Could Pam really have been Digger's daughter after all?

Mustard

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Of course, Valene was 15 when she first married Gary in the early 1960s, so there were ways around it even in Texas. I'm not 100% sure what Texas law was for marriageable age in 1961 or thereabouts.

Then there's the "1930" issue addressed in the miniseries (I haven't seen THE EARLY YEARS in ages -- what do they say about 1930??) and then there's the 1938 marriage date and the 1936 marriage date.

Jock said that Ellie and Digger were "15 --- 16, tops!" Was that in 1930? Was Ellie born in 1915 as some tombstones in the show say? Or was she 16 when she married Jock in 1936 or 1938, allowing JR to be born in 1937 or 1939?
There's no way that Digger and Ellie were that young at the end of their relationship. They were both in their 20s by then.

They had JR and Sue Ellen, consistently for several years, married in 1971, but it was rolled back to "1970" by the time they re-married (shame on you, Paulsen!!)
LOL.

It's all so confusing. Because no one behind the camera can keep it consstent. So we wind up fanwank-correcting it to our preferences.

But when the 17 guestrooms in Southfork have windows on each of its four walls, the possibilities are endless.
Southfork is a TARDIS? That is, bigger on the inside than on the outside.
 
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Snowcat

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oldDALLAS established in 1980 that Pam was born sometimes after Christmas 1952, perhaps January 1953. And Bobby was born a couple of months earlier around the time Eisenhower's election in November 1952.

During the dream season, Bobby's headstone as dreamed by Pam gave Patrick's actual DOB of 17 March 1949.

These things fluctuate, don't they...
In the Paris episodes, Bobby’s passport had 1950 as his birthday
 

Snowcat

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Wasn't J.R.'s birth around 1936 in the Early Years? It makes sense that J.R. would get attached to Jock emotionally before Jock leaves to fight in WW2, while Gary's very early years saw very little of Jock. That way, J.R. is emotionally strong with Jock about things, while Gary resents Jock's harshness and demands.
Gary wasn’t born when Jock went to war. Miss Ellie gave JR a letter Jock had written to him during this time period. Jock thought he was going to die. JR was an only child at this time
 

Snowcat

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Digger was saying what he believed to be true. We don’t know if Rebecca was telling the truth. It could also be Rebecca thought Hutch was the father but There was a slight chance Digger was the father. Wasn’t it Finding out Digger wasn’t her father part of what prompted Pam to look for her mother.
 

Mustard

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Gary wasn’t born when Jock went to war. Miss Ellie gave JR a letter Jock had written to him during this time period. Jock thought he was going to die. JR was an only child at this time
Gary was born either late 1943 or early 1944. He was 17 when he and Valene got married in 1961, which was also the year when Lucy was born. Gary was conceived before Jock left the US for Britain during WW2. Jock was already in Britain when Gary was born. We know that Ray was born in October 1945, conceived in Europe when Jock was having his affair with Margaret Hunter, a US Army nurse. Margaret went home to Emporia, Kansas and married Amos Krebbs.

So for J.R., he got to know his daddy well as a small child when he was taken out to the oil fields up to 1941 or 1942, bonded with him etc., got the letter you mention from Jock. Miss Ellie lamented not holding on to J.R. a bit longer. J.R. wants his daddy home, and has that strong emotional attachment already. For Gary, his earliest years saw him around with his mother a lot and he saw a lot less of his daddy. so his daddy comes across as harsh and brutal at times. For Ray, he arrives at Southfork at age 15 and Jock takes him in, so Ray is extremely grateful and looks up to Jock as a role model. For Bobby, Miss Ellie and Jock both spoil him, and Bobby embraces the good life and the challenges of life, so Bobby has far less baggage than his siblings.
 
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