Could Pam really have been Digger's daughter after all?

Mustard

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I think Bobby was born in 1949, and Cliff not long before that even though he looks older. Bobby was around 12-13 when Valene was living with Gary at Southfork in 1961-62. Cliff was 5 when Rebecca left, and Rebecca left before Pam could talk but after Pam could walk. That fits Rebecca's apparent death as 1954.
 
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Michelle Stevens

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Scary Organ said:
oldDALLAS established in 1980 that Pam was born sometimes after Christmas 1952, perhaps January 1953. And Bobby was born a couple of months earlier around the time Eisenhower's election in November 1952.

During the dream season, Bobby's headstone as dreamed by Pam gave Patrick's actual DOB of 17 March 1949.

These things fluctuate, don't they...
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Indeed. JR's year of birth has fluctuated from 1933/'34 in the early years to as late as 1939 in the later years and TNT. I guess they never thought anyone would notice.
 
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Trick-Or-Treat Stevens said:
Indeed. JR's year of birth has fluctuated from 1933/'34 in the early years to as late as 1939 in the later years and TNT. I guess they never thought anyone would notice.
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Wasn't J.R.'s birth around 1936 in the Early Years? It makes sense that J.R. would get attached to Jock emotionally before Jock leaves to fight in WW2, while Gary's very early years saw very little of Jock. That way, J.R. is emotionally strong with Jock about things, while Gary resents Jock's harshness and demands.
 
Michelle Stevens

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Mustard said:
Wasn't J.R.'s birth around 1936 in the Early Years? It makes sense that J.R. would get attached to Jock emotionally before Jock leaves to fight in WW2, while Gary's very early years saw very little of Jock. That way, J.R. is emotionally strong with Jock about things, while Gary resents Jock's harshness and demands.
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This was from the early seasons stating JR was 42 on 14 July 1976, making his birth later 1933 or earlier 1934.

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Indeed in the Early Years 1936 fit.

As for Jock and Ellie celebrating their 40th anniversary in 1978, Sue Ellen was right he was a bastard. ;)
 
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Mustard said:
Wasn't J.R.'s birth around 1936 in the Early Years?
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Even THE EARLY YEARS screwed with the ages, too -- probably not on purpose. Toddlers Bobby & Pam first meet at the 1951 Southfork barbecue --- which is really too early (except for Victoria, of course). It should have been 1956, the barbecue, a celebration of Eisenhower's second term.

Also, it was later established that Jock & Ellie were married "for 45 years" when Jock died in 1981, which woul support that 1936. And contradicts the 1938. date

But as David Jacobs has said, these kinds of incongruities are inevitable in a long-running show.
 
Mustard

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Scary Organ said:
Even THE EARLY YEARS screwed with the ages, too -- probably not on purpose. Toddlers Bobby & Pam first meet at the 1951 Southfork barbecue --- which is really too early (except for Victoria, of course). It should have been 1956, the barbecue, a celebration of Eisenhower's second term.

Also, it was later established that Jock & Ellie were married "for 45 years" when Jock died in 1981, which woul support that 1936. And contradicts the 1938. date

But as David Jacobs has said, these kinds of incongruities are inevitable in a long-running show.
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Sheriff Fenton Washburn said that the estimations of the length of time of Hutch McKinney's body being buried at Southfork were 25-30 years. That was in the 1979-80 season.
 
Snarky Oracle!

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Actually, these kinds of inconsistencies probably irritate me more than it/they should -- I find the backstories on these shows is almost the most important fertile source for the contemporary narrative.

i think audiences really like that stuff (and I certainly do) but for so many programs, there seems to be little or no motive to try and keep timelines from the past aligned.. And even when the writers need to tweak the history for some reason, an umbrella explanation can be manufactured to help incorporate the new data about the past, and reconcile any discrepancies. Or, with lesser issues, just assert that earlier information was wrong, the flaws of someone's memory.

But the producers never notice those discrepancies and so they often happen left and right. Only the fans pick up on the goofy date changes.

The show-runners should keep a big family "bible" when they start doing a series and record all historical dates that the scripts establish for this-and-that, to prevent errors. And if errors happen, once discoevered, they can be rationalized (e.g., they lied, they made a mistake) or one of those umbrella explanations can be implemented.

But that doesn't tend to happen.

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Sheriff Fenton Washburn said that the estimations of the length of time of Hutch McKinney's body being buried at Southfork were 25-30 years. That was in the 1979-80 season.
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Yes, they said the same for Roger Grimes 8 years later. Both victims had anachronistic haircuts.

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Years later, David Jacobs said that Victoria didn't have the best relationship with the executives, and that that sometimes winds up affecting what happens on screen -- although, obviously, it shouldn't.
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Those two guys from the spin-off (Jacobs & Filerman) certainly had a quite big mouth, always in the mood for "knots b*tching"... :rolleyes:
 
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Bobby showed tremendous resiliency for a 12 year old, or whatever he was supposed to be according to his driver’s license (driver of what, a bicycle?) in the critically-acclaimed episode Kidnapped
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Blue-Eyed Bobby, born on the first of November, 1966.

This footage of Cliff rifling through the youngest Ewing son's wallet aired December 16, 1978. Depending on when it was filmed, Bobby was either 11 or 12 (which makes Kidnapper Faye's unwanted advances on a handcuffed Bobby even more disturbing than we might have thought!)

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The Spooky Guzzler said:
Blue-Eyed Bobby, born on the first of November, 1966.

This footage of Cliff rifling through the youngest Ewing son's wallet aired December 16, 1978. Depending on when it was filmed, Bobby was either 11 or 12 (which makes Kidnapper Faye's unwanted advances on a handcuffed Bobby even more disturbing than we might have thought!)

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Is that from the Season 2 DVD episode Kidnapped? It aired 17 December 1978 in the US, and 9 January 1979 in the UK. A date of birth of 1 November 1966 for Bobby Ewing is obviously ridiculous in whatever timeline. LOL.
 
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In my timeline, 1953 was Pam's birth, 1954 was Rebecca's leaving Digger, Cliff and Pam and her apparent death. That puts Cliff's birth around 1948 or early 1949. I have the births of J.R. at 1936, Gary at 1943 or 1944 (conceived before Jock left the US for Britain during WW2), Ray at 1945, Valene at 1945 or 1946, Bobby at 1949. Also, Miss Ellie at 1915, Jock at 1909 or so, Digger around 1912, Lucy at 1961. Rebecca about 1929, she said she was 17 when she got with Digger.
 
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that may be true, but it didn't deter opportunistic young Edison Faraday Haynes

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Ed Haynes was right in the sense that the marriage was legal (I think the marriageable age was 14 for girls and 16 for boys in Juarez, Chihuahua state, whereas it was 18 in Texas apart from "emancipated" 16-17 year olds), but the marriage was annulled anyway. A sober Digger was there and the marriage hadn't been consumated, and he got Pam to annul the marriage.
 
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Then there's the "1930" issue addressed in the miniseries (I haven't seen THE EARLY YEARS in ages -- what do they say about 1930??) and then there's the 1938 marriage date and the 1936 marriage date.

Jock said that Ellie and Digger were "15 --- 16, tops!" Was that in 1930? Was Ellie born in 1915 as some tombstones in the show say? Or was she 16 when she married Jock in 1936 or 1938, allowing JR to be born in 1937 or 1939?

They had JR and Sue Ellen, consistently for several years, married in 1971, but it was rolled back to "1970" by the time they re-married (shame on you, Paulsen!!)

It's all so confusing. Because no one behind the camera can keep it consstent. So we wind up fanwank-correcting it to our preferences.

But when the 17 guestrooms in Southfork have windows on each of its four walls, the possibilities are endless.

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