If You Were Gary, Would All The Love You Had For Jock Be Gone After The Stipulation He Put In The Will?

[Billy Wall]

I can only speak for myself, but I’d find it VERY hard to have anymore feelings for Jock after he put in an humiliating stipulation in his will, a stipulation that he didn’t put in for anybody else, namely Ray who has been a Ewing for all of a year and have no experience with that kind of money.

Yes, Gary had issues, but that was a long time ago and it’s not Jock’s job to punish a grown man in that fashion, from the grave no less.

 

[Michelle Stevens]

Jock was certainly cruel to Gary and picked favorites amongst his children. Gary was so much better off moving to Knots Landing.

 

[CeeCee72]

I think if I had been Gary, any love I had for Jock would have been gone after he kidnapped my daughter.

 

[Luke_Krebbs_Ewing]

Certainly not.

Even Gary should whole heartedly acknowledge that he had a drink problem.

The only reason Jock put that stipulation in his bequest was to stop Gary squandering his inheritance.

Gary should be thankful that his Father cared enough about him to do that.

It's clear from that bequest that Jock loved Gary very much, no matter what there differences were when Jock was alive.

Jock only wanted to do the best for all of his sons. And to be honest I think he did the best he could do.

 

[Chris2]

As a condition of my will I would have made Gary walk around downtown Dallas with a sandwich board that said, “In order inherit my daddy’s money, he’s making me wear this sandwich board! And I’m doing it so I don’t have to work at that smelly used car dealership anymore.”

 

[CeeCee72]

There was no reason for Lucy to be taken away from Valene other than Jock, JR, and the rest of the Ewings felt she is wasn't good enough to raise Ewing blood. I honestly don't see how Gary can EVER be expected to forgive that.

 

[Luke_Krebbs_Ewing]

There was no reason for Lucy to be taken away from Valene other than Jock, JR, and the rest of the Ewings felt she is wasn't good enough to raise Ewing blood. I honestly don't see how Gary can EVER be expected to forgive that.

Valene was unfit to raise Lucy.

So was Gary.

It's as simple as that.

 

[Billy Wall]

Certainly not.

Even Gary should whole heartedly acknowledge that he had a drink problem.

The only reason Jock put that stipulation in his bequest was to stop Gary squandering his inheritance.

Gary should be thankful that his Father cared enough about him to do that.

It's clear from that bequest that Jock loved Gary very much, no matter what there differences were when Jock was alive.

Jock only wanted to do the best for all of his sons. And to be honest I think he did the best he could do.

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At that point, Gary had gotten passed his alcoholism. He had no problems giving Ray, who in many ways, was just as bad as Gary, his millions without any stipulation. He had no problems setting up this contest knowing full well what JR would do to win.

Let’s face it, as Miss Ellie once said to Jock, “you may have loved Gary, but you never cared for him. You never tried to get to know him.” That’s a pretty damning statement to a father about his child.

 

[Toni]

Valene was unfit to raise Lucy.

So was Gary.

It's as simple as that.

Because of her coffee?

 

[Luke_Krebbs_Ewing]

At that point, Gary had gotten passed his alcoholism. He had no problems giving Ray, who in many ways, was just as bad as Gary, his millions without any stipulation. He had no problems setting up this contest knowing full well what JR would do to win.

Let’s face it, as Miss Ellie put it, “You may have loved Gary, but you never cared for him.” That’s a pretty damning statement to a father about his child.

Hold on a second Billy.

Just because Gary had gotten passed his alcoholism at that point doesn't mean he was clean.

Many alcoholics can clean themselves up for a while & then go on a binger.

Alcoholics are always in recovery, one drink can push them over the edge.

Jock had the right idea. He knew that Gary whether he was recovering or not would always be in danger of using his bequest to fund his drinking habit. An alcoholic is never truly clean especially if they've been left a bequest in a will which amounts to millions.

Jock did the right thing by limiting access to the money he left Gary. It would've been so easy for Gary to fall off the wagon again if Jock hadn't made that stipulation.

 

[Billy Wall]

Hold on a second Billy.

Just because Gary had gotten passed his alcoholism at that point doesn't mean he was clean.

Many alcoholics can clean themselves up for a while & then go on a binger.

Alcoholics are always in recovery, one drink can push them over the edge.

Jock had the right idea. He knew that Gary whether he was recovering or not would always be in danger of using his bequest to fund his drinking habit. An alcoholic is never truly clean especially if they've been left a bequest in a will which amounts to millions.

Jock did the right thing by limiting access to the money he left Gary. It would've been so easy for Gary to fall off the wagon again if Jock hadn't made that stipulation.

Gary was a grown man, not a teenager. If he squandered his inheritance, that’s on him. IMO, if you’re going to leave someone an inheritance, you don’t put stipulations in. Or don’t leave him/her an inheritance at all.

Like Gary said when he gave his shares of Ewing Oil to Lucy, “Jock was just being nice in giving him those shares.” I think the same thing rings true about the inheritance. Jock didn’t want to leave him anything, he only did it for his self conscience and possibly for Miss Ellie’s sake.

 

[Chris2]

I think Jock had a point. How long did Gary have that money before Abby began trying to swindle him out of it? He definitely thought with his penis.

 

[Luke_Krebbs_Ewing]

Because of her coffee?

No.

Let's be serious here.

Her parental skills were zero.

Did you ever stop to wonder why Lucy never went to Knots Landing to be with her parents?

JR might not be the warmest person on Dallas but believe it or not he did act on Lucy's best interests.

Valene wasn't interested in Lucy. Harsh but true. She only became interested in her when they met when Lucy was a teenager.

Whatever the circumstances for JR taking Lucy away from Valene the first time has never been fully documented in the show. However because of that both Jock & Miss Ellie raised Lucy. She still turned out a bit of a wild card initially. At least she came to know her parents eventually through the intervention of Bobby.

 

[Mustard]

I think if I had been Gary, any love I had for Jock would have been gone after he kidnapped my daughter.

That was J.R. It's pretty obvious that J.R. lied to Jock about Valene's defiant actions.

 

[Luke_Krebbs_Ewing]

Gary was a grown man, not a teenager. If he squandered his inheritance, that’s on him. IMO, if you’re going to leave someone an inheritance, you don’t put stipulations in. Or don’t leave him/her an inheritance at all.

Like Gary said when he gave his shares of Ewing Oil to Lucy, “Jock was just being nice in giving him those shares.” I think the same thing rings true about the inheritance. Jock didn’t want to leave him anything, he only did it for his self conscience and possibly for Miss Ellie’s sake.

Now hold on buddy, Jock loved Gary.

He might not have showed it so much when he was alive but he did.

Jock must've felt he needed to leave Gary a bequest but limit it in order to protect him from squandering it.

It was Jock's money and he was fully entitled to leave it to his son's. Even if he felt that Gary needed limited access to what he wanted to leave him.

 

[Mustard]

No.

Let's be serious here.

Her parental skills were zero.

No way. You underestimate Val.

Did you ever stop to wonder why Lucy never went to Knots Landing to be with her parents?

She did in Season 1. The reason she didn't go more is because Knots (early seasons especially) is too middle/working class for what Lucy is used to. Val, after initial nerves, likes the place because it's down to Earth and by the ocean.

JR might not be the warmest person on Dallas but believe it or not he did act on Lucy's best interests.

Valene wasn't interested in Lucy. Harsh but true.

Valene took Lucy herself. She was interested in Lucy.

She only became interested in her when they met when Lucy was a teenager.

After J.R. had threatened to have her killed well over a decade earlier if she ever returned to Texas. Val's persistence was a nuisance for J.R. even then.

Whatever the circumstances for JR taking Lucy away from Valene the first time has never been fully documented in the show. However because of that both Jock & Miss Ellie raised Lucy. She still turned out a bit of a wild card initially. At least she came to know her parents eventually through the intervention of Bobby.

Lucy is a very different person as a result of her upbringing, though. She's been spoiled rotten.

 

[Billy Wall]

I think Jock had a point. How long did Gary have that money before Abby began trying to swindle him out of it? He definitely thought with his penis.

How long did Ray have it before he went broke? Again, Gary’s a grown man. He loses that money, that’s on him. He doesn’t need Jock looking out for him. Even though that’s just a cop out excuse for Jock to, one last time, to present Gary as the “weaker” Ewing.

 

[Billy Wall]

That was J.R. It's pretty obvious that J.R. lied to Jock about Valene's defiant actions.

I don’t think Jock and Miss Ellie were blind to what happened. This is the one time I believe JR had their blessings to “go find and bring our granddaughter back home.”

 

[Mustard]

I don’t think Jock and Miss Ellie were blind to what happened. This is the one time I believe JR had their blessings to “go find and bring our granddaughter back home.”

They knew about Gary's alcoholism and running away, and about Val running off with Lucy, but I bet the exact details of what happened with the "old boys" ripping Lucy out of Val's arms weren't told, nor Val's persistent attempts at legal action afterwards leading to J.R.'s death threat to Val. In a similar way, Jock was led to assume after the Reunion episodes that Val had taken J.R.'s money to leave Southfork when Gary had left again.

It's easy to imagine J.R. saying that Valene didn't like it, but she couldn't cope, so I had to do what was right for Lucy and our family.

 

[Jimmy Todd]

No.

Let's be serious here.

Her parental skills were zero.

Did you ever stop to wonder why Lucy never went to Knots Landing to be with her parents?

JR might not be the warmest person on Dallas but believe it or not he did act on Lucy's best interests.

Valene wasn't interested in Lucy. Harsh but true. She only became interested in her when they met when Lucy was a teenager.

Whatever the circumstances for JR taking Lucy away from Valene the first time has never been fully documented in the show. However because of that both Jock & Miss Ellie raised Lucy. She still turned out a bit of a wild card initially. At least she came to know her parents eventually through the intervention of Bobby.

Valene was poor and a teenager, but she wasn't an unfit mother. JR took Lucy to get into his parents' good graces. Gary abandoned her, and JR told the family, and later Lucy, that it was Valene who had abandoned her. Val was run out of town by JR's thugs, and he threatened to kill her if she came back. Yet, she did come back later when she had the means and the inner strength.
If JR and the Ewings truly cared about Lucy's welfare they would have invited her to live on SF with Lucy.
The fact that Lucy only visited Knots once was really a contrivance of the writers.