Snarky Oracle!
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Sounds like he was railroaded.
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Russell Brand convicted of 7000 rapes (approximately)
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Snarky Oracle!
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Lazy. That's not the story.
Crimson
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Your endless misogamy and conspiracies are tiresome.
Willie Oleson
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What a coincidence that all the rapers are celebrities.
Snarky Oracle!
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It's interesting when intelligent people don't realize that using the term "conspiracy theorist" as a slur has become a bit outdated (to the point of being tone deaf-ish) and marks them as selectively anti-intellectual when they apply it to topics they know little about (or, sometimes by their own admission, care little about) and then try to pose as the adult-in-the-room for doing so.
It's almost like they need to be told to stop sending you emails.
Brand was targeted for his political speech. And his outrageous personal promiscuity was used against him, like all those collegiate "gang rape" cases which turn out to be something else. Except these European courts seem to be getting even worse than ours.
And some of these women have changed their stories over the years.
Like with Kavanaugh on the American Supreme Court a few years ago: I did not want him on the court -- he was far too conservative for my tastes. And when the preposterous rape allegations against him fell apart, still other women lined up to add more rape accusation to supplement the ones that had fizzled... It was obviously a scam to anybody paying attention, and some of those Janie-Come-Lately accusers quietly went down for perjury later.
It's organized today, and used as a political hatchet with increasing frequency.
But I guess that's 'misogyny' when it all seems too complicated to maintain one's interest.
It's almost like they need to be told to stop sending you emails.
Brand was targeted for his political speech. And his outrageous personal promiscuity was used against him, like all those collegiate "gang rape" cases which turn out to be something else. Except these European courts seem to be getting even worse than ours.
And some of these women have changed their stories over the years.
Like with Kavanaugh on the American Supreme Court a few years ago: I did not want him on the court -- he was far too conservative for my tastes. And when the preposterous rape allegations against him fell apart, still other women lined up to add more rape accusation to supplement the ones that had fizzled... It was obviously a scam to anybody paying attention, and some of those Janie-Come-Lately accusers quietly went down for perjury later.
It's organized today, and used as a political hatchet with increasing frequency.
But I guess that's 'misogyny' when it all seems too complicated to maintain one's interest.
Snarky Oracle!
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Oddly enough, he does indeed walk and quack very much like a duck.
Angela Channing
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Russel Brand is a rapist and sex abuser. I'm thinking about his victims and the bravery of the women who told their story so this vile man could be put behind bars. He wasn't targeted for his political speech, he was targeting women to abuse them. He wasn't railroaded, he was exposed as a predator. Some of the testimony that was presented by the prosecution was truly horrific. Now he is in prison, maybe he will learn what consent actually means.
Snarky Oracle!
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Thanks for clarifying. Now we know the truth.
Willie Oleson
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Well.....yes...and no.
There's currently a lot of gloating going on and I get the impression that it's masquerading as "feeling for the victims" and "it's about time this monster gets what he deserves".
It's in the additional comments "he's always been a creep or a weirdo (or whatever)" that tells me they're judging him for being exactly that, and the rape allegations/convictions are merely covenient tools to punish this "outrageous person".
I'm not defending Russell Brand I'm just saying that there's a strong undercurrent of hands-wringing and pearls-clutching hypocrisy in these comments, a sense of satisfaction in the "I told you so!" regardless of how informed they actually are.
I mean, for exactly the same reasons people are inclined to support the accused criminal who has a pleasant and level-headed profile.
"Burn the witch!" was never about eliminating danger & disaster, it was about that bitch they hated.
Snarky Oracle!
Telly Talk Supreme
Yes.
Angela Channing
Telly Talk Veteran
I really have not detected any gloating over Russell Brand's conviction, I think the reaction is more one of shame and embarrassment of previously finding this guy entertaining, even though he used to boast about past lewd behaviour.
I also detect there is a significant section of people, almost exclusively men, who are choosing to defend or mitigate his actions and to question the credibility of the women he abused. Even saying people are judging him for being a weirdo is doing that, when people are actually judging him for being a rapist and sex abuser who just happens to be weird. Similarly, people saying they wanted to get him for rape to punish him for his political commentary when nobody takes his political views seriously as they are are a bigger joke than his old stand up routines.
Sometimes the evidence is straightforward and overwhelming: Russell Grant is an odious rapist who has been found out. There is nomitigation, there are no excuses and he deserves to be in prision.
Snarky Oracle!
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Even some observers who don't like Brand, and dismiss his explanations of being targeted for his political commentary, have observed that the case was "he-said/she-said" and that the judge seemed biased throughout the entire trial. And that he was over-sentenced.
And some of the women have changed their stories over time on demand.
This is what a public hit job looks like. But it's far too easy to get indignant, ignorant fools (who think they're not) to chase Frankenstein's monster up the hill with a bunch of torches. Especially after he pulls a young girl out of a lake -- which, admittedly, looks kind of bad.
CeeCee72
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The majority of rape cases come down to he said/she said testimony. Life isn't and episode of Law & Order SVU. There's typically not DNA sprayed everywhere and in cases where the parties are known to one another, there's always a defense that the act was consensual. Rape cases are often decided by whether or not the jury finds the accuser or the accused to be more credible.
For me, a lot of the talk or Brand being railroaded is just as conspiratorial as the talk that it was some sort of coordinated hit job. People are twisting themselves in knots to claim he was targeted because he is a conservative or because he is weird. Maybe, just maybe, he was targeted because he's a predator.
This isn't the first time a celebrity was convicted based mostly on the testimony of women who came forward years after the assault. Is R Kelly innocent? Diddy? Weinstein? Cosby (and yes, I know his conviction was overturned)? Like with Brand, the official allegations and investigations came years after the fact - but there were always rumors and it was like an open secret. Brand has been called a predator as far back as the early 2000s when he was working for MTV.
Like I said, in this case, it's just a duck - yes a weird duck, a conservative duck, but still a duck.
For me, a lot of the talk or Brand being railroaded is just as conspiratorial as the talk that it was some sort of coordinated hit job. People are twisting themselves in knots to claim he was targeted because he is a conservative or because he is weird. Maybe, just maybe, he was targeted because he's a predator.
This isn't the first time a celebrity was convicted based mostly on the testimony of women who came forward years after the assault. Is R Kelly innocent? Diddy? Weinstein? Cosby (and yes, I know his conviction was overturned)? Like with Brand, the official allegations and investigations came years after the fact - but there were always rumors and it was like an open secret. Brand has been called a predator as far back as the early 2000s when he was working for MTV.
Like I said, in this case, it's just a duck - yes a weird duck, a conservative duck, but still a duck.
Angela Channing
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That simply is not true. The strength of the case against Brand is that one of the victims told her father and friends of what happened at the time which provided contemporary corroboration of her recollections. His victims independently describes a similar pattern of behaviour. The testimony of many of the women was very consistent over the course of the investigation and trial, they did not change their stories "on demand". So it was much more than a case of "he said, she said."
Rape and sexual abuse cases are notoriously difficult for the Crown Prosecution Service to secure a guilty court verdict (I think it's only about 4%) and the fact that was was the outcome in this case shows the strength of the evidence presented against Brand.
Snarky Oracle!
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Tell us more...!
CeeCee72
Telly Talk Star
How about YOU tell us more?
Which victims changed their stories "on demand?" Do you have any specific examples of falsehoods told by witnesses who gave corroborating testimony to the accusers' accounts? Do you have any information as the inconsistent statements Brand himself has made in the case - specifically, his contradictory statements about knowing the victims to police and on the witness stand? The man asked the court's forgiveness for his "changing recollections."
Brand was found not guilty on several charges. The jury indicated that the prosecutor didn't prove those allegations beyond a reasonable doubt. Obviously, they believed the opposite was true for the counts they convicted on.
Snarky Oracle!
Telly Talk Supreme
The main "victim" indeed changed her story over time, from a sleazy threesome in which she was fully complicit and later admitted she "was young and stupid" and that the incident was as much her fault as anybody else's, to a different memory where she was abused against her will.