Neil Young and Joni Mitchell leave Spotify over Joe Rogan

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Although I agree with you overall, it really should be stressed that Rogan isn't talking to random people with opinions; these aren't Facebook conspiracies about the vaccine being a Soros plot to reduce the population, or that the vaccine is injecting nanotech trackers into our bloodstream. He's talked to doctors and scientists with expertise in their fields, who deviate from the current (and constantly evolving) recommendations.
Except for when he said a far-right conspiracy theorist was right "about actual microchips being injected into your arm to see if you have COVID-19"?
 

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But IMO, even Hitler fans and Flat Earthers have a right to talk about why they feel like they do
There's a difference between freedom of speech and to give potentially dangerous misinformation or propaganda a voice in a podcast.

They could also invite an expert explaining why rape doesn't exist because it's a purely biological response, they could also invite an expert to explain the need to join the fight against western capitalism.

This is about serious health issues and if people want to look for alternative opinions then they're free to do so, but maybe it's not a good idea to intentionally expose the unsuspecting audience to those very alternative opinions.
The situation is difficult enough as it is, how is creating doubt going to take the sting out of it?
 

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Except for when he said a far-right conspiracy theorist was right "about actual microchips being injected into your arm to see if you have COVID-19"?
Rogan was mistaken if he thought a microchip in the arm could detect Covid, but there's apparently a microchip available that can show proof of vaccination:

Technology start-up Epicenter has developed a micro-chip implant capable of storing COVID-19 vaccine information, but some social media users claimed the invention belonged to Microsoft.

Hans Sjoblad, Chief Disruption Officer for Epicenter, says the completely removable “implants are a very versatile technology that can be used for many different things,” and points to convenience as a primary reason to have a COVID-19 vaccine passport.

A December 17, 2021, YouTube video report by the South China Morning Post (here) identifies Swedish start-up, Epicenter (weareepicenter.com/stockholm/) as the developer of COVID-19 vaccine passports.

Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/fac...re-covid-19-vaccine-information-idUSL1N2U023G
 
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Somehow, I don't think Joe Rogan is primarily responsible for "creating doubt." The mainstream media could teach a masterclass on spreading misinformation.

The Mainstream Media Is Attacking Joe Rogan Instead of Admitting Its Own Failures​


Podcaster and comedian Joe Rogan is back in the media's crosshairs. A few days ago, rock legend Neil Young issued an ultimatum to Spotify: The music platform could carry his music or they could carry The Joe Rogan Experience podcast but not both. The streaming company ended up siding with Rogan, a man they invested $100 million in back in 2020. But Young's ultimatum led other music celebrities to follow suit, and legacy media outlets renewed their condemnation of Rogan's podcast for "spreading misinformation."

Mainstream media pundits claim that Rogan has spread falsehoods about the COVID-19 vaccine by having prominent vaccine skeptics such as Dr. Robert Malone and Dr. Peter McCullough on his podcast. They conveniently ignore the fact that Rogan has platformed a range of perspectives on the COVID vaccine; for example, he had vaccine enthusiast Sanjay Gupta on as well.

Indeed, the move to smear Rogan for peddling "misinformation" is less about the truth than it is about a deeply unpopular mainstream media elite refusing to acknowledge its own failures, and how it lost its credibility with the American people.

As is typically the case during elite outrage cycles about Rogan, the leading voices calling for him to be censored and amplifying dishonest smears about him come from the same prominent institutions that have lied to the American public about a host of issues including Iraq, Russiagate, the likely origins of COVID-19, and a barrage of other stories with direct consequences for policymakers.

These massive errors of fact and judgment are why media trust among the American public has dropped to the lowest on record. It's why people are switching to independent voices like Rogan who they view as a more reliable source of information.

And yet, you will never hear legacy media partisans asking why America trusts a podcaster whose interest in politics is more casual than, say, his fascination with mixed martial arts or psychedelic drugs. And the reason this question will never be asked is because the answer is too dangerous for media elites to contemplate, namely, Americans are right. The mainstream media in America should not be trusted.

Things aren't looking good. A statement put out by Spotify CEO Daniel Ek promised the company would add a "content advisory" to podcasts with information about COVID that diverge from the narrative. After being inundated with pressure to do something about "misinformation" on popular podcasts, Ek caved to the top-down censorship campaign being pushed against Rogan and independent media at large.

Rogan himself said he supported the decision in an Instagram post responding to Spotify. But there's a bitter irony to the fact that Rogan's show will be labeled for false information about COVID after the mainstream media were the ones spreading state-sanctioned lies about the lab leak hypothesis, masking in schools, the efficacy of cloth masks, the effectiveness of lockdowns, and many other COVID guidelines that have proven to be a failure.

In order to fight back against the censorship campaigns being waged by elite media gatekeepers and their friends in polite society, it is not enough simply to advocate for free speech on every podcasting platform or media outlet. The American people must make their voices heard and continue to ditch mainstream media outlets whose job it is to lie to our faces for the sake of the regime.

We must use our ability to vote and participate in politics to ensure that tech companies and large corporate behemoths are unable to unilaterally censor anyone who they deem unworthy to speak freely.

Beyond that, intellectuals and pundits who have gone independent need to stand together in the war against freedom of expression being waged against everyone who has left the institutions whose dominance over our public discourse is slowly but surely slipping away.

In response to the massive growth of independent media, legacy media outlets and cable networks have responded not by looking inward at their crisis of credibility, but instead by pushing for an onslaught of censorship by Big Tech companies and other streaming services. Those of us who work in the independent media space understand well that if the pressure campaign to destroy Rogan's show succeeds, the pro-censorship authoritarians will not hesitate to destroy us all.

Source: https://www.newsweek.com/mainstream...ad-admitting-its-own-failures-opinion-1674670
 

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There's a difference between freedom of speech and to give potentially dangerous misinformation or propaganda a voice in a podcast.

They could also invite an expert explaining why rape doesn't exist because it's a purely biological response, they could also invite an expert to explain the need to join the fight against western capitalism.

This is about serious health issues and if people want to look for alternative opinions then they're free to do so, but maybe it's not a good idea to intentionally expose the unsuspecting audience to those very alternative opinions.
The situation is difficult enough as it is, how is creating doubt going to take the sting out of it?

I don't think his guests believe they're spreading misinformation. It's not malicious intent. Trump spread a lot of misinformation when he was president and the smart people laughed it off. No one censored him for that. He was censored later on because of the storming of Capitolium, but not for his guessing and speculation. But when a silly little podcast has guests who do the same, it must be stopped and the whole podcast removed.

I think most people are smart enough to decide for themselves what sources are reliable. Those who can't are likely always suspicious of all things establishment and will be even more pissed off if the establishment censor everyone who disagrees with them.
 

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I think most people are smart enough
Hmm....Trump? Brexit? The cancellation of NuDallas? Just to name a few disasters.

This is becoming an extremely painful situation and in fact we're on the verge of a massive breakdown so maybe we should reconsider if there's a place for streaming music in our society. We never had this problem when we were all buying CDs and CDsingles so maybe this is the perfect opportunity for artists and record labels to re-explore that possibility, you know just to be on the safe side and avoid epic conflicts like these.
 

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Hmm....Trump? Brexit? The cancellation of NuDallas? Just to name a few disasters.

This is becoming an extremely painful situation and in fact we're on the verge of a massive breakdown so maybe we should reconsider if there's a place for streaming music in our society. We never had this problem when we were all buying CDs and CDsingles so maybe this is the perfect opportunity for artists and record labels to re-explore that possibility, you know just to be on the safe side and avoid epic conflicts like these.

That wouldn't really solve the issue with controversial music, like nazi music or offensive gangsta rap about murder and rape etc.

But most importantly: where would I put the CDs??? Between my 1500 dvds and 1300 books, I'd bury myself alive.
 

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I think most people are smart enough to decide for themselves what sources are reliable. Those who can't are likely always suspicious of all things establishment and will be even more pissed off if the establishment censor everyone who disagrees with them.
The establishment has given people ample reason to be suspicious of them. They'll occasionally get something right, but people are well advised to fact check them to be sure.

Much of their coverage has involved overstating the strength and effectiveness of the vaccine, and smearing people that dissent from them on Covid policies such as mandates.

Hmm....Trump?
Trump is the rock through a window of a failed political system. In any functional government, a charlatan like Trump would remain a laughing stock on the fringes.

Democrats and Republicans give people the illusion of choice, but it's just political theater. No matter which party is in control, the corporations and war mongers always win.
 
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i used to watch Rogan's videos on you tube i no longer do and i never will cause i lost respect for the man, he's not the one that started to give misinformation that's true but he's not helping either by continuing to lie to the public.
 

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Hmm, who do I trust more? The mainstream media who purposely spread misinformation and propaganda on behalf of corporations and the government? Or someone who willingly corrects themself when proven wrong and is intellectually curious enough to interview a wide array of experts in the field of medicine and science? That's a tough one!

 
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I never thought Mr Rogan was a good person, I thought he was a dangerous man, now I think he's a racist. On his podcast (which admittedly I've never heard) apparently he compared Africa to The Planet of the Apes and repeatedly has used the racist slur n*gger. He's a nasty piece of work for more reasons than I originally thought.

Thank you Neil Young and Joni Mitchell for drawing attention to the dangers of his podcast and making us realise what he is really like.

 
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Joe Rogan addresses his repeated use of the N-word in viral clip


Joe Rogan has responded to a resurfaced clip of him using the N-word almost two dozen times while hosting his wildly popular podcast, “The Joe Rogan Experience.”

Calling the clip “the most regretful and shameful thing I’ve ever had to talk about publicly,” Rogan, 54, insisted the video consisted of “out of context” snippets from “12 years of conversations” on his show.

“It looks f–king horrible. Even to me.”

He continued, “I know that to most people, there is no context where a white person is ever allowed to say that word, nevermind publicly on a podcast, and I agree with that now. I haven’t said it in years.”

He then admits to using the word in his past, but claims it would only be within the context of the conversation.

“Instead of saying ‘the N-word,’ I would just say the word. I thought as long as it was in context, people would understand what I was doing.”

Grammy-winning singer India.Arie shared the now-viral clip of Rogan Thursday on Instagram while explaining her reasons for removing her music from Spotify, citing Rogan’s “language around race” and $100 million deal that she believes was built on the backs of musicians.

While acknowledging that social media footage “can be doctored” and/or “taken out of context,” Arie, 46, argued that the stand-up and UFC enthusiast, “shouldn’t even be uttering the word — don’t even say it, under any context. Don’t say it. That’s where I stand. I have always stood there.”

Rogan claims, however, that he would often be discussing comics of yesteryear who used the word, or quoting bits from acts like Lenny Bruce and Paul Mooney.
He went on to explain his fascination with the word, and the fact that one race isn’t allowed to use it while another can use it in countless ways.

“It’s a very unusual word, but it’s not my word to use,” he continued. “I never used it to be racist, because I’m not racist, but whenever you’re in a situation where you have to say ‘I’m not racist,’ you’ve f–ked up, and I clearly have f–cked up.”

The podcaster went on to address a clip of him referring to a black neighborhood as “Planet of the Apes,” after being dropped off to see the movie with friends in Philadelphia.

“I was trying to make the story entertaining,” Rogan claimed. “I did not, nor did I ever say that black people are apes, but it sure f–king sounded like that.”

“It wasn’t a racist story, but it sounded terrible.”

Rogan has been in the spotlight following Neil Young’s decision to remove his music from Spotify due to Rogan’s COVID “misinformation” and anti-vaccine statements.

Source: https://pagesix.com/2022/02/05/joe-rogan-apologizes-for-repeated-use-of-the-n-word-in-viral-clip/

 

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if you aren't racist than don't use it! i'm not racist at all and i say pretty much swear like a sailor half the time but even i don't use the N word cause i detest the word i hate it with a f.... passion.


oops i had to edit it there i just noticed it said i use the N word not i don't use it
 
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