JR and his sons

CeeCee72

Telly Talk Star
We spend a lot of time talking about the awful last few years of Dallas and how they destroyed JR Ewing - who had been one of the greatest characters ever on TV.


It got me thinking about what one thing they did to JR that was so out of the character that it felt like it was the point of no return.


For me, it's his relationships (or lack thereof) with his sons.


For years, we watched JR scheme, manipulate, and brutally hurt Sue Ellen and others to KEEP John Ross at Southfork. Then suddenly, John Ross goes to England and JR doesn't do a damn thing to get him home. We even had a scene of JR talking to SE on the phone asking her to KEEP John Ross, supposedly to give him time to get rid of Cally. But come on. The real JR wouldn't have cared about John Ross's feelings enough to spare him dealing with Cally leaving. After all, look how he was willing to abuse John Ross's OWN MOTHER right in front of the boy just to keep him at home.


Letting Cally's baby go didn't ring true either. Oh sure, JR would have signed any agreement Cally wanted to get out of the sanitarium, but he would have reneged the moment he was free. He hunted down Val to snatch his NIECE to raise her at Southfork. You guys really think he would have let Cally take his own child from him? We're supposed to believe he did it for the good of the child? Again, JR never cared about what was good for John Ross. He only ever cared about keeping him.


Finally there's James. A mess from beginning to end. First JR accepts him with no proof of paternity. I get the writers at that time were trying to convey that JR "loved" Vanessa enough not to doubt her, but the JR we knew and loved would have made sure, love or not. Then the forced father/son crap, then the horrible "James outmarts JR" storyline, then JR just lets James and Debra Lynn TAKE HIS GRANDSON off to parts unknown without a fight.


I know some will say that JR didn't particularly care about his blood since he was willing to let Pam and Bobby have Christopher when he thought Christopher was his son, but was he really? I tend to think he would have kept quiet about Christopher's real paternity just long enough to get total control of Ewing Oil then come out swinging.


It just all seemed so out of JR's character (the one we had seen develop over years and years) to me.


There are of course many other areas where the writers and producers damaged the character or JR Ewing. But for whatever reason, the relationships with and his willingness to walk away from his sons did the most damage.
 

Michelle Stevens

'The Lovely Michelle'
Besides tired writing I just took it as JR mellowed as he aged and maybe the effects of years of Bourbon and Branch took their effect on his ruthlessness. As early as the "Dream Season" JR didn't seem to have the same edge as he had in the early years of the series.

I'd be curious to know if there was a Season 15 if JR would have gone after James and his son, gone after Cally to get his child from her back and to go to England to win John Ross back into his good graces again.
 

Lastkidpicked

Telly Talk Dream Maker
It got me thinking about what one thing they did to JR that was so out of the character that it felt like it was the point of no return.

There was a scene where Christopher and John Ross had a swimming race in the Southfork pool. John Ross won, but only because he cheated.

J.R. took John Ross aside and assured him that it was okay to cheat in a race as long as it meant winning. I have to say that I lost some respect for J.R. after that scene.
 

Taylor Bennett Jr.

Telly Talk Winner
There was a scene where Christopher and John Ross had a swimming race in the Southfork pool. John Ross won, but only because he cheated.

J.R. took John Ross aside and assured him that it was okay to cheat in a race as long as it meant winning. I have to say that I lost some respect for J.R. after that scene.
it scored him some points with the future governor of Minnesota, though

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TheDeadBobby

Telly Talk Active Member
The only thing I can think of is they had those poor kids on set, staging a fight between JR and whover else when they were very young and you could see the tears in their eyes because they didn't know any better if it was a real conflict or not. They should have found a way to shoot the scene but protect those kids from the drama. I saw it in both the grab for John Ross from SueEllen by the stairway and when JR was trying to claim Christopher.... I think Bobby came in and started fighting with JR ... he started crying ... (Chrisopher, not JR).
 

Miss Texas 1967

Telly Talk Addict
James being introduced as JR's son also ruined JR and John Ross's relationship. Now all of a sudden, John Ross did not matter to him or his feelings. That was awful to watch.
Messy for everyone and emotionally painful for John Ross. First JR had never made any secret of the importance of being the firstborn son, then James comes along and takes that from John Ross, second, James was older and able to do more things that related to JR's current life, and John Ross' attempts to be just like his dad came across as childish (which is entirely appropriate) and JR did nothing to reassure John Ross that he understood his perspective and that when it was time they'd be partners just like he'd always promised. The entire thing must've been complicated and confusing for Sue Ellen too and that can't have helped the relationship the 3 had. She was abused for a long time before giving him a son, even afterwards, and to find out that all of it had been for 'nothing' was surely hurtful.
 
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