davis together. So when Donna Reed would mention Jock's name, it was hard to imagine her being married to Jock. Just bad timing.
Look at this scene:
It's the first time we've seen Donna Reed in the same room as Jock. It's simply not believable that she was Jocks wife for all those years.
Seaviewer
Telly Talk Warrior
I can see why you feel that way, but I believed it all as it happened.
Jock's Ghost
Telly Talk Well-Known Member
Watching S10 now. Everyone feels off. Bobby feels tacked on. JR is annoying when not scheming. Sue Ellen is a little too neat with her smiling and snarky comments.
The only enjoyable moment is the Wes Parmalee storyline of being Jock. Steve Forrest is great, strong, steady. I believe he is Jock. Some of the details get iffy. Why didn't someone alert the Ewings of a guy recovering from his injuries that could be Jock? Quibbles.
Too bad they botched Bobbys return, this could have worked great. Jock hears about Bobbys death and returns.
The only enjoyable moment is the Wes Parmalee storyline of being Jock. Steve Forrest is great, strong, steady. I believe he is Jock. Some of the details get iffy. Why didn't someone alert the Ewings of a guy recovering from his injuries that could be Jock? Quibbles.
Too bad they botched Bobbys return, this could have worked great. Jock hears about Bobbys death and returns.
Jock's Ghost
Telly Talk Well-Known Member
YepIt's great you took the time to re-watch the entire series. How long did it take if I may ask?
Thank you!Her writing wasn't always great but it's nice to see a fresh perspective of the character. In some ways she was one of the few female characters that beat JR at his own game.
I believe Larry Hagman had just recovered from his 1995 liver transplant when this movie was taped hence his haggard looks. I agree he looks better in War Of The Ewings.
Agreed! Michelle, James and Cally are all canon so it would have been nice to have mentioned them at some point after 1991. Cally at least got a brief cameo in 2013 on TNT Dallas.
I thought they planned a third movie but the ratings for War Of The Ewings weren't so great they decided against it. If I am incorrect someone please correct me.
Lastkidpicked
Telly Talk Dream Maker
It reminds me of @James from London 's observation on a prior season where he said, "There is no sense of urgency."
I agree with this in the later seasons. Some of the earlier storylines had you on the edge of your seat, anxiously waiting for the next episode. The later seasons had some interesting storylines, but there was no sense of urgency. Even the pacing was different.
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DallasFanForever
Telly Talk Supreme
@Lastkidpicked I have to agree with everything you said. In the earlier seasons I can binge watch an entire season in no time. I’m looking forward to the next episode every single time. When I get passed Pam’s accident I start to slow down considerably. I notice I’m no longer viewing multiple episodes in one sitting. It’s like a different show to me after that. I keep watching but it’s just not the same
Lastkidpicked
Telly Talk Dream Maker
Yes! You summed it up nicely.
Two summers ago we did a complete rewatch and noticed the same thing you did. During the early seasons, especially during the Battle for Ewing Oil, we were enjoying it so much we actually had to limit ourselves to one episode a day. This way we were always looking forward to the next episode.
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Jock's Ghost
Telly Talk Well-Known Member
S10. Ep 8 and still no marriage for Bobby and Pam. I misrembered. I thought it was episode 2 at least.
The shows production design suffers. Too much light. No shadows and it looks cheap and porno - level.
In the middle of Jocks ghost drama. It's the sole bright spot. Yet it makes no sense that Gary would not be informed of his father's possible return or Lucy.
Everyone feels, OFF.
Bobby is a goody two shoes Zombie. His return did nothing for the shows momentum.
Ray is a boring good guy.
Donna is a career woman.
Sue Ellen is a little easy with the jokes and remarks.
Stupid April has arrived.... ugh.
The worst offense is to JR. His preoccupation with Mandy Winger is pathetic. A scene just watched has him going for a Soda drink. JR drinks soda pop? Nope. The shark is slowly dying.
Cliff and Jamie do nothing but bicker.
Cliffs anger towards the Ewings has been replaced with self-centeredness, buffoonery.
Jenna and Charlie- why were they still on the show? Charlies drama is sickeningly contrived. The show tries too hard to keep her involved.
Add her to the list of obstacle/plot characters that are never interesting or add anything to the storyline.
Clayton
Jack
Mandy
Jenna commuting suicide when Bobby was killed (and stayed dead) Charlie placed in the care of the Ewings would have worked much better.
Another better idea than what we got.
Ray and Donna keep getting mistreated.
Give me the dream season any day....
The infuriating part is how well Jocks return was staged. Yet Bobbys return was not. his death was quite perfect.
Let us all put to bed the notion Leonard Katzman saved DALLAS. He did NOTHING of the kind, quite opposite.
Phillip Capice and Lee Rich shaped the show into its glorious good years. David Paulsen did his best to save it. His work on DYNASTY was much better utilized.
The shows production design suffers. Too much light. No shadows and it looks cheap and porno - level.
In the middle of Jocks ghost drama. It's the sole bright spot. Yet it makes no sense that Gary would not be informed of his father's possible return or Lucy.
Everyone feels, OFF.
Bobby is a goody two shoes Zombie. His return did nothing for the shows momentum.
Ray is a boring good guy.
Donna is a career woman.
Sue Ellen is a little easy with the jokes and remarks.
Stupid April has arrived.... ugh.
The worst offense is to JR. His preoccupation with Mandy Winger is pathetic. A scene just watched has him going for a Soda drink. JR drinks soda pop? Nope. The shark is slowly dying.
Cliff and Jamie do nothing but bicker.
Cliffs anger towards the Ewings has been replaced with self-centeredness, buffoonery.
Jenna and Charlie- why were they still on the show? Charlies drama is sickeningly contrived. The show tries too hard to keep her involved.
Add her to the list of obstacle/plot characters that are never interesting or add anything to the storyline.
Clayton
Jack
Mandy
Jenna commuting suicide when Bobby was killed (and stayed dead) Charlie placed in the care of the Ewings would have worked much better.
Another better idea than what we got.
Ray and Donna keep getting mistreated.
Give me the dream season any day....
The infuriating part is how well Jocks return was staged. Yet Bobbys return was not. his death was quite perfect.
Let us all put to bed the notion Leonard Katzman saved DALLAS. He did NOTHING of the kind, quite opposite.
Phillip Capice and Lee Rich shaped the show into its glorious good years. David Paulsen did his best to save it. His work on DYNASTY was much better utilized.
Jock's Ghost
Telly Talk Well-Known Member
at a slugs pace, we come to the marriage of Bobby and Pam. I had forgotten how passionless this lead up was. Mechanical, ho-hum. Zapped of any and all urgency displayed in S9. I struggle to watch these episodes. I can't imagine how lame S11 and beyond is.
Mustard
Telly Talk TV Fanatic
Larry Hagman had just had a life saving liver transplant not long before J.R. Returns.
Mustard
Telly Talk TV Fanatic
And the open hostility towards Jack, suddenly. It's like "Okay 'new' Bobby, now the real Bobby is back, so you can piss off!".