Dallas in the 90's

[Ms Southworth]

Is it really worth the risk of getting caught by the police for Katherine to go to Dallas? I don't understand her reasons at this point in time!

I mean, does $$$ mean that much to her? Why is getting even with JR and/or Pam and Cliff still important for her?

If Katherine really loves Wendy (her daughter, I presume), why bother taking chances with quite bad odds? Katherine risks ending up in jail for a long time (elevator stuff and attempted murder) - and then she'll be without her daughter all together!

In regards to your message, @Presea:
Even though I agree that blackmailing is wrong, Katherine made her own bed when it came to sleeping with JR! She got caught in her own web, so to speak! Thus, I don't feel sorry for her regarding this issue! How could she possibly think that she would stand a chance with one brother after sleeping with the other? Also, the truth would have come out eventually! Trust me ... it always does!

If JR really turns out to be the father of Wendy (Katherine's daughter, I presume), then, of course, he should pay child support, etc. and take responsibility for his child! Let there be no doubt about that!

 

[Presea]

Is it really worth the risk of getting caught by the police for Katherine to go to Dallas? I don't understand her reasons at this point in time!

I mean, does $$$ mean that much to her? Why is getting even with JR and/or Pam and Cliff still important for her?

If Katherine really loves Wendy (her daughter, I presume), why bother taking chances with quite bad odds? Katherine risks ending up in jail for a long time (elevator stuff and attempted murder) - and then she'll be without her daughter all together!

In regards to your message, @Presea:
Even though I agree that blackmailing is wrong, Katherine made her own bed when it came to sleeping with JR! She got caught in her own web, so to speak! Thus, I don't feel sorry for her regarding this issue! How could she possibly think that she would stand a chance with one brother after sleeping with the other? Also, the truth would have come out eventually! Trust me ... it always does!

If JR really turns out to be the father of Wendy (Katherine's daughter, I presume), then, of course, he should pay child support, etc. and take responsibility for his child! Let there be no doubt about that!

Money is very important when you are trying to raise a child. And Katherine and Tom are wanted criminals, so that makes it pretty hard for them to find regular employment. And even if they did, there is the risk that someone could recognize them and turn them in. I imagine that they have been living off of what was left of Katherine's inheritance and Wentworth assets that she sold, although I am kind of surprised that they have run out of that kind of money at all, because I imagine that that stuff could have you set for life. But then again, Katherine has never exactly been known to be thrifty, has she? Ultimately and sadly, the right thing for Katherine to do for Wendy would be to turn herself in. But of course that would be hard for Katherine because it would mean that she would not see Wendy again, and that Wendy would most likely become a ward of the state. So I can understand Katherine's dilemma here. But unfortunately, she is dealing with the consequences of her actions now.

As for the rest of your post: I hate to say it, but you sound pretty much just like someone who blames a rape victim (and this is a similar situation) simply for "letting it happen". Katherine was obviously not sane, so of course she was devastated just from the very idea of the object of her obsession (Bobby) shutting her out of his life completely. (And Bobby did do this when he found out about it, even before he knew about the letter). Using someone's emotions (especially a person who is disturbed) against them in order to insure that they perform sexual favors for them is a monstrous thing to do, regardless of whether there is a choice or not. And I don't know where you have gotten the idea that Katherine was doing it because she wanted a chance with JR. Katherine slept with JR in the first place because he had told her that he would he would help her get Bobby. And then only did it because she was trying to prevent him from telling Bobby about the sex. She obviously did not love or want to be with JR at all. And why do I get the feeling that you would actually feel sorry for anyone else that JR did this to? Particularly, someone who did not mess with Bobby and Pam's marriage? For example, did Sue Ellen deserve what she got when JR blackmailed her for sex in return for not putting Peter Richards in jail? Sexual coercion is always wrong, no matter how "deserving" someone believes the victim to be. And I wouldn't be surprised if this type of situation would actually be considered as rape in courts in the US nowadays. I'm sorry, but you just sound like you are biased against Katherine with these posts.

 

[Presea]

Is it really worth the risk of getting caught by the police for Katherine to go to Dallas? I don't understand her reasons at this point in time!

I mean, does $$$ mean that much to her? Why is getting even with JR and/or Pam and Cliff still important for her?

If Katherine really loves Wendy (her daughter, I presume), why bother taking chances with quite bad odds? Katherine risks ending up in jail for a long time (elevator stuff and attempted murder) - and then she'll be without her daughter all together!

In regards to your message, @Presea:
Even though I agree that blackmailing is wrong, Katherine made her own bed when it came to sleeping with JR! She got caught in her own web, so to speak! Thus, I don't feel sorry for her regarding this issue! How could she possibly think that she would stand a chance with one brother after sleeping with the other? Also, the truth would have come out eventually! Trust me ... it always does!

If JR really turns out to be the father of Wendy (Katherine's daughter, I presume), then, of course, he should pay child support, etc. and take responsibility for his child! Let there be no doubt about that!

Edit to my last post: I read a part you wrote about JR wrong. You didn't say that Katherine thought she had a chance with him. Lmao

 

[Ms Southworth]

Money is very important when you are trying to raise a child. And Katherine and Tom are wanted criminals, so that makes it pretty hard for them to find regular employment. And even if they did, there is the risk that someone could recognize them and turn them in. I imagine that they have been living off of what was left of Katherine's inheritance and Wentworth assets that she sold, although I am kind of surprised that they have run out of that kind of money at all, because I imagine that that stuff could have you set for life. But then again, Katherine has never exactly been known to be thrifty, has she? Ultimately and sadly, the right thing for Katherine to do for Wendy would be to turn herself in. But of course that would be hard for Katherine because it would mean that she would not see Wendy again, and that Wendy would most likely become a ward of the state. So I can understand Katherine's dilemma here. But unfortunately, she is dealing with the consequences of her actions now.

Finances are definitely important when you're raising a child! I have two children of my own, so I have first-hand experience. If Tom and Katherine both are wanted by the police, it can be difficult to find employment, but it's certainly not impossible, IMO. Just look at the thousands (if not millions) of illegal immigrants, who somehow find a way to make a living even though they're wanted by the authorities! Suck it up and do what needs to be done! Personally, I try to live my life by remembering this phrase: "Everything is possible if only you've got what it takes!" (i.e. You can reach your goals, if you're willing to work hard enough!). :wink@

I imagine that it would have been difficult for Katherine to live off her inheritance or other personal assets, since she has been wanted by the police for a long time. (financial transactions of all kinds usually leave trails for others to pick up on ... ... )

If JR does turn out to be the father of Wendy, then the girl would most likely be a teenager now, right??? (since this fanfic is set in 90's). The right thing for Katherine to do would, of course, be for her to turn herself in. If not for anything to just wipe the slate clean, so that she at some point would be able to live a "normal" life. But if Wendy doesn't know anything about her mom's past and the fact that she (Katherine) is wanted by the authorities, then Katherine would definitely be in a serious dilemma! Does she choose jail or her daughter?
Sorry, @Presea, but I had to laugh a bit, when you wrote that I sound biased towards Katherine! I guess that I could say ... "ditto" (since you often seem to defend her)! Morgan Brittany's character was definitely interesting, because Katherine was so unpredictable ... ... a bit like a female version of JR. Katherine must have known from the beginning that JR couldn't be trusted! If she really wanted Bobby, how could sleeping with his brother better her chances? I want to feel sorry for Katherine because of her strange behavior, but honestly, I think that all her actions were calculated and deliberate! She just hadn't foreseen that it would be JR who ended up beating her at her own game! If JR did get her pregnant, then maybe Katherine will be the one who gets the last laugh? :lolo:

@Presea, wouldn't it be funny, if Wendy isn't who we think? Still, it's definitely been fun debating the topic!

 

[Presea]

Finances are definitely important when you're raising a child! I have two children of my own, so I have first-hand experience. If Tom and Katherine both are wanted by the police, it can be difficult to find employment, but it's certainly not impossible, IMO. Just look at the thousands (if not millions) of illegal immigrants, who somehow find a way to make a living even though they're wanted by the authorities! Suck it up and do what needs to be done! Personally, I try to live my life by remembering this phrase: "Everything is possible if only you've got what it takes!" (i.e. You can reach your goals, if you're willing to work hard enough!). :wink@

I imagine that it would have been difficult for Katherine to live off her inheritance or other personal assets, since she has been wanted by the police for a long time. (financial transactions of all kinds usually leave trails for others to pick up on ... ... )

If JR does turn out to be the father of Wendy, then the girl would most likely be a teenager now, right??? (since this fanfic is set in 90's). The right thing for Katherine to do would, of course, be for her to turn herself in. If not for anything to just wipe the slate clean, so that she at some point would be able to live a "normal" life. But if Wendy doesn't know anything about her mom's past and the fact that she (Katherine) is wanted by the authorities, then Katherine would definitely be in a serious dilemma! Does she choose jail or her daughter?
Sorry, @Presea, but I had to laugh a bit, when you wrote that I sound biased towards Katherine! I guess that I could say ... "ditto" (since you often seem to defend her)! Morgan Brittany's character was definitely interesting, because Katherine was so unpredictable ... ... a bit like a female version of JR. Katherine must have known from the beginning that JR couldn't be trusted! If she really wanted Bobby, how could sleeping with his brother better her chances? I want to feel sorry for Katherine because of her strange behavior, but honestly, I think that all her actions were calculated and deliberate! She just hadn't foreseen that it would be JR who ended up beating her at her own game! If JR did get her pregnant, then maybe Katherine will be the one who gets the last laugh? :lolo:

@Presea, wouldn't it be funny, if Wendy isn't who we think? Still, it's definitely been fun debating the topic!

It is kind of fun to debate, and lots of people would probably agree with you about Katherine. But here is one thing I think you will agree with me on: I wish that Katherine wouldn't be so judgmental about Pam. She just seems to assume that Pam was unappreciative and "weak" when it came to Bobby because she had a breakdown, "doesn't love Rebecca", etc. But I have never even seen Katherine ATTEMPT to talk to Pam about these things and hear her side of the story. She is making judgments about a sister that she has never even bothered to get to know as a person, in my opinion. Yeah, I want the characters to understand Katherine's side, too. (And it looks like Pam is the only one who really tried to.) But it should go both ways.

 

[Karin]

Thank you everyone for the feedback.
I'm glad to see that the last update has generated so much discussion and it's been truly interesting to read your different POV's and opinions regarding the characters and what you think will happen or would like to see happen.

wouldn't it be funny, if Wendy isn't who we think?

For some reason this remarks makes me think that "What if Wendy had been a dog?"
She's not by the way. She is as you all correctly have guessed Katherine's daughter!
I'm not gonna say at this point who the father is as it's fun to keep you guessing. I will say this however JR and Katherine was involved in season 7 (DVD) which was also the last season that Cliff & Afton were together so for the child to possibily be JR's she would have to be about 10 or 11 years old. So no not a teenager.

Sanda, I'm glad you enjoyed the updates and as for Pam's shopping you are right, she should have bought an extra suitcase as well!

Ms Southworth, you will understand how Pam and Cliff will tie into it later this episode.
I agree with you that Katherine should never have thought she had a chance with Bobby after sleeping with JR. Then to answer your question about the financial situation. You are right when you assume that Katherine has problems living off her inheritance since she can't withdraw checks easily without leaving a trace. So if she were to use that money she would most likely get caught. So well the situation is this Katherine and Tom used whatever money Katherine had access to when they started up their company. However the company is not doing too well and the money is running out so they need to come up with new ways to fiance their lifestyle...
So Katherine is still a wealthy woman and still has her Wentworth stock, but she can't be associated with the company and hence don't have access to her money. So I hope this clears things up.

Presea, you are right it's funny how Pam wastes her time on shopping when she could be to so much more use helping Bobby with his meetings!
I'm glad that you like that Katherine has a daughter and I will say this, she is not a bad mother in this story. She loves Wendy and wants what is best for her.

Then as for the plots on the original show with the sexual blackmailing that you were referring to. OMG! I never interpreted it that way when I watched the show. I thought they were just having an affair and that she was as into it as he was. But then again it's been years since I watched the show all the way through in order and I did think Sue Ellen slept with Peter like once too, and then I rewatched a random episode and found her fooling around with him in the stables at the BBQ!
So maybe I only saw what I wanted to see the last time I watched the show and didn't quite get certain things. :lolo:I guess this just means that I need to rewatch the whole show some time soon! :tv:

You do have a point about Pam and Katherine. Pam tried very hard to be a good sister to Katherine and include her but Katherine was scheming behind her back and didn't seem to have much sympathy for Pam's situation. So you are right for them to have any sort of sibling relationship they would both need to try harder.

You are also right that Katherine is dealing with the consequences of her actions now. If she had turned herself in right after trying to kill Bobby she would probably have been released already, as I doubt attempted murder would have gotten her locked up very long. She probably could have gotten away with claiming temporary insanity and gotten psychiatrical treatment and would have been out by now. But she chose to run instead and become a fugitive. So she has made her situation a lot worse and of course now she doesn't want to turn herself in as she doesn't want to risk losing her daughter.

Okay an update will follow in the next post.

 

[Karin]

At Southfork, John Ross and Christopher entered the patio where Sue Ellen, Donna, Ray, Clayton, Miss Ellie and Lucy were seated. John Ross looked at his oldest cousin and asked, “Lucy can you drive us into town?”

“Not so fast John Ross, you’re grounded,” Sue Ellen reminded her son.

“But please Aunt Sue Ellen give us a break,” Christopher pleaded.

“Yeah come on mom we’ve promised Rebecca and Margaret that we’d take them roller skating and they will be really disappointed if we can’t go,” John Ross lied and Chris gave him a weird look.

“So let me get this straight, you and Christopher are going roller skating with Margaret and Rebecca?” Sue Ellen asked, her tone clearly indicating that she didn’t believe them.

Her expression got even more skeptic when Rebecca came out from the house asking, “Can someone teach me how to swim?”

“Aren’t you going roller skating with John Ross and Christopher dear?” Miss Ellie asked.

“I am?!” Rebecca asked, looking surprised and happy.

“Rebecca sister dear, have you forgotten the conversation we had yesterday about spending some more time together as brother and sister?” Christopher put his arm around Rebecca’s shoulder. “You know as the nice big brother I am we were going to spend the day together today.”

“We are?” Rebecca’s facial expression brightened.

“Yes,” Christopher confirmed.

“Great, so can you teach me how to swim?!” Rebecca asked excitedly.

“No!” Christopher shook his head. “We’re going roller skating, remember?” Christopher blinked at Rebecca.

She finally got it and said, “Yes of course. Who’s driving us to town?”

“I am,” Lucy said and got up from the table. “And you know what? I think I’ll join you kids. I haven’t gone roller skating in years so it’ll be fun.”

John Ross and Chris smiled thinking that it had gone easy, until Margaret entered the patio saying, “Mommy can you go riding with me today?”

“But Margaret honey,” Donna said. “Aren’t you going roller skating with your cousins?”

Margaret looked questioning, “Roller skating?”

“Yes you, me, Lucy, John Ross and Christopher are going,” Rebecca said excitedly.

“Well…if you say so,” Margaret shrugged her shoulders.

“Come on then kids let’s go!” Lucy smiled.

“Margaret don’t forget to be careful and wear a helmet!” Ray called out after them.

Margaret stopped and rolled her eyes, “A helmet?” Margaret sighed. “Dad no-one wears a helmet roller skating!”

“Hurry up will you,” Lucy said and jokingly ticked Margaret. “Hey tell Mitch where I am will you guys?”

“Sure. Where is he?” Clayton asked.

“Upstairs. He’s grumpy about his broken arm. Then I guess I didn’t help last night falling asleep when he’d thought we’d have sex!”

“Lucy!” Miss Ellie said. “Mind your mouth there’s kids around.”

Rebecca stopped and turned around, “Cousin Lucy are you also good at sex?” Rebecca asked innocently. “I thought it was only Aunt Sue Ellen who was!” The others stare at Sue Ellen who blushed as Rebecca went on, “Or wasn’t that what uncle JR said?”

The adults laughed uncomfortably as that was more information than they wanted to know and Lucy said, “Um… we have to go. Don’t forget to tell Mitch where I am!”

They left and the last thing the others could hear was Rebecca who asked, “So cousin Lucy maybe you can tell me more about what sex is?” Rebecca asked. “You’ll see the only thing I know so far is that sex has to do with babies and happens when two grownups are alone together and that Aunt Sue Ellen was very good at that at least according to uncle JR.”

Sue Ellen looked embarrassed but Lucy, Chris and John Ross just laughed before they changed the subject. Clayton turned to his wife and said, “I’m sorry to say this Ellie but Pam has certainly not raised Rebecca well.”

“She’s just curious that’s all,” Miss Ellie said.

 

[Presea]

Karin, it was most definitely sexual blackmail against Katherine on the show. Katherine slept with JR the first time because he had told her that he would help her get Bobby if she did. However, we never saw him telling her this before it was revealed that they did do it. They just showed JR admitting to Katherine that he did tell her that right after they were, uh, done. A bit confusing for viewers. In that same scene, JR then shows Katherine that he has a casette tape, and that he recorded them while they were having sex. (At least WE didn't have to hear the tape). Right before that, JR explains that Bobby will never want her if he finds out she has slept with him. After he shows her the tape, JR then goes on to say this: "You just do what I want, when I want it, and no one will ever have to know about tonight." A later episode then shows that they have slept together again (Katherine is very unenthusiastic.) Katherine tells JR that she does not like the arrangement at all. JR replies with: "Well, there's not a damn thing you can do about it, Katherine! Unless you want us to go straight to Bobby and explain everything to him. Maybe that will solve your little problem!" Katherine then tells JR that she does not know why he wants to sleep with her when he knows she can't stand him. JR says that it is because he has a very "lusty appetite", and because Sue Ellen wasn't sleeping with him and his "favorite lady" (Serena the call girl) was out of town. In other words, JR was stating very clearly that he was simply using Katherine as a stand-in prostitute in order to take care of his needs. Katherine had no interest in having a pleasurable affair with JR. Finally, in the last scene where they slept together, JR lies to Katherine by claiming that he played the tape (beginning to question if he even actually recorded anything on it) to Bobby. Katherine is furious. She then foolishly proceeded to tell Bobby that she slept with JR. Bobby had no idea of anything, since JR never played the tape to him. Also, there was no scene with Sue Ellen and Peter fooling around in the stables at the Barbecue (thank god), as their affair took place off-screen. You might have been thinking of the scene with Dusty and Sue Ellen in the Dream Season.

I'm glad that I mentioned the blackmail in my earlier post, because I don't want to think of how you might have written any scenes that may contain references to the affair. As a word of friendly advice, it might help to rewatch any episodes that are connected to things in your story if it has been a long time since you've seen them or you feel like you just don't remember things. I've had to do it myself before I wrote some chapters of my own story. Because I also know how easy it is to remember some scenes the wrong way, and it was only during my second viewing of seasons 1-7 (dvd) that I realized this. Since this story especially deals with the canon past of Dallas, it is important to make sure you know what you are working with so that you don't end up with anymore annoying fans like me who will to point out errors to you. Lol.

BTW, will we get to see any scenes with Wendy? Wendy Wentworth. That is actually a hilarious sounding name, now that I think of it. Lol!

 

[Presea]

I love how the kids are getting all getting along here! Especially love how Christopher has such a keen interest in being a big brother to Rebecca. However, Rebecca's sex interest is getting a bit tiresome. I know she doesn't understand it, but perhaps someone can explain just how inappropriate it is to keep saying these things? Perhaps JR can bring back his scary 1930's children rules for this case. Lol. Clayton really didn't mince words about how he felt about Pam's raising of Rebecca, did he? Damn! Lol!

 

[Miss Texas 1967]

Also, there was no scene with Sue Ellen and Peter fooling around in the stables at the Barbecue (thank god), as their affair took place off-screen. You might have been thinking of the scene with Dusty and Sue Ellen in the Dream Season.

There was a scene in Barbecue Four with Peter and Sue Ellen. It was particularly gross lol. I really like Linda Gray and she's a pretty lady, but that Peter stuff was not sexy lol (though I'm not sure that was the intention).

No screencap of the kiss but it's this scene:

 

[Presea]

There was a scene in Barbecue Four with Peter and Sue Ellen. It was particularly gross lol. I really like Linda Gray and she's a pretty lady, but that Peter stuff was not sexy lol (though I'm not sure that was the intention).

No screencap of the kiss but it's this scene:

I remember the kiss, unfortunately. I just never saw it as real fooling around style scene like Ray and Lucy's (ugh) and Sue Ellen and Dusty's. If you look at the dvd covers and menus, it looks Peter is having a harem with the way there are photos of him with all the women! It's horrible, and he didn't even have scenes with most of them! But I do know that Katherine was not with JR for some pleasure trip! But honestly, I would have actually rather of had it that way instead of making her go nuts with all of that Bobby stuff.

 

[Ray&Donna]

Lucy also fooled around with Eddie at the barbeque in the next season. It almost makes you wonder if the horses had to breed elsewhere

John Ross and Christopher are old enough to watch after Rebecca and Margaret, but maturity seems to be another matter entirely...

This entry makes me want to go roller-skating. Unfortunately I've never had the opportunity.

 

[Ms Southworth]

arty:arty:arty:

CONGRATULATIONS ON REACHING 25,000 VIEWS!!! :bravo:

arty:arty:arty:

 

[Miss Texas 1967]

I remember the kiss, unfortunately. I just never saw it as real fooling around style scene like Ray and Lucy's (ugh) and Sue Ellen and Dusty's. If you look at the dvd covers and menus, it looks Peter is having a harem with the way there are photos of him with all the women! It's horrible, and he didn't even have scenes with most of them! But I do know that Katherine was not with JR for some pleasure trip! But honestly, I would have actually rather of had it that way instead of making her go nuts with all of that Bobby stuff.

Oh yeah we never saw the follow through of the kiss, the scene ends with them kissing and you assume there's more :mo:
I was really just responding to that part, not the whole of your comment

 

[Ms Southworth]

I'm not gonna say at this point who the father is as it's fun to keep you guessing. I will say this however JR and Katherine was involved in season 7 (DVD) which was also the last season that Cliff & Afton were together so for the child to possibily be JR's she would have to be about 10 or 11 years old. So no not a teenager.

Alright ... Wendy is potentially a "tween" then??? I'm looking forward to learning more about this girl (or young woman)!

The name, Wendy Wentworth, does have a bit of "bad karma" attached to it! But maybe Wendy has a different last name? :wink@

So well the situation is this Katherine and Tom used whatever money Katherine had access to when they started up their company. However the company is not doing too well and the money is running out so they need to come up with new ways to fiance their lifestyle...
So Katherine is still a wealthy woman and still has her Wentworth stock, but she can't be associated with the company and hence don't have access to her money. So I hope this clears things up.

Tom and Katherine had a company??? How can you own and run a company if you're wanted by the police??? I'm looking forward to learning more about this couple and what Katherine has been up to? Why she bothered going to Dallas! And why she still hangs all to all this hatred!

@Karin Schill: There's probably a reason why Katherine is on the run (and has opted not to turn herself in). In America, first degree attempted murder is often punished with a life sentence, though the convicted does have the possibility to receive parole. Second degree attempted murder usually comes with a lengthy prison sentence, often ranging from between 5 to 15 years in prison. :wink@

 

[Ms Southworth]

Another hilarios update! I smiled and laughed so much! Thank you, @Karin Schill!

A very entertaining update that I give 10 out of 10 points! :10::10::10:

Please don't make Rebecca stop talking about sex! She's just an innocent girl who doesn't have the slightest clue what she's talking about! I love the way that you've written her lines! :bravo: I loved how Rebecca tried to explain what she knew about sex up to this point: "It has to do with babies ... and it happens when two adults are alone together ... and Sue Ellen was very good at it ...!"

John Ross and Christopher are quite a pair! While John Ross seems to be leading the talking regarding taking the girls roller blading, Christopher seems to be sucking up to Rebecca by making her believe that he wants to spend time with her! I'm a bit disappointed in the two young men, since they were doing so well! If Christopher has been on his best behavior while his parents are out of town, Bobby and Pam would consider erasing the rest of his grounding! Thus, he's living life "dangerously", IMO!

I love the way that you wrote Sue Ellen, Miss Ellie, and Lucy in this scene. :girl: :fantastic: :lolo:
For instance, "Are you also good at sex, Lucy?" :rlol: And I love how "embarrassed" Sue Ellen was!

However, I'm not fond of the way that Clayton keeps "poking" at the way Rebecca was raised and how she supposedly is lacking good manners! IMO, she's just a little girl who doesn't have a clue what she's talking about! And I like how Miss Ellie defended her! Actually, I would like for Miss Ellie to sit down with Rebecca and explain the birds and the bees to her ... at an age appropriate level, of course!

Please update soon! I can't wait to see what happens when the young generation of Ewings go roller blading (or whatever the boys manage to talk Lucy into)!

 

[Ms Southworth]

Karin, it was most definitely sexual blackmail against Katherine on the show. Katherine slept with JR the first time because he had told her that he would help her get Bobby if she did. However, we never saw him telling her this before it was revealed that they did do it. They just showed JR admitting to Katherine that he did tell her that right after they were, uh, done. A bit confusing for viewers.

@Presea: I doubt very much that what JR did would be considered a criminal act! Katherine didn't have a "gun" pointed at her head when she went to bed with JR at any time! She was just dumb enough to believe him when he said that he would help her with Bobby! She must have been somewhat delusional, if she honestly thought that sleeping with one brother would get her in the sack with the other!

While JR's blackmail cannot be considered very nice, neither were the things that Katherine did to break up Pam's marriage. Both JR and Katherine were wrong, but I honestly don't think that their actions could ever land them in jail.

Katherine had the option of just walking away from JR! She didn't! And instead she kept on letting JR take advantage of her up until the point when she chose to explain "things" to Bobby!

IMO, Katherine lost at her own game!

 

[Presea]

Alright ... Wendy is potentially a "tween" then??? I'm looking forward to learning more about this girl (or young woman)!

The name, Wendy Wentworth, does have a bit of "bad karma" attached to it! But maybe Wendy has a different last name? :wink@

Tom and Katherine had a company??? How can you own and run a company if you're wanted by the police??? I'm looking forward to learning more about this couple and what Katherine has been up to? Why she bothered going to Dallas! And why she still hangs all to all this hatred!

@Karin Schill: There's probably a reason why Katherine is on the run (and has opted not to turn herself in). In America, first degree attempted murder is often punished with a life sentence, though the convicted does have the possibility to receive parole. Second degree attempted murder usually comes with a lengthy prison sentence, often ranging from between 5 to 15 years in prison. :wink@

The company referred to is most likely Wentworth Industries, which is run by Herbert Wentworth's board of directors. Rebecca's will provided that both Katherine and Pam both receive a regular income from it, though. As for the other potential company, Wentworth Tool and Dye, which is a smaller company under Wentworth Industries itself, was divided by shares equally among Pam, Katherine, and Cliff. But it is unclear to me if Katherine still has the majority of these shares in this story, since Cliff was seen somehow selling them to Jeremy Wendell, even after he sold his share to Katherine. I guess they all just kept getting recycled around Dallas, but since it says in the summary at the beginning of this act that Katherine got her company back, I'm guessing she might posses all or two of the shares. However, I don't think that Katherine and Tom are really running any company in this story, just using the money. But since it is said that they started a company in this story, I am very confused myself. To run a company, they would have to reveal their identities, so I don't see how that is possible here.

I would imagine that Katherine was also afraid to turn herself because she believed that the Ewings (especially JR) would use their influence to possibly turn a prison sentence into an execution or extend the term, if it even was "short" to begin with. After all, it is Texas here.

I imagine Wendy's name is probably just Wendy Parker, legally speaking. Wentworth would send a red flag up, but I guess it's possible that it could be Wendy Wentworth Parker. But the double "Wen" makes the name sound like a potential tongue twister. Lol.

The answer to why Katherine is the way she is is really quite simple: She is obviously not completely sane here, and since she never wanted siblings in the first place or formed any kind of relationship with them, it was pretty easy for her to start blaming them for years about anything that went wrong in her life that was linked to her time in Dallas. She probably sees the real possibility that Rebecca would still be alive if Pam had never tried to find her. I'm not saying it was Pam's fault, but it would be easy for Katherine to see it that way. Simply, Katherine had a breakdown and was never able to completely move on and stop obsessing over her past. It happens to people, and it is not hard to figure this out, so I don't understand why you keep asking this question.

 

[Presea]

@Presea: I doubt very much that what JR did would be considered a criminal act! Katherine didn't have a "gun" pointed at her head when she went to bed with JR at any time! She was just dumb enough to believe him when he said that he would help her with Bobby! She must have been somewhat delusional, if she honestly thought that sleeping with one brother would get her in the sack with the other!

While JR's blackmail cannot be considered very nice, neither were the things that Katherine did to break up Pam's marriage. Both JR and Katherine were wrong, but I honestly don't think that their actions could ever land them in jail.

Katherine had the option of just walking away from JR! She didn't! And instead she kept on letting JR take advantage of her up until the point when she chose to explain "things" to Bobby!

IMO, Katherine lost at her own game!

Sexual coercion is still considered a crime in the US, the choice part makes no difference, because a victim would feel like they didn't have a choice when it came to losing something that is being threatened to be taken away from them, whether it is something like money, or in Katherine's case, an emotional attachment. It is not considered the same as rape, but women or men are still considered as victims whose rights are being violated. However, since this took place in 1984, things might have been a bit different back then, so I doubt that a court would have seen it that way, especially since there was no real evidence here. But to rephrase my earlier question, would you honestly say that this was okay, say if for example, Pam was the one being blackmailed for sex by JR so that he would not do something to hurt Bobby or Cliff, or do something to take away any of her financial assets? I highly doubt that you would just say: "Oh, well Pam had a choice here, and JR did nothing wrong!" Katherine was crazy, so of course she would go along with whatever JR wanted her to do in order to still be able to talk to Bobby. He was the only thing in her life that had any value to her at that point in her life. Doing that to a person with mental health problems is seriously wrong, and even if she wasn't crazy, it is still wrong. A crime is a crime, no matter how much you like or dislike a victim. Justice is blind.

 

[Karin]

Thanks for all the feedback and posts. It's been interesting reading all the discussion and different POV's!

Presea, thanks for elaborating on the JR & Katherine thing and what was being said. It does sound truly awful the way you describe it.
Oddly enough I think when I watched it on the show I thought it was sort of funny how Katherine had been playing with fire and gotten burned. Like they were both manipulating each other in some sort of power struggle and Katherine lost. But yeah I remember the cassette tape and how Katherine confessed to Bobby that she'd slept with JR. I think it was when she was at the oil baron's club drunk and she had also told Mark that he was dying right around the same time. I think those scenes were supposed to be entertaining and funny but looking at it from a feminist perspective they are neither of course.

But yeah I see the point you are trying to make about sexual coercion and giving it some thought, I think JR did the same thing to Laurel Ellis later on. I think he said he that if she'd sleep with him he would make sure that Clayton wasn't convincted for the murder of her boyfriend or something like that. I really disliked that storyline!

Thanks for the suggestion to rewatch specific Dallas episode, believe me we do our research from time to time and look up specific details that we don't remember but that are important for a specific storyline.

Yet when you are dealing with a story as complex as Dallas it's impossible to remember everything and I do get why there were sometimes errors with continuity on the show as there are a lot of characters to keep track of at once. In fact occasionally I find myself struggling to remember all the details in the episodes of this fanfic and sometimes have to look back into earlier episodes to be able to rewrite things. So it does get confusing at times.

The reference to Katherine getting her father's company back is about Wentworth Tool and Dye. If memory serves me right she got Cliff to sell her his part when she gave him a loan when he needed money to drill on Gold Canyon 340. So I don't get how Cliff could have sold it to Wendell further on as he should not have owned it. But maybe it was Barnes-Wentworth that he sold to Wendell?

Katherine and Pam both still have their shares of Wentworth Industries but neither are involved in the running of that company and Katherine can't access her money from it since she's a fugitive.

Yes we will get to meet Wendy in a later episode and you are correct when you assume her last name is Parker.

I'm glad you enjoyed the scene back at Southfork too!

Miss Texas 1967, thanks for posting that screencap, yes that's the scene I was thinking of and I know it cuts at the kiss and I always assumed there was nothing more to it than that but the last time I rewatched that episode I got the feeling that something more happened! :eck:

Tommie, oh yeah I remember Lucy and Eddie's scene at the barn too!

If you've never gone roller skating you need to try it, it's fun!
I used to go roller skating all the time when I was a child. But unfortunately the asphalt over here is quite uneven and not very smooth to go on. Nothing like those fancy roller skating halls you've seen on TV from the USA with disco music and all. I bet roller skating is more fun at a venue like those. But sadly we don't have them over here so you have to go outdoors. Anyway the last time I went roller blading was 6 years ago while on vacation in the south of Sweden. My sister and I thought it would be fun to bring our roller blades but it didn't turn out so well. You see since it had literally been years before that since I last went roller blading the plastic in my roller blades had gotten bad and when I started skating it left a trail of plastic after it on the street as the skates litterally fell apart! :lolo:
It sure looked neat right to the signs with the text that said something like: "Pick up your garbage from the streets. Don't litter!"

Miss Southworth, wow 25000 views. It sounds like a lot!
Yes Wendy's last name is Parker. Thanks for explaining about the legal system in the USA. It does sound like they give much more lenghty punishments in the USA than in Scandinavia. So it must be a cultural difference.

But yeah Katherine and Tom have a company. I'm not sure if they actually started it themselves or if they bought an existing company and changed the name of it.

I am really glad that you found the latest update funny. It was supposed to be.

Okay so an update will follow in the next post.