Dancing Angela &Jane Wyman

[Richard Denault]

What a pity we didn't see a more carefree and cheerful Angela
Especially when she was with Peter, I think we didn't see her dance and sing, she didn't do it badly, she started her career as a showgirl and singer.
Most of the sequences are from Just for You (1952) with Bing Crosby and Let's Do It Again (1953) with Ray Milland,
After Belinda Wyman Wyman expressed interest around this time of doing no more "weepy" roles.
That's why she loved Falcon Crest Wyman said she wanted to make it as it was a change from "the four handkerchief bits" she was known for. "You just can't miss something like this," But it's a shame she didn't bring a bit of benevolent humor to her character. By the way, Earl Hamner commented that Jane still had prettier legs.

 

[Richard Denault]

What a pity we didn't see a more carefree and cheerful Angela
Especially when she was with Peter, I think we didn't see her dance and sing, she didn't do it badly, she started her career as a showgirl and singer.
Most of the sequences are from Just for You (1952) with Bing Crosby and Let's Do It Again (1953) with Ray Milland,
After Belinda Wyman Wyman expressed interest around this time of doing no more "weepy" roles.
That's why she loved Falcon Crest Wyman said she wanted to make it as it was a change from "the four handkerchief bits" she was known for. "You just can't miss something like this," But it's a shame she didn't bring a bit of benevolent humor to her character. By the way, Earl Hamner commented that Jane still had prettier legs.

Link o trailer Let's Do It Again (1953)

▶️ Let's Do It Again

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[Chloe-Fusco]

It would have been something if Jane's old friend Bing Crosby and co-star from the fifties had at least a cameo, when she was Angela - "Zing a little zong" everyone.

 

[Richard Denault]

It would have been something if Jane's old friend Bing Crosby and co-star from the fifties had at least a cameo, when she was Angela - "Zing a little zong" everyone.

Bing Crosby died in 1977 in the outskirts of Madrid when he was playing golf
But Angela and Peter could have had a jolly dance scene at Falcon Crest.
Cesar was a partner of Carmen Miranda in various musicals of the forties

 

[Angela Channing]

After Belinda Wyman Wyman expressed interest around this time of doing no more "weepy" roles.

Really? I hadn't heard that before. She was famous for the "Wyman Weepies" and made many tear-jerking films after Johnny Belinda, including Magnificent Obsession, All That Heaven Allows (one of my favourites), The Blue Veil (which was used in Falcon Crest), Miracle In The Rain and even Pollyanna is a bit of a weepy. She always did manage to do a range of film roles and did lots of light comedy in her 1950s and 1960s films and in her TV series The Jane Wyman Theatre, she took on a lot of different dramatic roles. I think was Falcon Crest did for her was allow her to play a more ruthless character who was a bit of a baddie which wasn't a role we had seen from her in her film career.

 

[Richard Denault]

Really? I hadn't heard that before. She was famous for the "Wyman Weepies" and made many tear-jerking films after Johnny Belinda, including Magnificent Obsession, All That Heaven Allows (one of my favourites), The Blue Veil (which was used in Falcon Crest), Miracle In The Rain and even Pollyanna is a bit of a weepy. She always did manage to do a range of film roles and did lots of light comedy in her 1950s and 1960s films and in her TV series The Jane Wyman Theatre, she took on a lot of different dramatic roles. I think was Falcon Crest did for her was allow her to play a more ruthless character who was a bit of a baddie which wasn't a role we had seen from her in her film career.

I have read it somewhere
I do think that All That Heaven Allows is a very good movie with an original script, not a remark like Obsession
As for Blue Veil, Greta Garbo and Ingrid Berman turned down the role. They would have given another meaning to the film
She herself recognized the New York Times
"JAME WYMAN: 'I ALWAYS DID FOUR-HANDKERCHIEF ROLES. UNTIL NOW.'"
And to many on the street who said they remembered her so well, she was invariably mistaken for another actress, Jane Wyatt.
She was a good professional and a good actress but not a great star.
The proof is that although she had partners like Gregory Peck, Charton Heston and Rock Hudson, but when they were starting her career. She was never the partner of an established male star
I don't know if you know this website. I think she's good even though she only talks about her movie career

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[Arlene Halloran]

Jane was good doing the two step dance and not bad at singing but I can't visualise Angie doing either. She was just too busy meddling and telling others off, to have the time.

 

[Angela Channing]

Jane was good doing the two step dance and not bad at singing but I can't visualise Angie doing either. She was just too busy meddling and telling others off, to have the time.

She was a great singer, I have a recording of her singing a duet with Danny Kaye and she is as good as any Hollywood actress, Judy Garland included.

Can you imagine Angela in a showdown with Gustav Riebmann suddenly breaking into a song and shimmering around his office? It would have killed the credibility of the show even more than Bobby returning from the dead in Dallas.

Talking of Dallas, Howard Keel managed to sing a verse of a song to Ellie and even though it was a light-hearted romantic moment, I didn't feel that worked either.

 

[Richard Denault]

She was a great singer, I have a recording of her singing a duet with Danny Kaye and she is as good as any Hollywood actress, Judy Garland included.

Can you imagine Angela in a showdown with Gustav Riebmann suddenly breaking into a song and shimmering around his office? It would have killed the credibility of the show even more than Bobby returning from the dead in Dallas.

Talking of Dallas, Howard Keel managed to sing a verse of a song to Ellie and even though it was a light-hearted romantic moment, I didn't feel that worked either.

Jane Wyman was a good professional but she wasn't a great singer. And comparing her to Judy is sacrilege.
As for singing, Richard used to hum on many occasions. Much to the concern of producer Victoria La Fortune, who indicated "Okay, I have to license that piece of music," she described a typical challenge she was faced with when David spontaneously decided again to hum or sing in a scene.“What was he singing?!” She would wonder Occasionally, she later found out he had just made it up so legal clearance was not necessary!
And she was very good. We have also seen him dance with Maggie at dinner on the beach or at night in Casablanca very romantic or even tap dance when Maggie has a problem with alcoholism.
So a romantic or lighthearted dance with Stavros would have been great.

 

[Richard Denault]

Jane was good doing the two step dance and not bad at singing but I can't visualise Angie doing either. She was just too busy meddling and telling others off, to have the time.

It was very serious as the actress who dubbed it in Spanish commented.
She had a sense of humor but hurtful she Very rigid always obsessed by the script and the marks (which indicate the positions of the actors when they shoot)
And as someone else commented she was "a cold control freak with no sense of humor. She was a talented actress, but, apparently, not likable."
Margaret Ladd commented that Jane was very distant. And she always stayed away from the other actors.
That's why we don't imagine her dancing with Peter.
In this scene where she pretends to be a flirt to make her ex-husband jealous, she looks very forced and unnatural.
The movie was a remark of a movie with Cary Grant and Irenne Dunne.

 

[Richard Denault]

Very recently I got complete seasons 4.5.6.7.8 and 9 of Falcon Crest
It surprises me that fans of Jane Wyman do not remember that in 5.10 Inconceivable affairs. The night before the wedding Angela and Peter dance together.
ANGELA
It's after midnight. What are you doing here, Peter?
PETER
It is a tradition in my country for the bride and groom to have one last dance together before they are married.
ANGELA
In this country, it's bad luck for the groom to see the bride on the day of the wedding. Go back to your boat!
She turns and starts up the stairs. Peter moves closer.
PETER
If you don't dance with me, Angela, my friend and I will sing all night.

 

[Richard Denault]

Here are other dance scenes of Richard with Gina, and Richard with Maggie
None was very dancer but there was more emotion

 

[Angela Channing]

Jane Wyman was a good professional but she wasn't a great singer

Again, this is nonsense. She was widely acknowledged in Hollywood as being a great singer. In Jane Wyman: A Biography by Joe Morella and Edward Epstein, they described a Hollywood party at which Judy Garland sang a song and no other actress was brave enough to follow her, other than Jane Wyman. After Jane finished singing, guests commented that she sang every bit as well as Ms Garland. Jane also released several records, mostly duets but also some solos, which entered the music charts.

 

[Brian Kinney]

And to many on the street who said they remembered her so well, she was invariably mistaken for another actress, Jane Wyatt.

What think Chris Pine, Chris Evans, Chris Pratt, Chris Hemsworth etc. or Dermot Mulroney and Dylan McDermott about that?

In the 1950s Jane Wyatt's film career was mostly dead. But she was the star of the TV show Father Knows Best (1954-60) - of course more people know someone from a hit TV show than from films. But I doubt many people remembered Wyatt a few years after her TV series was cancelled. That you use that as an argument against Wyman's status as a recognizable actress in the 1950s (or later) is ludicrous because Jane Wyatt's stardom was very limited.

 

[Richard Denault]

What think Chris Pine, Chris Evans, Chris Pratt, Chris Hemsworth etc. or Dermot Mulroney and Dylan McDermott about that?

In the 1950s Jane Wyatt's film career was mostly dead. But she was the star of the TV show Father Knows Best (1954-60) - of course more people know someone from a hit TV show than from films. But I doubt many people remembered Wyatt a few years after her TV series was cancelled. That you use that as an argument against Wyman's status as a recognizable actress in the 1950s (or later) is ludicrous because Jane Wyatt's stardom was very limited.

The problem is that when Jane gave the New York Times interview in 1981, 21 years had passed since it ended (Father Knows Best) 1954-1960
And as her son commented (attached screenshot) the confusion continued when Jane played Angela

 

[Brian Kinney]

The problem is that when Jane gave the New York Times interview in 1981, 21 years had passed since it ended (Father Knows Best) 1954-1960
And as her son commented (attached screenshot) the confusion continued when Jane played Angela

Wyman's son was a child when people mixed up his mother and Jane Wyatt. That didn't happen to him when Falcon Crest aired and you cut the screenshot to leave the detail out (any reason why you can't produce a link to the NYT?) Michael Reagan was 9 years old when Father Knows Best debuted on TV - that would fit to his memory.

Wyatt appeared in 1986 on FC. No, the NYT interview is not telling that the name confusion happened in 1981.

An interview in the 'Los Angeles Times' with Jane Wyatt from 1986 gives an opposite impression of what you are trying to tell.

Wyatt gets a kick out of having her name confused throughout her career with Jane Wyman, longtime movie star and now star of the television series, “Falcon Crest.”

“She’s a marvelous actress and I’m flattered to be called that--sometimes I get the best tables at restaurants because of it,” Wyatt said.

 

[Richard Denault]

Wyman's son was a child when people mixed up his mother and Jane Wyatt. That didn't happen to him when Falcon Crest aired and you cut the screenshot to leave the detail out (any reason why you can't produce a link to the NYT?) Michael Reagan was 9 years old when Father Knows Best debuted on TV - that would fit to his memory.

Wyatt appeared in 1986 on FC. No, the NYT interview is not telling that the name confusion happened in 1981.

An interview in the 'Los Angeles Times' with Jane Wyatt from 1986 gives an opposite impression of what you are trying to tell.

At your command
Here I send you the link is a very good interview
JAME WYMAN 'I ALWAYS DID FOUR-HANDKERCHIEF ROLES. UNTIL NOW.'

JAME WYMAN: 'I ALWAYS DID FOUR-HANDKERCHIEF ROLES. UNTIL NOW.' (Published 1981)

www.nytimes.com

As for what was still going on when Falcon Crest Michael Reagan told TJP
By the way, Jane Wyatt became super popular when she played Spock's mother in Star Trek. I also loved Star Trek

 

[Richard Denault]

Again, this is nonsense. She was widely acknowledged in Hollywood as being a great singer. In Jane Wyman: A Biography by Joe Morella and Edward Epstein, they described a Hollywood party at which Judy Garland sang a song and no other actress was brave enough to follow her, other than Jane Wyman. After Jane finished singing, guests commented that she sang every bit as well as Ms Garland. Jane also released several records, mostly duets but also some solos, which entered the music charts.

Judy had a life full of problems, alcohol, amphetamines, her weight-loss cures.
That they ruined her career and her voice.
What year was the party? Some bad times of Judy
As for the comment, it would be gossip. Who said that all the guests, some.

 

[Angela Channing]

Judy had a life full of problems, alcohol, amphetamines, her weight-loss cures.
That they ruined her career and her voice.
What year was the party?

I can't be bothered to look it up because you seem more interested in denigrating Jane Wyman than you are in facts.

Edit:
OK, I've relented and looked it up, it was 1943. Here is a paragraph from the book:

The Reagans went to a party one night attended by Hope, his wife, Dolores, and others, including Judy Garland. Garland sang, and then Wyman sang, indicating no reluctance to be compared to the girl considered by her peers to be one of the most talented pop singers of her era. The comparison was very favourable for Wyman. Judy had been a regular on Hope’s radio program; when Hope heard Wyman sing, he invited her to do the program as well. Jane sang a novelty song on the Hope show, “Fuddy Duddy Watchmaker", and did a comedy routine with Hope. As a result of her performance, radio offers started coming in and Warner Bros. realized Jane might have a career in that medium or, even more threatening, a lucrative contract offer from a rival studio. The events placed Jane in a good bargaining position when her seven-year contract expired, and Warners, of course, was anxious to renew.

As I said previously, your suggestion that Jane "wasn't a great singer", is total rubbish.

 

[Brian Kinney]

As for what was still going on when Falcon Crest Michael Reagan told TJP
By the way, Jane Wyatt became super popular when she played Spock's mother in Star Trek. I also loved Star Trek

RICHARD DENAULT: "And as her son commented (attached screenshot) the confusion continued when Jane played Angela"

BRIAN KINNEY: No he didn't comment it there. See your screenshot!!!

The NYT-Interview doesn't include any quote by Michael Reagan.

By the way, Jane Wyatt became super popular when she played Spock's mother in Star Trek.

No, she was cast as Spock's mother because she already was a popular TV mom in the 1950s. Perfect casting.

Either Jane Wyatt was more famous than Jane Wyman in the Fifties - in that case she couldn't get more popular by appearing only a few years later in one episode of a low-rated TV show (at the time of the original broadcast). Or Wyatt became super popular when she guest-starred in Star Trek (ignoring how much more popular Father Knows Best was) - in that case you have another definition of popular than I have.

Next: Jane Wyatt became mega popular when she appeared in Star Trek 4 - The Voyage Home.