Scenes that annoy you

[Laurie!]

All that trauma and humiliation could have been avoided if only Pam had spoken up earlier.

At least Lucy was comforted by Jock and Miss Ellie, no one comforted Sue Ellen. Everyone just casually leaves the room and leaves Sue Ellen on her knees crying. She needed a hug!

That show was cringeworthy indeed but why did Miss Ellie just sit there and leave it to Pam? Where was the "get my gun from the hall closet" Miss Ellie when it counted??

JR should have given Sue Ellen a hug. That episode was really the initial episode that perplexed me how anyone ever could consider JR and SE a love story worth emulating.

One episode that really annoys me is the dream season where Pam is first in Bobby's office at EO when his shares were given to Pam to manage (I think). JR confronts her and she does a great, strong toe-to-toe scene that seems to be a sign of things to come for that season (oh what could have been I'll forever lament). Instead, the first thing Pam does is ask Phyllis for a cup of herbal tea....which was the real symbol of things to come sadly. Not just that wasted season but for all of the women when Patrick returned with his demands for a Bobby and JR show.

 

[LMLDallas78]

why did Miss Ellie just sit there and leave it to Pam?

Miss Ellie had been in bed poorly and only appeared downstairs to find out what all the noise was about. We didn't quite know yet just how formidable Miss Ellie could be. We knew Pam had that feisty side and at this stage was a quick thinker.

If Miss Ellie had been feeling top notch I hope she would have assisted Pam. Miss Ellie must have felt better later when she insisted to Jock the kidnappers had to be let go. She didn't even show disgust at JR and Ray!

Regarding JR and Sue Ellen, for me it was a love story only because of however they treated each other and all what they'd been through, they were still such a compelling watch.

 

[Ollie james]

All scenes involving that brat charlie

 

[LMLDallas78]

When Peter and Sue Ellen go ice-skating. OMG this scene is so bad.

I love all of their scenes and their story but why on earth have them ice-skating? So obviously not them and their dialogue is done voice over. I know doubles were often used and voice overs were regularly done but this?

Of all the activities they could do, why not pick swimming, crazy golf, tennis? Anything, just something the actors could actually do on screen!
It's so bad, embarrassingly bad and really annoying. The only one scene of Sue Ellen I tend not to watch so I'm glad it's short.

 

[CeeCee72]

When Peter and Sue Ellen go ice-skating. OMG this scene is so bad.

I love all of their scenes and their story but why on earth have them ice-skating? So obviously not them and their dialogue is done voice over. I know doubles were often used and voice overs were regularly done but this?

Of all the activities they could do, why not pick swimming, crazy golf, tennis? Anything, just something the actors could actually do on screen!
It's so bad, embarrassingly bad and really annoying. The only one scene of Sue Ellen I tend not to watch so I'm glad it's short.

Every scene between SE and Peter annoyed me. I didn't hate the storyline, I hated the casting. Peter looked like a child. I wish they had cast a young hunky actor in that role. It's impossible for me to believe SE could be sexually attracted to that little boy.

 

[DallasFanForever]

Every scene between SE and Peter annoyed me

I have to agree. I found their storyline very cringeworthy. The more I rewatch it the less I get it. I had no problem with Sue Ellen having an affair with a younger man to get back at J.R. but Peter was just too young. They had no chemistry that I could see.

 

[LMLDallas78]

Every scene between SE and Peter annoyed me. I didn't hate the storyline, I hated the casting. Peter looked like a child. I wish they had cast a young hunky actor in that role. It's impossible for me to believe SE could be sexually attracted to that little boy.

I've said before that we were promised all sorts with Chris Atkins and he could have fulfilled the hunky role but they had him act like a child.
The story was meant to be handled very differently but I'm sure things changed direction following audience outcry and Linda's disapproval of it.

Never quite sure why the audience disliked it so much, I know Chris wasn't popular in the role but I also believe that many couldn't accept Sue Ellen going for such a young man. Why? I could!

After the Mickey disaster Sue Ellen's life was in bits, she tried so hard to fight her feelings for Peter but also didn't want him to fail because of her. She couldn't fail another young life. No other man was paying her any attention at this time and at least she didn't stay on the bottle.

They had no chemistry that I could see.

It sure is lonely out here on the "I can see their chemistry" planet. I blame my Sue Ellen tinted glasses.

 

[CeeCee72]

Again, I don't think the audience disapproved of the relationship itself. But the part of Peter should have been cast better and handled differently.

It would have worked better for me if Peter had been a pool boy or a stable hand or a mechanic where SE got her car serviced. One of the cringiest parts for me is that Peter was John Ross's counselor. The kid had been traumatized so much by that point, I was angry at SE for "taking" his friend and damaging that relationship.

The other thing was Peter looked and acted like a child, not a man. I can't get last that.

 

[LMLDallas78]

Again, I don't think the audience disapproved of the relationship itself. But the part of Peter should have been cast better and handled differently.

It would have worked better for me if Peter had been a pool boy or a stable hand or a mechanic where SE got her car serviced. One of the cringiest parts for me is that Peter was John Ross's counselor. The kid had been traumatized so much by that point, I was angry at SE for "taking" his friend and damaging that relationship.

The other thing was Peter looked and acted like a child, not a man. I can't get last that.

But it has been said that audiences indeed did not like the relationship "It seems fans didn't approve of a young man carrying on with an older woman" was how it was reported during a short article with Chris Atkins and featuring Linda.
Attitudes were very different back then, at least this way around for the older woman.

I agree with Lucy who once questioned that Peter was John Ross's friend. Peter was a counsellor and John Ross was about 5 years old.

One of Christopher's worries was that he would look too young, about 17 when he was actually 22. His popularity in The Blue Lagoon obviously wasn't enough to make him a success on Dallas.

 

[Kaleid]

One scene that stands out for me is when Ray is selling off the land from his bad deal and finds out how much of a loss he will be taking. The facial expression he makes as he throws his little tantrum about wanting to get out - I think that is the exact moment I began disliking the character and never again found myself rooting for him.

Not one scene in particular, but with Christopher and John Ross, there was a vast amount of time that those kids spent in the care of their nanny / Theresa and not just during the day but overnights as well, when the entire family was at the hospital or otherwise engaged. It was especially noticeable in later seasons when Miss Ellie and Clayton were travelling, and Lucy was gone and Bobby and J.R. were away on business and conquests. Of all the issues those kids had, it certainly merited at least a mention of how much they resented that setup, or how much they had bonded to a caretaker over their parents.

 

[DallasFanForever]

It sure is lonely out here on the "I can see their chemistry" planet. I blame my Sue Ellen tinted glasses.

Who’s to say you’re not right and I’m wrong? It’s possible. I like that there are defenders of this storyline otherwise the discussion would be very boring.

I didn’t have a problem with Peter necessarily, nor with Chris Atkins. I guess it was more the storyline itself, although I did enjoy the payoff of how it all ended. J.R. manipulated that whole thing perfectly. It was so well done that I even suspected Peter might’ve been Bobby’s shooter for awhile.

 

[Billy Wall]

One scene that stands out for me is when Ray is selling off the land from his bad deal and finds out how much of a loss he will be taking. The facial expression he makes as he throws his little tantrum about wanting to get out - I think that is the exact moment I began disliking the character and never again found myself rooting for him.

I agree, and poor Donna was usually caught in the middle of his drastic mood swings. I never liked the "now that I'm a Ewing, I must prove myself" that Ray became. It was ridiculous for a grown man to succumb to that much peer pressure.

 

[Toni]

One scene that stands out for me is when Ray is selling off the land from his bad deal and finds out how much of a loss he will be taking. The facial expression he makes as he throws his little tantrum about wanting to get out - I think that is the exact moment I began disliking the character and never again found myself rooting for him.

Not one scene in particular, but with Christopher and John Ross, there was a vast amount of time that those kids spent in the care of their nanny / Theresa and not just during the day but overnights as well, when the entire family was at the hospital or otherwise engaged. It was especially noticeable in later seasons when Miss Ellie and Clayton were travelling, and Lucy was gone and Bobby and J.R. were away on business and conquests. Of all the issues those kids had, it certainly merited at least a mention of how much they resented that setup, or how much they had bonded to a caretaker over their parents.

John Ross and Christopher were very much damaged when the infamous "latter years" came: let´s be realistic, John Ross slept inside a racecar and had survived a big fire, and Chris had a skeleton hanging from his door...

 

[LMLDallas78]

I even suspected Peter might’ve been Bobby’s shooter for awhile.

You're not alone with that theory, I've got a newspaper cutting from a journalist who thought the same before we knew it was Katherine.

 

[DallasFanForever]

You're not alone with that theory, I've got a newspaper cutting from a journalist who thought the same before we knew it was Katherine.

If they had made it Peter instead, I wonder if more people would’ve enjoyed his storyline with Sue Ellen then.

J.R. would’ve blamed her for Bobby’s shooting and she would’ve felt guilty, although she could’ve just as easily blame J.R. for driving Peter to do it. Would’ve been a lot of drama.

Of course I’m not sure where that leaves Katherine though.

 

[CeeCee72]

Not one scene in particular, but with Christopher and John Ross, there was a vast amount of time that those kids spent in the care of their nanny / Theresa and not just during the day but overnights as well, when the entire family was at the hospital or otherwise engaged. It was especially noticeable in later seasons when Miss Ellie and Clayton were travelling, and Lucy was gone and Bobby and J.R. were away on business and conquests. Of all the issues those kids had, it certainly merited at least a mention of how much they resented that setup, or how much they had bonded to a caretaker over their parents.

One scene in particular sums all this up - when the boys get hold of a gun and Christopher shoots it. I mean, damn???? WTF are your parents and the other adults????

 

[CeeCee72]

I agree, and poor Donna was usually caught in the middle of his drastic mood swings. I never liked the "now that I'm a Ewing, I must prove myself" that Ray became. It was ridiculous for a grown man to succumb to that much peer pressure.

The way Ray treated Donna annoyed me greatly. He was always trying to make her feel guilty about her own success just because he felt like a failure.

Maybe that's why he settled on Jenna instead. Never had to worry about Jenna being smarter or richer or independent or successful.

 

[Laurie Marr]

Any Jenna scene from the dream season is well nigh unwatchable. Carter McKay was mostly a turn-off and he took up a lot of screen time (and space!) in the twilight years. Similarly, Post-Valentine I also found Sue Ellen’s grinning villain routines quite tiresome as she bested JR time and again. Then there’s the sleuthing plot for a criminally underutilised BBG before she was put out to pasture.

 

[DallasFanForever]

One scene in particular sums all this up - when the boys get hold of a gun and Christopher shoots it

And after that Bobby tells Pam that he grew up with guns in the house with an it’s really no big deal type of attitude. This coming right after what could’ve been a serious tragedy.

Maybe that's why he settled on Jenna instead. Never had to worry about Jenna being smarter or richer or independent or successful.

If The Boutique was a rousing success for Jenna, Ray would’ve found a way to be jealous of that too.

 

[LMLDallas78]

The way Ray treated Donna annoyed me greatly. He was always trying to make her feel guilty about her own success just because he felt like a failure.

Maybe that's why he settled on Jenna instead. Never had to worry about Jenna being smarter or richer or independent or successful.

However much I liked Ray and Donna, Ray became such a loser and so jealous of her. I wanted them to work together but Ray was far too resentful and only wanted his own success.

Their's was never an equal partnership, if it had been Ray and Donna would have provided such a refreshing spin on the usual Ewing marriage.