Pam's mummy debacle - was this a dig at Victoria?

Snarky Oracle!

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Linda Gray was fired? Almost every article/interview I've seen said she chose not to renew her contract. Its been a few years since I read her book, but I think even there she never wrote anything about being fired.

Linda was fired but, as these things often go, the public story -- from both her and the production company -- was that she left voluntarily.

Under Telepictures, Lorimar was slashing budgets. Victoria left of her own volition, but Linda, Steven, Barbara (both times), Charlene and Priscilla were all released due to supposed financial constraints. Susan's release seemed more vindictive in nature.

By this point, all the money for the actors was going to Larry and Patrick.
 

Luke_Krebbs_Ewing

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Linda was fired but, as these things often go, the public story -- from both her and the production company -- was that she left voluntarily.

Under Telepictures, Lorimar was slashing budgets. Victoria left of her own volition, but Linda, Steven, Barbara (both times), Charlene and Priscilla were all released due to supposed financial constraints. Susan's release seemed more vindictive in nature.

By this point, all the money for the actors was going to Larry and Patrick.

I remember reading an article in the press where Linda said that she watched her sister Betty die and she didn't want to do Dallas any more.

However I can well believe that she was fired in much the same way that Charlene Tilton got the boot. :(
 

Laurie!

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Well, no, the actors often put out public statements which aren't really reliable. That's just how the business is.
I think the most accurate public statement was when Linda publicly complained during nuDALLAS about not getting enough screen time or whatever (again Duffy didn't have her back cause he was too busy sucking up to Cidre and getting rewarded by getting more screen time than the new generation...what the show was about originally).
 

Chase Gioberti

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Just started re-watcching Season 11 for the first time in a 100 years, and I cracked up when I saw Pam's 'mummy' with the arms strapped up in the hospital.
This has been discussed many times, but I wonder if the writers were having a dig at Victoria's acting abilities and excessvive wages?

I can't see why the producers would want to mess the viewer around yet again after the Donna Reid/Barbara Bel and Bobby in the shower debacles, but if they knew Victoria wasn't coming back, why did they keep her alive in the hospital for a while in these episodes?

Was the intention to have her leave the hospital for plastic surgery and then return later for good as Margaret Michales in a re-cast? Is that what these scenes were about, or were the writers having a final dig at Victoria for leaving, saying here we can get a mummy to play you just as convincingly for a fraction of the cost?

If they really were going to re-cast her, I wonder if the original intention was dropped when they realized how ridiculous it was all comign across to the viewers, and saw the chemistry betwen Bobby and April as a better road to go down instead?


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This really was a debacle. So so stupid.
 

Mustard

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Linda Gray was fired? Almost every article/interview I've seen said she chose not to renew her contract. Its been a few years since I read her book, but I think even there she never wrote anything about being fired.
What more was left to do with Sue Ellen by that point? Linda Gray's departure at the end of Season 12 DVD seems to be an acknowledgment of that, combined with the budget situation.
 

Luke_Krebbs_Ewing

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What more was left to do with Sue Ellen by that point? Linda Gray's departure at the end of Season 12 DVD seems to be an acknowledgment of that, combined with the budget situation.

Well, Leonard Katzman apparently told Linda that her character had more or less come full circle.

However the show was never the same once the original cast members began to leave with the sad exception of Jim Davis who tragically passed away from a brain cancer. Although the departure of Jock Ewing did help to provide Dallas with some of the more meatier and memorable storylines during the aftermath of the character's death. :(
 

KayLloyd

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I think the most accurate public statement was when Linda publicly complained during nuDALLAS about not getting enough screen time or whatever (again Duffy didn't have her back cause he was too busy sucking up to Cidre and getting rewarded by getting more screen time than the new generation...what the show was about originally.
The screen time spent on the original Dallas characters kept the show from tanking sooner than it did. That's who Dallas fans were tuning in too see. Bobby was the patriarch of the family and running Southfork. When they focused the ridiculous storylines on the characters that Dallas fans didn't care about, like Ann and Elena and their families, they tuned out. It's really a shame because NuDallas had great potential, but Cidre blew it by disregarding what Dallas fans wanted and serving up her threesome, crazy ex-mother-in-law, and drug cartel crap.
 
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Laurie!

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The screen time spent on the original Dallas characters kept the show from tanking sooner than it did.
I can partially agree but it was supposed to be the next generation so it would make absolutely no sense to kill Christopher for example so Bobby could mourn him while also replacing him with Lucas....again, just for Bobby's reaction.
The better storyline would have been to bring in Lucas and create friction for Christopher (being adopted) with Bobby in the background playing peacekeeper. Similar to Jock dealing with Bobby and JR finding out Ray was their brother.

So the problem was the storylines weren't well written for the new generation and instead were watered down by King Bobby and the non DALLAS crazies. Bobby, JR and SE were never going to be ratings generators beyond the first curiosity season to springboard the next generation plots.
 
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Snarky Oracle!

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nuDALLAS just didn't get the balance right -- and seemed clueless about what that might be. Obviously, for a continuation to work, you need the established characters fleshed out by the now-grown kids.

But they kept bringing in new characters who had little to do with the Ewings, the Ewings themselves taking a backseat to the maid's daughter's ex-inlaws' cocaine connection (at least, that's how I remembered it) and there were minimal family scenes at hollow Southfork. The few good things nuDALLAS did seemed to be accidental.

The new show kept steering away from what it (organically, I believe) wanted to be.

It was painfully predictable: an apathetic network executive hands the assignment to an unfamiliar producer to revive the most successful drama series of all time, and no one feels the need to do their homework.

How could it have worked?

Was Victoria asked back? Was she black-balled? It wouldn't have mattered... If they've brought Pam back, her female gym teacher's daughter's anxiety disorder would have been the plotline, and JR might occasionally taunt her about her not renewing her prescriptions. If they thought about it.

JR's masterpiece and oldPam's death explanation were the best things otherwise tone-deaf nuDALLAS ever did. John Ross' casting was good. Some of the scenes at Ewing Global had promise. Valene calling Sue Ellen a "bitch" was nice. The autumn-winter vibe was effectively different from most of the original series.

What a wasted opportunity.


"If love is for pussies -- then I'm your pussy! Kiss me, you goddamned bastard!!"
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Snowcat

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nuDALLAS just didn't get the balance right -- and seemed clueless about what that might be. Obviously, for a continuation to work, you need the established characters fleshed out by the now-grown kids.

But they kept bringing in new characters who had little to do with the Ewings, the Ewings themselves taking a backseat to the maid's daughter's ex-inlaws' cocaine connection (at least, that's how I remembered it) and there were minimal family scenes at hollow Southfork. The few good things nuDALLAS did seemed to be accidental.

The new show kept steering away from what it (organically, I believe) wanted to be.

It was painfully predictable: an apathetic network executive hands the assignment to an unfamiliar producer to revive the most successful drama series of all time, and no one feels the need to do their homework.

How could it have worked?

Was Victoria asked back? Was she black-balled? It wouldn't have mattered... If they've brought Pam back, her female gym teacher's daughter's anxiety disorder would have been the plotline, and JR might occasionally taunt her about her not renewing her prescriptions. If they thought about it.

JR's masterpiece and oldPam's death explanation were the best things otherwise tone-deaf nuDALLAS ever did. John Ross' casting was good. Some of the scenes at Ewing Global had promise. Valene calling Sue Ellen a "bitch" was nice. The autumn-winter vibe was effectively different from most of the original series.

What a wasted opportunity.


"If love is for pussies -- then I'm your pussy! Kiss me, you goddamned bastard!!"
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I don’t know if she was asked back. During an interview she was very clear that she was not going to do the new Dallas. She thought the mummy story was ridiculous and said there is no way Pam could have lived. She was pleased with her exit scene from Dallas because she felt it was clear to fans that Pam was never coming back
 

Snarky Oracle!

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I don’t know if she was asked back. During an interview she was very clear that she was not going to do the new Dallas. She thought the mummy story was ridiculous and said there is no way Pam could have lived. She was pleased with her exit scene from Dallas because she felt it was clear to fans that Pam was never coming back

That's what she said. But she also claims she was born in 1950. And that she wasn't for sale -- on any terms -- to do Season 11 of oldDALLAS.

So recollections vary.

VP said she was asked to return for nuDALLAS but turned them down. The nuDALLAS producers insist she was never asked. Others still insist that one of the three leads in nuDALLAS black-balled her and demanded that VP not be added to the cast, or else..

I have no idea which entity is telling the truth. It's like trying to determine whether the Democrats or the Republicans are lying the most -- you just can't!

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