Characters which should have been killed off

Which characters should have been killed off?

  • Wes Parmalee

    Votes: 4 22.2%
  • Mandy Winger

    Votes: 5 27.8%
  • Jack Ewing

    Votes: 3 16.7%
  • Alan Beam

    Votes: 1 5.6%
  • Garrison Southworth

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Others, please state

    Votes: 5 27.8%

  • Total voters
    18

the-lost-son

Telly Talk Well-Known Member
Rebecca's death led to some great storylines (Bobby&Pam's divorce, Cliff's need to prove himself...) but I would have loved to keep her for a few more years. There was so much potential left.

Obviously a triangle between Ellie/Clayton had been teased. But I would have loved a fight fir Barnes-Wentworth (similar to the one about Ewing Oil).

Cliff (and Pam with Bobby) vs. Katherine (with JR of course).

Dallas was it at its best when there many Ewings And Barneses around.
 

the-lost-son

Telly Talk Well-Known Member
Yes Garrison's death was very odd, and I wonder whether in later years the writers regretted killing him off too early as there could have been all sorts of fun to be had with him and his own family. I cannot recall now but was he buried at Southfork or was that not mentioned?
Garrison was never mentioned afterwards.

His offspring seems like an intriguing idea. It would have certainly been more natural and less forced than pulling Jock's Brother Jason out of their hats.

It's a cheap move to introduce new characters ( after the show had been on air for years) we've never heard off.
 

Rove

Telly Talk Warrior
Dallas was it at its best when there many Ewings And Barneses around.
Absolutely. There was a brief window where the Barnes family was becoming a powerful foe for the Ewing family. Bobby and Pam were separated. She entered into a relationship with Mark and Cliff was with Afton. Katherine had a foot in both camps. Back at Southfork is was only JR and Bobby. It was a side of Dallas I was really enjoying until some hair-brain decision to give Mark a disease. Cliff tripped and fell into Mandy's bosom and Afton - dressed in a red power suit - packed her bags, left Cliff and Dallas.
 
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DallasFanForever

Telly Talk Supreme
Absolutely. There was a brief window where the Barnes family was becoming a powerful foe for the Ewing family. Bobby and Pam were separated. She entered into a relationship with Mark and Cliff was with Afton. Katherine had a foot in both camps. Back at Southfork is was only JR and Bobby. It was a side of Dallas I was really enjoying until some hair-brain decision to give Mark a disease. Cliff tripped and fell into Mandy's bosom and Afton - dressed in red power suit - packed her bags and left Cliff and Dallas.
The losses of Mark, Afton and Katherine in such a short period of time really hurt the show in my opinion, especially when you consider those characters were virtually replaced with Mandy and Jamie.
For me, this was when the show started to go off the rails.
 

Monzo

Telly Talk Star
Jamie's death is the first death on Dallas that didn't really work for me. The aftermath of her death was wasted time. Writers must have known that Ewing Oil would be gone at the end of the season, so it was just toying with viewers when Cliff got her share. All court scenes were useless including bringing Jack back.
 

DallasFanForever

Telly Talk Supreme
Jamie's death is the first death on Dallas that didn't really work for me. The aftermath of her death was wasted time. Writers must have known that Ewing Oil would be gone at the end of the season, so it was just toying with viewers when Cliff got her share. All court scenes were useless including bringing Jack back.
And it was so odd seeing the same character die twice. I know the first one didn’t officially happen but it was just so weird to me at the time. But I guess killing her off was the only way to get her shares to Cliff so having her just leave town wouldn’t work. But as you say, it really ended up meaning nothing in the end anyway due to Ewing Oil ceasing to exist.
 

stevew

Telly Talk Star
I think if Rebecca had really tried to get involved in the feud, JR would have made short work of her. Just a little bit of digging would have revealed that she never divorced Digger, making her marriage to Herbert Wentworth invalid. After that, does she really control all the Wentworth assets?
Yes, if that’s what Herbert’s will says then yes regardless of martial status. But I think it would be more likely Katherine would have had a case against her for herself and such a story as still married to Digger could factor in. We also didn’t know enough about her to assume such a thing as she couldn’t handle JR. she might have been his greatest enemy if they played her right and the actress could have pulled it off. She could have ended up coming back in the Carter McKay role, as in look who really runs West Star. Give her more family, more power, a background that shows Herbert invested the company but she really built it and made all its investments.

Yes, considering he undoubtedly left it to her in his will
Sort of - we don’t know what his will said. We assume because of her will but it doesn’t mean she didn’t do something she wasn’t suppose to.
 

Jimmy Todd

Telly Talk Mega Star
Yes, if that’s what Herbert’s will says then yes regardless of martial status. But I think it would be more likely Katherine would have had a case against her for herself and such a story as still married to Digger could factor in. We also didn’t know enough about her to assume such a thing as she couldn’t handle JR. she might have been his greatest enemy if they played her right and the actress could have pulled it off. She could have ended up coming back in the Carter McKay role, as in look who really runs West Star. Give her more family, more power, a background that shows Herbert invested the company but she really built it and made all its investments.
This is a very good idea, but the sense I always got from "Dallas" is that that Larry Hagman, Capitol, Kathmandu, and whoever else was in charge, would never allow a woman to become that much of a threat to JR. Sure, Kristin could shoot him, but eventually she got her comeuppance, and that's not the same as being smart or powerful enough to really give him a run for his money. The same holds true for Holly. She got him off her back by using sex to draw Sue Ellen into her scheme, but it wasn't her business acumen or money that bested him. She also paid a high financial price for it,, thanks to JR's cunning.
Of course, no one would ever really get the best of JR, but men would always get closer to it then female characters. That's why I never understood the Harleyville sheriff getting away with threatening JR in his own office with impunity. That scene makes no sense from any perspective.
I could be wrong, of course, but that's the vibe I always got from "Dallas" I tend to think that's why a character like Donna or Abby Ewing could never really go head to head with JR. They may not win, but they could face him on his own terms and prove to be credible threats. I always thought there was a goldmine of good storyline to come from having Donna really got to the mat with JR.
 

the-lost-son

Telly Talk Well-Known Member
Jamie's death is the first death on Dallas that didn't really work for me. The aftermath of her death was wasted time. Writers must have known that Ewing Oil would be gone at the end of the season, so it was just toying with viewers when Cliff got her share. All court scenes were useless including bringing Jack back.
Exactly. For me the loss of Ewing Oil was my personal last Dallas episode. Losing Ewing Oil was worse than the dream explanation. All this haggling over shares of Ewing Oil for years and then it was meaningless. Jock's company gone, Miss Ellie having no more interest in it, Gary&Ray without voting shares... the structure of the show was destroyed.

The loss of Pam was a lot, but without Ewing Oil and the offices it was like taking the Ewings out of Southfork.

To make matters worse, we got a lame replacement withJRE industries and the lamest, pointless break-up of Sue Ellen and JR.
 
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Billy Wall

Telly Talk Dream Maker
This is a very good idea, but the sense I always got from "Dallas" is that that Larry Hagman, Capitol, Kathmandu, and whoever else was in charge, would never allow a woman to become that much of a threat to JR. Sure, Kristin could shoot him, but eventually she got her comeuppance, and that's not the same as being smart or powerful enough to really give him a run for his money. The same holds true for Holly. She got him off her back by using sex to draw Sue Ellen into her scheme, but it wasn't her business acumen or money that bested him. She also paid a high financial price for it,, thanks to JR's cunning.
Of course, no one would ever really get the best of JR, but men would always get closer to it then female characters. That's why I never understood the Harleyville sheriff getting away with threatening JR in his own office with impunity. That scene makes no sense from any perspective.
I could be wrong, of course, but that's the vibe I always got from "Dallas" I tend to think that's why a character like Donna or Abby Ewing could never really go head to head with JR. They may not win, but they could face him on his own terms and prove to be credible threats. I always thought there was a goldmine of good storyline to come from having Donna really got to the mat with JR.

JR feared strong women. I’ll never forget after Edgar Randolph attempted suicide, JR told him in his hospital room “Don’t you ever mention my name to Donna Krebbs again, or you’ll wish you were dead.” Why would he say that unless he knew Donna had the power to threaten him?

And he did lose in business to Sue Ellen of all people when she voted to have Jeremy Windell president of Weststar and not him. One of the great later season scenes IMO.
 

Chris2

Telly Talk Dream Maker
JR became pathetic in the later years. Everyone got the better of him, men and women. I wish the Haleyville storyline had happened earlier in the series, only because I wanted to see what JR would do to those people once he got back to Dallas. I’m pretty sure that town would have been wiped off the map.
 

Jimmy Todd

Telly Talk Mega Star
JR became pathetic in the later years. Everyone got the better of him, men and women. I wish the Haleyville storyline had happened earlier in the series, only because I wanted to see what JR would do to those people once he got back to Dallas. I’m pretty sure that town would have been wiped off the map.
I really wanted a scene in which Lucy (give her something to do) overheard the exchange between JR and that sheriff. She taunts him for it, saying he's no longer the man he was. She also comments on how much Cammy reminds her of Valene. This is as a bucket of ice water that shocks him back into his old self. He buys up the town ,opens up one of his JR Ewing vuy rate gas stations from season six, and makes that sheriff work there for below minimum wage for the rest of his life.
If only Lorimar had taken my calls back in the day:)
 

stevew

Telly Talk Star
This is a very good idea, but the sense I always got from "Dallas" is that that Larry Hagman, Capitol, Kathmandu, and whoever else was in charge, would never allow a woman to become that much of a threat to JR. Sure, Kristin could shoot him, but eventually she got her comeuppance, and that's not the same as being smart or powerful enough to really give him a run for his money. The same holds true for Holly. She got him off her back by using sex to draw Sue Ellen into her scheme, but it wasn't her business acumen or money that bested him. She also paid a high financial price for it,, thanks to JR's cunning.
Of course, no one would ever really get the best of JR, but men would always get closer to it then female characters. That's why I never understood the Harleyville sheriff getting away with threatening JR in his own office with impunity. That scene makes no sense from any perspective.
I could be wrong, of course, but that's the vibe I always got from "Dallas" I tend to think that's why a character like Donna or Abby Ewing could never really go head to head with JR. They may not win, but they could face him on his own terms and prove to be credible threats. I always thought there was a goldmine of good storyline to come from having Donna really got to the mat with JR.
Excellent points and I couldn't agree more. Before they got all crazy in the later years, I would have brought Donna back, former Secretary of Energy, wife of a U.S. Senator, someone the family could trust and she walks back to Dallas as the executor to Clayton Farlow's will which leaves his money to the only grandson he ever knew, John Ross, but in Donna's hands, which would include enough shares in West Star to Control it. Now it's not Cliff and McKay JR would come face to face with, but Donna. JR would go after getting rid of her so he could take control of West Star only to find a very competent opponent, one with a history with JR and one who knows what she's doing. Unlike Sue Ellen, she'd be able to look at JR and says, "I'm going to protect that boy from you, even if I have to put you down to do it" and "Don't worry JR, John Ross will inherit Ewing Oil, after I take it from you" and when JR says, "It takes brains to know when to be scared," she interrupts him and says, "Explains why you've never been scared in your life." Plush she'd have brought with her Margret and finally have a young girl growing up near the ranch. So much good material lost for what I'm sure if correct on your part, the shortsightedness of the show runners.

Exactly. For me the loss of Ewing Oil was my personal last Dallas episode. Losing Ewing Oil was worse than the dream explanation. All this haggling over shares of Ewing Oil for years and then it was meaningless. Jock's company gone, Miss Ellie having no more interest in it, Gary&Ray without voting shares... the structure of the show was destroyed.

The loss of Pam was a lot, but without Ewing Oil and the offices it was like taking the Ewings out of Southfork.

To make matters worse, we got a lame replacement withJRE industries and the lamest, pointless break-up of Sue Ellen and JR.
Well said.

JR became pathetic in the later years. Everyone got the better of him, men and women. I wish the Haleyville storyline had happened earlier in the series, only because I wanted to see what JR would do to those people once he got back to Dallas. I’m pretty sure that town would have been wiped off the map.
Yes JR became pathetic but IMO so did the stories and his antagonists. Donna teamed up with Wendell - now that wouldn't have been pathetic and given the JR character a real challenge.

Everybody’s not JR. Lol Why would she have a reason to do something underhanded?
More people would opt to be JR then you think, if you think underhanded is just a JR tactic. Reason: she wanted to make up to Pam and Cliff for abandoning them. Guilt can be a big motivator. She instead of sticking to a will that tied her hands and left everything to his daughter (as you'd probably find more often than not among the very wealthy), ignored his will, kept the document from Katherine and wrote a will leaving "her" estate divided by 3.

Personally the actress was up to the underhanded. I wish she had stayed to show us way more. I could see the real story having been she meet Herbert Wentworth when he building up his company on some great ideas but the momentum of such only gets one so far. She took would was becoming a failed enterprise, Wentworth Tool and Die and created the parent company Wentworth Industries. She understood business on a level which even had to impress JR. She was dealing the Cartel like they were children while dealing with OPEC and revolutionaries in Venezuela. If she'd lived, came and went from the show when needed, I would have loved to have seen JR walk into the offices of West Star after having made a deal which he thinks gives him control of the corporation, having defeated Wendell and gobbled up the Cartel, only to find Rebecca standing there welcoming him, explain to him that he might own a majority of the shares, but her class of shares hold more votes, "In other words, I control West Star and your precious Ewing Oil and everything your daddy lived and died for."

Now that would have given JR a reason to come out swinging - Halleyville certainly didn't.
 

Rove

Telly Talk Warrior
but the sense I always got from "Dallas" is that that Larry Hagman, Capitol, Kathmandu, and whoever else was in charge, would never allow a woman to become that much of a threat to JR
I thought the natural choice to take on JR was Pam. Everything leading up to and including the reading of Bobby's Will suggested this. I'm not advocating Pam could outwit JR in business but Pam would have had more support from those around her to create some buffer from JR. Pam had threatened to join Cliff and Jamie and take away JR's one soft spot...Ewing Oil.

With Bobby's death the time was right to set these two on a collision course. A knock down, dragged out brawl between the Ewing and Barnes family to end them all. Considering Victoria had informed the producers she was leaving Dallas I would have been fine if Pam was killed in some horrendous death instead of the is she or isn't dead..lasting for years.
 

Seaviewer

Telly Talk Warrior
a fight fir Barnes-Wentworth
I can't seem them doing that unless their was Ewing involvement somewhere. Maybe JR would have some kind of deal to back Katherine and Bobby would back Pam. Or would JR welcome Pam back if he saw some means of controlling her through Bobby?
been more natural and less forced than pulling Jock's Brother Jason out of their hats.
Garrison's children might have a claim on Southfork but not Ewing Oil.
 

stevew

Telly Talk Star
I can't seem them doing that unless their was Ewing involvement somewhere. Maybe JR would have some kind of deal to back Katherine and Bobby would back Pam. Or would JR welcome Pam back if he saw some means of controlling her through Bobby?

Garrison's children might have a claim on Southfork but not Ewing Oil.
But South Fork oil might just be worth more than Ewing Oil and thus a tool to make a play for Ewing Oil.
 
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