What if there were more women writers on Dallas?

Jimmy Todd

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I'm not sure how many female writers and producers there were exactly, but without looking it up, I suspect there weren't too many. If there were more women giving input into plots and character development, what are some stories that you think would definitely have played out differently?
 

Snarky Oracle!

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There were several, especially in the early seasons.
 

Mustard

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From Season 10 DVD, it felt very much like a macho male driven takeover on Dallas, who believed the season before had been too female dominated. Barbara Carrera's Angelica Nero must have rubbed them up the wrong way. It's a bit weird really, but the macho vibe in Season 10 DVD is very obvious. Dallas never had any of that before. Cliff Barnes was never more sexist and rude, ever, even him, than what he was that season. Even so, the season still had 5 episodes written by Leah Markus, 1 episode written by Susan Howard (Chrane) and 1 episode written by Louella Lee Caraway, plus 1 episode directed by Linda Gray, so 8 of the season's 29 episodes had either a female writer or a female director.
 
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the-lost-son

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From Season 10 DVD, it felt very much like a macho male driven takeover on Dallas, who believed the season before had been too female dominated. Barbara Carrera's Angelica Nero must have rubbed them up the wrong way. It's a bit weird really, but the macho vibe in Season 10 DVD is very obvious. Dallas never had any of that before. Cliff Barnes was never more sexist and rude, ever, even him, than what he was that season. Even so, the season still had 5 episodes written by Leah Markus, 1 episode written by Susan Howard (Chrane) and 1 episode written by Louella Lee Caraway, plus 1 episode directed by Linda Gray, so 8 of the season's 29 episodes had either a female writer or a female director.
Yes. It's very sudden as well without any build-up. I don't believe it had much today with the writers' gender though. In that season Dallas was put against Miami Vice.
I assume they targeted some of the competition's target group. Suddenly JR, Bobby and Ray are running around with guns chasing BD Calhoun.
(I always assumed that the later seasons had to be so silly because of all these sitcoms' success).

On the topic:
I doubt that the gender of the writers would have made a difference.
 

CeeCee72

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To me, the only major female character who didn't eventually come into her own was Miss Ellie -- who was used even less in the closing years instead of more...
Let's see -. Mandy seemed to exist for the entire purpose of wanting JR.

Sue Ellen seemed to exist for the sole purpose of wanting JR/hating JR/loving JR/obsessing about JR and revenge.

Jenna seemed to exist for the sole purposes of wanting Bobby/providing a companion for Ray.

To me, the only women who came "into their own" were Pam and Donna - and we lost both of them at once.
 

Jock Ewing Fan

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I don't know if there would have been a significant difference Seasons 1-10.
Once JR became the main character, the entire narrative became JR first, the Bobby-Pam marriage/relationship next.
Male or Female writers, I thought Pam was written too holier than thou, so I don't think the
writers' gender would have been much different.
Seasons 11-14, might have been different, since it was now a different show entirely
 

Snarky Oracle!

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Let's see -. Mandy seemed to exist for the entire purpose of wanting JR.

Sue Ellen seemed to exist for the sole purpose of wanting JR/hating JR/loving JR/obsessing about JR and revenge.

Jenna seemed to exist for the sole purposes of wanting Bobby/providing a companion for Ray.

To me, the only women who came "into their own" were Pam and Donna - and we lost both of them at once.

And the guys only existed to obtain and provide resources.

Besides, didn't Sue Ellen come into her own eventually?.
 

CeeCee72

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And the guys only existed to obtain and provide resources.

Besides, didn't Sue Ellen come into her own eventually?.
I would argue that Sue Ellen did come into her own, but then the writers undid all that progress by making her so fixated and obsessed with revenge against JR.

The guys existed for a lot more than just to provide resources. They were in complete control of their lives, whereas the women were pawns in the plots of all the various men.
 

Snarky Oracle!

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I would argue that Sue Ellen did come into her own, but then the writers undid all that progress by making her so fixated and obsessed with revenge against JR.

The guys existed for a lot more than just to provide resources. They were in complete control of their lives, whereas the women were pawns in the plots of all the various men.

Everybody was revenge-based. And the guys, even more revenge-based, were not in control of their lives because they were so revenge-based.
 

Luke_Krebbs_Ewing

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Cliff was revenge based.

JR was based on striving for success,not revenge.

Certainly, Jock, Ray, and Bobby were not revenge based.

Yeah poor Jock only wanted to be with his family when Miss Ellie found those things in Wes Parmalee's bunk house.

Now that it was forced on him he wasn't about to deny who he was. :)
 

CeeCee72

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JR wasn't revenge-based??
Revenge was sometimes a factor in what he did, but it was never his sole motivation. Even with Cliff, it was less about "revenge" and more about smacking him down to get him away from Sue Ellen and Ewing Oil.

Sue Ellen's sole motivation for breathing that last season was to get revenge on JR - nothing else mattered to her at all.
 

Jimmy Todd

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A plot that illustrates the meaning behind my post involves. Right before she leaves the show she talks to Ray about feeling empty in life because she doesm't have a man. He suggests she look up her ex-husband, Mitch, which she does. It's as if finding a man, even one in which the relationship failed, is her only option. No one, not even Lucy herself, thinks since she's a young heiress, she cam do anything- start a business, study,travel the world, visit her parents and those siblings she hasn't met, etc. If Susan Howard was writing that episode would Lucy have a different exit story?
 
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