DallasFanForever
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You mean when Naldo first came to town? Yes, J.R. definitely should’ve done something then. He was someone the Ewings would’ve run out of town at one time with no problem.
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You mean when Naldo first came to town? Yes, J.R. definitely should’ve done something then. He was someone the Ewings would’ve run out of town at one time with no problem.
Jock-O-Lantern
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After Jenna threw both Bobby and Naldo out her house and she told Bobby that Naldo was the father, they briefly broke up. JR, worried that this could open the door for the return of Pam, went to see Jenna. She told him about Naldo. Right then and there, JR should have dealt with Naldo.
DallasFanForever
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It’s surprising he didn’t deal with him himself considering how much he didn’t want Pam back.
That was OK. I just wish he hadn't gotten together with Sue Ellen.
the-lost-son
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Miss Ellie got me mad when she came to Ewing Oil after the BD Calhoun fiasco telling JR&Bobby how Jock would have been disappointed and blabla...
No, he would have been mad, but he would have said "this business is a crap shoot" and "never let the bastards get you down".
Miss Ellie should have remembered - we may be right, we may be wrong. But we're Ewings and we stick together. That makes us unbeatable.
Additionally Ellie having close to a breakdown when one of her middle-aged sons wants to move out, but being keen to give Southfork away anytime she can (Garrison, Clayton...)
Or wanting to sell EwingOil, but first declaring Jock incompetent. It was reasonable for her wanting to end the fight, but why sell it? It was Jock's legacy to Bob&JR and wealth for the rest of them.
No, he would have been mad, but he would have said "this business is a crap shoot" and "never let the bastards get you down".
Miss Ellie should have remembered - we may be right, we may be wrong. But we're Ewings and we stick together. That makes us unbeatable.
Additionally Ellie having close to a breakdown when one of her middle-aged sons wants to move out, but being keen to give Southfork away anytime she can (Garrison, Clayton...)
Or wanting to sell EwingOil, but first declaring Jock incompetent. It was reasonable for her wanting to end the fight, but why sell it? It was Jock's legacy to Bob&JR and wealth for the rest of them.
DallasFanForever
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I actually liked this. I don’t know but there’s just something admirable about a woman trying to buy the baby from the woman who’s pregnant with her husband’s child. I gotta say I respected Pam for that, even if she was wrong. Then to refuse to apologize for it on top of it? Pam certainly had guts.
Rewatching the series, Lucy’s main plot was always about finding a husband. Then when she returned after she divorced Mitch, i thought, great she‘s grown up. Maybe she has her own identity. Still it was only about her chasing her next relationship
No, she had a very unhealthy view of children and an elevated sense of her own worth. Like I have money, and my money should be able to buy whatever it is I desire. Bobby had the same attitude .... he had purchased one baby, so I guess Pam looking to buy another wasn't a big deal to him. So glad Jenna told these two to pound sand.
DallasFanForever
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I wonder if, in retrospect, she regretted not offering to sell them Charlie instead.
Nope. The Ewings only like boy babies.
Jock Ewing Fan
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Almost everything Miss Ellie did after Jock passed
Lowlights.
Wanting to give SF to Garrison (who was away for decades), after Jock saved it, and made it profitable.
Wanting to sell Ewing Oil twice. Granted, there were extenuating circumstances, but JR had a point when
he said that half would go to Ray and Gary, who did nothing for the company.
Bobby did not disagree
Furthermore, she never seemed to respect Ewing Oil as Jock's legacy, except when hypocritically lecturing JR and Bobby.
Miss Ellie was clearly ignoring Jock's methods of running EO. JR told her as much in season 5.
Marrying Clayton, her son's adversary
Giving half of SF to Clayton. If she predeceased Clayton, the Ewings would have no claim to the title.
Her utter and complete lack of empathy for JR after Haleyville.
There is more, but I don't have enough time and space
Lowlights.
Wanting to give SF to Garrison (who was away for decades), after Jock saved it, and made it profitable.
Wanting to sell Ewing Oil twice. Granted, there were extenuating circumstances, but JR had a point when
he said that half would go to Ray and Gary, who did nothing for the company.
Bobby did not disagree
Furthermore, she never seemed to respect Ewing Oil as Jock's legacy, except when hypocritically lecturing JR and Bobby.
Miss Ellie was clearly ignoring Jock's methods of running EO. JR told her as much in season 5.
Marrying Clayton, her son's adversary
Giving half of SF to Clayton. If she predeceased Clayton, the Ewings would have no claim to the title.
Her utter and complete lack of empathy for JR after Haleyville.
There is more, but I don't have enough time and space
DallasFanForever
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I can understand her outlook on this one though. By that time Ewing Oil was causing just as much grief as it was profit so I do get her reasoning. Jock was gone and she was left to try and reel everyone in and that was proving much easier said than done. She was fed up with how the business was destroying her family, as much as it was providing for it. Miss Ellie just wanted to be happy and she was sick of all the fighting and tragedy.
HelloHappy
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I think it is this scene
Re-watching the series makes me realize how JR's vile behavior was sometimes enabled by the comparatively decent members of the family like Bobby and Miss Ellie. I love that Lucy reminded Bobby how the family loyalty he demanded for JR was never extended to Gary by JR.
HelloHappy
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I had a lot of issues with Miss Ellie's selective morality and strange decision-making throughout the series. The one thing I can understand is her being okay with Ray and Gary profiting off any sale of Ewing Oil since Gary was her son and Ray was still a Ewing despite neither of them helping the business.
Jock Ewing Fan
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I respect your opinion, and it makes good sense.
I think where I disagree is that losing Ewing Oil wouldn't change JR or Bobby's behaviour.
There just would have been other dramas
The Eyes of Laurie Marr
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By this point in the series Bobby was already trying to assume the mantle of family patriarch and protector. Lucy’s retort is bang on the money and it’s always nice to see someone puncture Bob’s pomposity.