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DALLAS: what made it stand out above the other soaps?

James from London

International Treasure
In what way?

It's really exciting and moving, and simultaneously pulpy and mythic, with everyone and everything interconnected just like they were in the original series (at its best). Empire is often those things too, but with its songs and celebrity cameos, it's also a music show. Plus, the blackness of its characters and the complexity with which they're portrayed makes it also feel kind of political, sometimes subversively so. New Dynasty includes many of the same soap tropes as the other two but tends to be more farcical in their execution. But that's just based on watching the first fifteen episodes of each. My tidy little theory might fall apart after that.
 
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Spooky Owl!

Telly Talk Supreme
Yeah Dallas is not a Western, other than the main family living on a Ranch, and a few men who could fall under the heading of cowboy, it doesn’t fall into the Western genre.

Dallas is a soap - or as Larry once called it ‘a nighttime drama serial’.

Well, it could be argued that DALLAS had contemporary western elements.
 

Werewillie Oleson

Telly Talk Schemer
Isn't the real Western the story about the ruggedly handsome cowboy seeking revenge for the death of his lovely wife, caused by ruthless bandits or escaped prisoners or aggressive Indians? And then the town's resident harlot falls in love with him even though she realizes it's not-meant-to-be?
Wasn't that the same story over and over again?

As the one and only Jr&Sue Ellen-connaisseur (Sarah) so aptly observed: a few cows and horses doesn't automatically make for a Western story.
 
Was Winds Of Vengeance the most Western style episode, like, a 1970s version of The Big Valley ?
I'd say The Dove Hunt, with its guns and saloon brawl and the dramatic standoff at gunpoint between Jock and Tom Owens (b oth played by actors who'd been in dozens of Westerns). As Chris of Dallas Decoder wrote:

“The Dove Hunt” is a western, plain and true. It drops the Ewing men into the Louisiana wilderness, but it might as well transport them to the 18th-century frontier. The themes scriptwriters D.C. and Richard Fontana explore here – honor, justice, redemption – are timeless.
 

Luke_Krebbs_Ewing

Telly Talk Champion
There is one other thing which Dallas had which some of it's contemporaries didn't have and that was Greatness.

The central concept of the show being a kind of Romeo and Juliet scenario combined with the Barnes Ewing feud made the show uniquely powerful and an event series.

Dallas was an event series long before the term was first coined. And as for Greatness it had that in abundance through the characters of JR Ewing, Jock Ewing and Miss Ellie. :)
 
Well, the Montague Capulet feud was intrinsic there as well.
I've seen Cain and Abel cited as the other literary (in this case biblical) precedent (good brother/bad brother seeking father's approval - Bobby/JR/Jock). Actually, looking at the wikipedia entry for Cain and Abel, I see another indirect tie-in, as I believe at some point (maybe The Early Years?) we learn that the founder of Southfork was Enoch Southworth


Cain then murdered Abel out of jealousy, whereupon God punished Cain by condemning him to a life of wandering. Cain then dwelt in the land of Nod (נוֹד, 'wandering'), where he built a city and fathered the line of descendants beginning with Enoch.
Enoch Southworth founded Southfork Ranch in 1858.

(cutting my research short before I find out the names Japhet and Boaz of Haleyville fame are relevant, too)
 
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Spooky Owl!

Telly Talk Supreme
But that's one of the reasons I like the 1978 "mini-series" with its drab, wintry vibe. Even the very first frame of the scene of Pam driving to meet her daddy, "Digger", in some shabby Houston Street pub, has the infamous Texas Schoolbook Depository clearly in the background, the "Hertz" sign, not removed for another year, still atop it like a raven or some gargoyle hovering. It was too quick for most viewers to spot it even then, but in retrospect, it adds to the history of the thing somehow.

Actually, you can see it briefly again as Pam runs out of the bar and into her car. And a third time, 18-months later, in close up, as Pam and Cliff discuss her telling Bobby about her neurofibromatosis.

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Snowcat

Telly Talk Active Member
I Remember Mama ...

Ma' Ingalls vs. Miss Ellie ... from the Old West !

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That’s a good comparison. I didn’t think I liked Westerns but I’ve never really watched them.

That part of the quote nails it for me. At it's core, Dallas was about family. And all the various conflicts that can arise in a family. Specifically with the maing conflict of J.R. and Bobby. Sibling rivalry, two brothers fighting, a story that goes all the way back to Cain and Abel, or Moses and Ramses. Almost anyone who has siblings, male or female, can relate in some way to this basic conflict. My brother and I were two young Black boys raised by our single mother in South Los Angeles, an environment as far as you can get from the rich Ewings on a Texas ranch, yet we both were hooked on the show back then.
Yes! You nailed it! That’s exactly what I was going to say. The characters are complex. There’s so much to love and not like about each of them. For example, Bobby was sweet but he was still a man’s man. He didn’t like Pam working. Even Jock told Bobby to take the weekend off & go to Paris with Pam. But he was too proud to be the tag along to a working well fe. Then there was the complex family relationships- Bobby and JR, Pam & Cliff. Both the Barnes & Ewings had complicated parent-child relationships. I felt for the way Jock was torn between Bobby and JR. He always kept his authority when he talked to them. But you could tell he loved both & wanted to support both. I also agree with the person who said Dallas was written in a way that appealed to men too
 

Spooky Owl!

Telly Talk Supreme
Could you tell the difference between the David Paulsen years and those which weren't?

Paulsen was brought in some time in the season which opened with "Who Shot JR? and gained favor with Leonard Katzman with his skills. He began writing individual scripts and then was made a story editor at some point --- apparently before receiving an on-screen "story editor" credit for Season 6 (per DVD count). To me, the show really tightens up in the last half-dozen episodes before Cliff's suicide attempt in Spring 1982, so I assume Paulsen probably had something to do with that.. He continued in that capacity, as story editor, in Season 7 and 8 (again, per DVD count) and came back for Seasons 10 and 11, leaving DALLAS to go produce the ninth and final season of DYNASTY.

It sounds like he was asked to return to DALLAS in 1989 but he didn't want to, which is understandable given where DALLAS was headed (Patrick Duffy later admitted that they "lost objectivity" towards the end about what qualified as a good story). Howard Lakin, for the most part, replaced Paulsen, and let's just say Lakin wasn't quite as good.'

Paulsen was also supervising producer for Season 7 of KNOTS LANDING, which is controversial -- it's okay, and not my favorite year of the spin-off, but it sounds like there was a lot of politics afoot at KNOTS at the time and Paulsen made his exit after just one year, going back to DALLAS.
 

Jock's Ghost

Telly Talk Well-Known Member
I always like comparing the four wealth-based nighttime soaps of the '80s (it was almost my favorite genre, which is why I found their infamous slide mid-way through so painful and confounding) which DALLAS inspired.

There were times that all four of the shows DALLAS, KNOTS LANDING, FALCON CREST and even DYNASTY were as good -- or even better -- than each other. And that seems to do with who was producing and writing them at any given time.

All four shows were extremely well cast. And without good casting, you've got nothing but a (possibly good) script and concept.

What made DALLAS the king of the hill? Firstly, the oil business and the sheer power of it makes for a great backdrop. Also, there had been no hit nighttime serial since then-forgotten PEYTON PLACE until DALLAS.

And then there's the chancrid, ugly association everyone had around the world with the very word "Dallas" -- whenever you saw the name of city anywhere in print, it was like a six letter epithet. Because of the murder of JFK. Tens of thousands of people literally moved from the Dallas/FtWorth area in the fifteen years between 1963 and 1978 due to the association -- and the Dallas Cowboys football team didn't change the global view of it.... Only this outrageous TV series about, perhaps ironically, a corrupt Texas oil family called "DALLAS" changed the image of the city; after 'Who Shot JR?' (an unprecedented worldwide cliffhanger which was resolved 17 years almost to the day that that earlier, real life Dallas shooting happened) by the early-'80s, the city had become an exciting, Stetson-clad metropolis where JR and his family lived at Southfork Ranch with their wild barbecues and their pool fights and their drinks before dinner.

It's crazy, really.

But that's one of the reasons I like the 1978 "mini-series" with its drab, wintry vibe. Even the very first frame of the scene of Pam driving to meet her daddy, "Digger", in some shabby Houston Street pub, has the infamous Texas Schoolbook Depository clearly in the background, the "Hertz" sign, not removed for another year, still atop it like a raven or some gargoyle hovering. It was too quick for most viewers to spot it even then, but in retrospect, it adds to the history of the thing somehow.

But the first several episodes hinted, deliberately or not, at vile, sordid secrets -- secrets buried not so far in the past at the time -- conveniently ignored with the distraction of contemporary romantic issues and little family imbroglios. It's like this huge, dark silence in the background nobody's acknowledging. The old rivalries of the patriarchs spelled out in its earliest version the closest we get to ever looking under the Dallas rock and finding what might be there.

Anyway, Jacobs, Katzman, Paulsen and others also knew what to do with the concept, and how to extend it and find various layers to exploit.

And obviously at the center of it was Larry Hagman's interpretation of J.R. Ewing. An intelligent and sometimes brilliant actor, Hagman played all imaginable sides of this nasty, snickering sociopathically-inclined oil man, turning J.R. into a legend in his own time and one of the great villains in the annals of fiction.

Which is why Donna Reed's Mis-Ellie, the dream resolution, and the campy last two or three seasons felt like such a betrayal. Or, as Susan Howard once phrased it, "the audience abused again."

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Depository? Wow. The appeal is in the characters. Even though they were filthy rich, they still had relatable problems. Nearly every family has squabbling brothers, but the Ewings dialed it up to 11. Gary the alcoholic black sheep who wanted nothing but his freedom.... Bobby everyone's favorite and JR., the smartest, hardest worker in the family yet often times hated for the very thing he was trianed and taught to do. JR could never understand that his Daddy taught him his dirty tricks yet no one bat an eye when Jock used them, but villfied JR for it. Of course JR didnt know when to pull back.
Gary threw away what JR fought for and Bobby was given. JR fought tooth and nail for everything including his Daddys approval. The parents even used words like, "favorite" in describing their dynamics with their kids. No wonder JR was his way and Gary his.
JR was often described as the one you love to hate. No. I never hated JR. I find myself agreeing with him too often. He was harsh and cruel to Sue Ellen but she allowed it.
I think the show works as nice fantasy release up against KNOTS LANDING but not too outlandish compared to DYNASTY. FALCON CREST was an agreeable compromise.
Knots Landing is the better show as it knew how to write for its female characters, but DALLAS is where it all began.... it set a tone of soap opera story telling, but some degree of logic and grounded. Until of course, zombie Bobby returned.
 

ArchieLucasCarringtonEwing1989

Telly Talk TV Fanatic
It's funny, I'm currently watching the 21st-century soaps and I feel like, while New DALLAS is the perfect soap, EMPIRE is something more than a soap and New DYNASTY is something less than a soap.

New Dynasty was a strange one, it tried to undo the OG’s mistake of ruining Fallon’s character by over exposing her! Instead of the Carrington children being recast it was the wives of Blake Carrington who were this time around!

I feel that the show runners only watched the worst of chaotic middle years (seasons 5 to 7) and ignored seasons 1-4 and 8-9, seasons 3, 4 and 8 were far from good, but the had more coherent storylines unlike seasons 5-7
 
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