Christina Pike survives execution attempt

[Frankenstein Underworld]

The government rarely represents the will of the people. If it did, there wouldn't be this constant power shift between Democrats and Republicans.

Televising an execution is barbaric, but if we're going to demean people for voting for Trump, then we might as well demean them for voting for any mainstream candidate. After all, both the Dems and Republicans are complicit in war and murder just like the Trump Administration. It's not like that was any less abhorrent just because it wasn't televised. The Obama Administration even had a kill list and targeted American citizens abroad. Was that the will of the people who voted for him, or were they duped into believing that they'd get a higher standard of living and diplomacy? The latter is certainly why I voted for him. Trump also vowed to end foreign wars and invest in American jobs, but like most politicians, he screwed over his supporters too. I believe most Americans do direct their ire at the people in charge, but it's counter-productive to direct it at the voters. That's because war, murder, and economic suffering are the modus operandi of the US government (among others.) That's why voting is futile. We just swap one blood thirsty ghoul for another.

 

[Spooky Owl!]

The government rarely represents the will of the people.

Somehow, this seems to apply:

 

[Sea - Boo! - Er]

men are not being paid more per hour for the same job at the same number of hours.

Yes, I agree that "equal pay for equal work" is a battle that has largely been won. The problem remaining is that female-majority industries are valued lower that male-majority ones - a far more difficult issue to navigate.

The fact that it largely goes unnoticed probably reinforces why it's needed.

I'd argue the reverse.

 

[Frankenstein Underworld]

I'd argue the reverse.

I'd agree if it were just a superficial celebration of men. However, I think anything that brings awareness to men's issues has value. Women's issues may not have all been solved, but at least they get attention. In contrast, men's issues are largely mocked or dismissed entirely.

Not every man is a power mad tyrant without a care in the world, but they're often treated like they are.

 

[Spooky Owl!]

Yes, I agree that "equal pay for equal work" is a battle that has largely been won. The problem remaining is that female-majority industries are valued lower that male-majority ones - a far more difficult issue to navigate.

And just what are those industries? The human resources industrial complex?

 

[Sea - Boo! - Er]

And just what are those industries? The human resources industrial complex?

Your response illustrates the difficulty.

 

[Spooky Owl!]

Your response illustrates the difficulty.

Such that it can't be tabulated?

Just what are the undervalued female industries. And how do we increase respect for those industries?

 

[CryptCreeper72]

Trump called off the live streaming of the firing squad execution. Someone finally came to their senses I guess.

 

[Sea - Boo! - Er]

how do we increase respect for those industries?

You keep making my point for me.

 

[Spooky Owl!]

You keep making my point for me.

And you keep saying that without backing up yours. Presumably, because you don't really have one.

 

[Angela Chilling]

Clearly, @Sea - Boo! - Er does have a point because how else would you explain the fact that women in full-time employment are paid 7% less than men?

 

[Spooky Owl!]

Clearly, @Sea - Boo! - Er does have a point because how else would you explain the fact that women in full-time employment are paid 7% less than men?

They're not. Not for the same job and the same hours -- which is the only ratio that counts.

 

[Angela Chilling]

They're not. Not for the same job and the same hours -- which is the only ratio that counts.

What you are implying is the point that @Sea - Boo! - Er is making, i.e. women are overrepresented in lower-paying employment sectors such as healthcare, education, administration and social work while men are overrepresented in higher paid corporate, technical and executive roles. It's not just about being paid the same amount for the same job but also about giving women equal access to the higher paid jobs. How else would you explain why, on average, women still earn less than men?

 

[Spooky Owl!]

What you are implying is the point that @Sea - Boo! - Er is making, i.e. women are overrepresented in lower-paying employment sectors such as healthcare, education, administration and social work while men are overrepresented in higher paid corporate, technical and executive roles. It's not just about being paid the same amount for the same job but also about giving women equal access to the higher paid jobs.

Women are now in tons of corporate and executive roles. They avoid technical jobs because they don't want jobs that are dirty nor dangerous -- they just don't. So it has to do with her choices, not careers she's kept out of nor for which she's underpaid.

 

[Angela Chilling]

Women are now in tons of corporate and executive roles. They avoid technical jobs because they don't want jobs that are dirty nor dangerous -- they just don't. So it has to do with her choices, not careers she's kept out of nor for which she's underpaid.

Well that's just nonsense. Where's your evidence for such a sexist and ludicrous suggestion?

 

[Spooky Owl!]

Well that's just nonsense. Where's your evidence for such a sexist and ludicrous suggestion?

What was nonsense and ludicrous?

 

[Frankenstein Underworld]

Women are now in tons of corporate and executive roles. They avoid technical jobs because they don't want jobs that are dirty nor dangerous -- they just don't. So it has to do with her choices, not careers she's kept out of nor for which she's underpaid.

Yes. Unfortunately, some people mistake equal worth as humans with being equal in terms of strengths and aspirations. There are exceptions to the rule when it comes to career choices, of course, but in many ways, men and women are not the same. Some people bristle at that notion and call it "sexist" because they believe that discrimination is the only reason more women aren't in male-dominated fields. I'm sure discrimination still exists to some degree, but it doesn't appear to be the driving force. If anything, both gender discrimination and the so-called "wage gap" have lessened considerably.

I even posted an article on the previous page that supports this claim, but I'm used to the knee-jerk "you made that up!" type of response. Some people have built a bubble around themselves so strong that absolutely nothing can penetrate it. That said, here are the relevant excerpts yet again:

Women and men also make different choices in terms of occupations and education. Men tend to choose higher-paying college majors and occupations. Only one of the 10 highest-earning college majors graduates more women than men, while nine of the 10 lowest-earning majors graduate more women than men. Physicians are the highest-paid occupation. In 1967, women earned only 8% of medical degrees. Today more than half of students enrolled in medical school are women. More than three-fourths of doctorates in health and medical sciences are earned by women, as are more than half of the doctorate degrees in biological and life sciences. While women earn only about a quarter of engineering doctorates, that share is up dramatically from less than 0.5% in 1967.

Men are more likely to select occupations with greater financial risk, such as jobs that pay commissions on sales. They are also more likely than women to take jobs with physical risk, such as construction, whose pay is higher owing to the risk premium. Men die on the job at 12 times the rate of women and suffer 50% more injuries at work than women do. But even in the skilled trades, the proportion of female carpenters has more than tripled and the proportion of female plumbers and electricians has risen by 50% in the past 25 years.

The increase in the number of women choosing to enter highly paid occupations has been complemented by a shift in the relative roles of men and women in the home. The American Time Use Survey, conducted by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, shows that the difference between women and men in time spent on household activities and care of dependents has declined by 21% since the survey began in 2003. The choices men and women make about how many hours to work, whether and how to share parental and household duties, which occupations to enter, and what type of education to pursue have changed over the past 50 years. As a result, the so-called gender pay gap has narrowed by 45%.

Source: https://www.cato.org/commentary/gender-pay-gap-myth-wont-go-away

 

[Werewillie Oleson]

I had to laugh when I heard it. All the controversy and it turns out like this. It's funny in a bad horror movie kind of way.

Yes, my first reaction was: Michael Myers CAN'T die.