Dallas in the 90's

[Ms Southworth]

Excellent update about Sue Ellen and Pam! I especially loved the depth of Sue Ellen's thoughts and also the heartfelt conversation between two former sister-in-laws! I give this scene a full scoreboard!

The first five sentences were amazing! Sue Ellen's thoughts make sense in a crazy sort of way! But alcohol is only going to make her temporarily forget about her problems! I'm so happy that Pam came in when she did!

Although it's not funny at all, I did chuckle a bit when I read this part:
"Sue Ellen could feel her cheeks get flushed as she was so embarrassed to have been caught with the drink. “Oh you mean this?” Sue Ellen showed her the glass. “It’s nothing. I was just getting a drink for Miss Ellie…” Sue Ellen gave Pam the drink. “Here you can have it!” Pam smelled it and made a face, “Nice try Sue Ellen, but Miss Ellie doesn’t drink vodka!”. “Alright, I admit it. I poured that drink for me. But I didn’t drink it, I swear.”

I love Pam's ability to tell that Sue Ellen is in trouble and in need of serious help and a lot of love and care!

Funny how they shared their experiences about divorcing the same man twice! On one hand, it's very natural to share your own experiences when you're talking to a friend, but I think that Pam talked too much about herself here rather than really listen to Sue Ellen! Pam should have let Sue Ellen collect her thoughts here and there and accept silence during the talk once in a while! A difficult task, but it can be done! But on the other hand, I also think that Pam sharing her experiences helped Sue Ellen reflect upon the issues she has to face!

Very clever statements:

• “You’re right, it doesn’t make much sense, but then again I guess love never does!”
• “Yeah if you really love someone you hurt when they are hurting”
• “Definitely, and you hurt when you can’t be with them and they are happy with someone else too…”

I got a good laugh out of the description of Cally! :lolo: “She was a sweet young thing who looked like she was about 12!”

Oh, how I love this: “Well Jenna might have been his first love, but you must know that you are the love of his life.”

I think that I understand Sue Ellen's confusion a bit better now: “I mean it all happened so fast and I’m not sure I’m doing the right thing.”

But then again, Pam does have a point: “Because I don’t want to see you make the same mistake I did. So if you love him I think you should try to work out your problems.” :wink@

And then all of a sudden, JR was included in the "equation": “Because it’s safer to stay married to him. I mean as long as I am, JR can’t…. ... ... I kissed him, Pam.” It's no wonder Pam was shocked, not once but twice

I fully agree with Pam that Sue Ellen under the circumstances needs to set up a meeting with Don! They need to talk things out! Not to make up, but to clear the air between them so to speak!

Oh Sue Ellen! Not knowing which hotel Don is staying at in New York City is no excuse for not trying to get ahold of him! :mo: And for Sue Ellen to change the subject by dragging John Ross into the conversation, makes absolutely no sense!

Like I said earlier, I agree with Pam: “No buts, you need to talk to Don…” “Good, then just remember that a leopard never loses its spots”! Great expression!

However, I'm not sure that I completely agree with Pam's closing "statement" of this amazing scene: “No buts, no matter how much JR says he’s changed, we both know that he hasn’t and that he never will. Because once a JR, always a JR!”. Sue Ellen is a big girl, and she needs to make her own decisions about her life ... ... and about what man she wants to spend her time with!

Totally amazing scene! I can't wait to see what happens next! Please update soon!

 

[Karin]

Thank you everyone for the feedback on my story. After a crap day that was just what I needed! :group:
I am so annoyed today, see I've been trying to work on a new fan music video but I needed to capture some scenes and unfortunately I couldn't get my capture card to work today. I tried unsuccessfully for hours rebooting my computer and connecting the device to different USB ports but nothing worked. So now I'm stuck with my video until I'll be able to solve this problem.

Anyway enough of that mini rant.

Honkytonkangel, thank you for the detailed feedback.
You know the description of Cally was actually inspired by things that Sue Ellen said on the show like "Where is that sweet young thing?" (to JR on his wedding day before going up to see his new bride to be) and I think on another occasion she said something like that JR had cruised the local junior high school to find Cally! :rlol:
Oh I could just picture JR/SE on the Jerry Springer show. Or maybe not as keeping up appearances has always been important to them so I can't see them wanting to air their dirty laundry on TV. They are embarrassed as it is about the movie. Yes Pam is very biased when it comes to JR and Sue Ellen knows that. Maybe that's why she told her abour JR since she wanted to be reminded by someone just why she shouldn't go back to JR now when her resolve is clearly weakening...
Of course staying married to Don is not a solution to keep her from JR. I mean if Don hadn't shown up when he did she would probably have cheated on him already with JR!

Ms Southworth, I am glad you enjoyed the inner turmoil of Sue Ellen. I guess it's part of my writing style, I like to focus on what the characters feels and thinks while Jenny is more about what they do. So when you put it together you usually get a pretty good scene.

Then as for John Ross and steady relationships, you might be surprised to learn that he's already had steady girlfriends before...you will get to know more than you probably want to know about John Ross and his love life in a later scene where he brags to Chris about his conquests (sorta)...
I'm glad you think Melissa seems like a nice girl though.

I think Sue Ellen trying to hide the booze is only funny because it's something that we recognize in Sue Ellen from before. It's so her that we chuckle because of it even though it's not a funny situation at all.

Silvie, merci beacoup! I am glad you think the last update was amazing and good enough to be on TV!

Okay so it's time for an update and since you've been good with the feedback I'll give you a double treat tonight:


At Wade’s house, Lucas put his plate into the dishwasher before running out the door calling to his mom, “Thanks for lunch mom. I’m going over to Andersons!”

“Okay have fun!” Jenna answered. “And close the door on your way out!”

Lucas banged the door shut and Jenna turned to Martha who smiled, “He is a great kid!”

“That he is,” Jenna agreed.

“Are you sure you want me to stay here?” Martha asked sadly. “I mean I don’t wanna put your family in danger.”

Jenna reached over the table putting her hand over Martha’s saying, “Martha, you and Anna where really sweet to me when I first came to Italy. I’m happy to help you out now.”

“Thanks,” Martha smiled gratefully but then a concerned look appeared on her face. “But you didn’t have any baggage like this with you!”

“Martha don’t worry about it. We’ll handle it!” Jenna reassured her.

“I don’t know, maybe it would be for the best if I just left.”

“No way we can’t risk Lorenzo and his guys finding you,” Jenna insisted. “Knowing what you do, he will kill you if he does and I ain’t gonna let that happen! So you’re staying put!”

Martha smiled sadly, “Thank you. I don’t know what I’d done if I hadn’t run into you.”

 

[Karin]

At Afton’s house were Becky and Afton having lunch together. Becky put down her milk glass and said in an excited voice, “Isn’t it great that Aunt Pam will let me be flower girl at her wedding?”

“You like that huh?”

“Yeah I’ve never been to a wedding before!”

“Well weddings are exciting,” Afton smiled. “How would you like if mommy got married again?”

“Excuse me?” Becky asked.

“You heard me, wouldn’t it be nice if mommy got married again and maybe gave you a little brother or a sister?”

“Oh no, don’t tell me you’re gonna have a baby with Mario!” Becky made a disgusted face.

“Well if we’ll get married I think he wants kids…”

“So you’re not pregnant?”

“No,” Afton shook her head.

Becky sighed relieved. “Good!” But then her eyes widened as it dawned on her that her mother was thinking about marrying that snob. “Mom you’re not gonna marry Mario, are you?”

“Well, as a matter of fact, I am!”

“No!” Becky whined. “Mom what are you thinking? I don’t want him as a step-dad!”

“Pamela Rebecca watch your tongue! Mario happens to be a very nice man and earlier this year you said that you’d love for him to be your new father!”

Becky sighed. “But that was before I knew my real dad. I don’t need another father now!”

“Well you’d just have to get used to the idea. Since I love Mario and I’m gonna marry him!” Becky stood up in protest, “Where are you going?” Afton asked in an upset voice. “We haven’t finished eating…”

“I lost my appetite!” Becky said and ran off towards her room. Afton sighed since that didn’t go so well.

 

[Ms Southworth]

Thanks a lot for giving us two scenes at once!

I find it strange that Lucas supposedly hasn't shared anything about his new friend with his mother! And even if he didn't think of sharing it, it still leaves me very puzzled, because ... ... What kind of mother doesn't ask about her child's day? And especially on a day when her son has made a new friend? I guess that Jenna and I must fall into two very different kinds of parent categories!

I have never heard of a 7 year old boy who doesn't call their friends by their first name! Why didn't Jenna pick up on the fact that Lucas said that he was going to the Anderson's? Once again, I must seriously question her ability to be a good mother to Lucas! I think that it's time for Ray to step up and take charge! His son needs him bad!

Sorry, I know that all of this probably sounds very harsh, but I just cannot stand parents who don't look out for the well-being of their children! :hiding:

 

[Ms Southworth]

Great scene with Afton and Becky!

It's awesome that Becky is so excited about the prospect of being a flower girl at Bobby and Pam's wedding! Becky's happiness is very "catching"! Being 10 years old, I can just imagine how much she supposedly would love to play "dress up"! Especially in a pretty, white dress with her hair all done in some fancy way!

Can you imagine why I chuckled when Afton said this? “Well weddings are exciting”. I'll give you a little hint: It's got to do with a different wedding where someone close to her got married .... many years ago!

Yikes!!! :eck: I can only imagine how shocked Becky was when Afton shared her plans about marrying Mario! And it certainly didn't help when Afton included the idea of adding a baby to the equation! I'm glad that Afton didn't share that it would also mean relocating and thus leaving not only her dad but also his side of the family!

It's real disappointing that Afton would even consider saying yes to Mario's marriage "proposal" without even discussing it with her daughter first. After all, Afton and Becky have been a great mother/daughter team up until now, and IMO, it's just NOT okay to do what Afton did! Afton should put her daughter first and foremost! I don't blame Becky for her poor behavior and for acting out! It must have felt like being punched hard in the stomach! And you know what? I think that Becky would feel the exact same way, even if her dad hadn't come into her life!

LOL ... “I lost my appetite!” I loved Becky's final line!

Please update soon! It must be getting close to a certain doctor's visit right about now!

 

[Karin]

Thank you for the feedback Ms Southworth.

I think Jenna has too much on her mind right now which is probably why she doesn't pay as much attention to Lucas as she should. I guess that Lucas says that he's going to the Anderson's rather than a first name of his friend should be a giveaway that it's an adult. It's sort of like on the cartoon I watched when I was a child "Dennis the Menace" when he always went over to the neighbour's house and annoyed mr. Nilsson I think it was in Swedish. I don't know the name in English.
Anyways Jenna just doesn't pay attention.

Can you imagine why I chuckled when Afton said this? “Well weddings are exciting”. I'll give you a little hint: It's got to do with a different wedding where someone close to her got married .... many years ago!

Are you referring to Lucy & Mitch's wedding?
I suppose she or her mother might have said something similiar back then...

Yeah Afton dumped a lot on her daughter at once so I can totally understand Becky's reaction too. I guess the problem with Mario is that he's not good with kids. But unfortunately Afton hasn't gotten the memo just yet.

You are not wrong when you assume it's time for the doctor's appointment soon. Only you don't get to read about it...

Anyway here's tonight's update:


At The Store in downtown Dallas were Bobby and Pam busy shopping after Pam’s visit at the doctor’s. Pam entered yet another department and Bobby tagged along after her carrying all of the shopping bags. “How many more departments are we’re going to go to?”

“I don’t know a couple more. I’m not done with my shopping yet,” Pam said.

“But how can you not be done?” Bobby complained. “You’ve bought half of the place already!”

“Oh come on honey, you know that I need a new wardrobe. Most of my stuff is still in Los Angeles,” Pam reasoned with Bobby. “Besides, remember that you promised me this for going through that awful medical examination.”

“It wasn’t that awful...”

“I had to take a blood test,” Pam pouted.

“Yeah but it’s not like that’s the end of the world. I mean it was just a blood test!”

“You’re just saying that because you didn’t have to take it!”

“No I don’t mind taking shots!”

“Oh why is that?”

“Because I’m a man, we don’t mind silly things like that!”

“Oh come on that’s so chauvinistic!”

“Pam I’m serious!”

“You’re so cute when you...”

“Bobby!” Their playful argument was suddenly interrupted by a woman who walked up to them.

Bobby’s face dropped when he recognized her. “Tammy!” The woman then threw her arms around Bobby, giving him a hug and Pam jealously crossed her arms, as she didn't like what she saw. Bobby didn't seem to mind at all though, but just smiled at the woman after he'd let her go. “Gosh it must have been years since I saw you. How are you?”

“Fine thanks and you?”

“Better than fine!” Bobby grinned.

“I’m really glad to hear that so…”

“Bobby!” Pam interrupted their happy chattering and it was quite obvious that she wanted an introduction.

“Oh I’m sorry honey, I guess I forgot to introduce you,” Bobby smiled sheepishly. “Pam this is Tammy, she’s an old friend of mine!” Bobby then turned to Tammy and said, “Tammy this is Pamela, she’s Cliff’s sister!”

“Oh so you’re Pamela,” Tammy said in a knowing voice that made Pam feel annoyed since it was obvious that the woman knew very well who she was and yet she had no clue who this Tammy was. But her gut feeling told her she was really an old girlfriends of Bobby’s and she didn’t like it one bit.

“Yes, I’m Pamela Ewing!” Pam said and shook hands with Tammy.

“Well how nice to finally meet you. I’ve heard a lot about you!”

“Unfortunately I can’t say the same. So how exactly do you know my husband?”

“Oh so you’ve gotten remarried?” Tammy asked dodging Pam’s question.

“No not yet, we’re just engaged so far!” Bobby smiled.

“Well I’m glad that everything’s worked out for you. I remember how bummed you were after she’d walked out on you!” Tammy told Bobby and Pam just got more and more annoyed as the woman was treating her like if she was invisible.

“Yeah as I remember you were pretty bummed yourself,” Bobby reminded Tammy.

“I was but it’s funny how things sometimes works out for the best…you see after I divorced Paul I met this wonderful man and…”

“Well this wonderful man’s taken!” Pam cut in, possessively taking hold of Bobby’s arm.

“I wasn’t talking about Bobby!” Tammy laughed before she turned to Bobby. “But you do know my husband…”

“Oh really?” Bobby asked.

“Yeah you…” Tammy didn’t have the chance to finish the sentence before a little girl and a man came walking up towards them.

The little girl called out, “Mommy!”

Tammy’s face lit up when she saw them and said, “This is my daughter Andrea, she’s three years old and do you remember Hank?”

“Of course I do, Hank, long time no see!” Bobby smiled as he gave his old friend a manly hug.

“Bobby!” Hank smiled. “I haven’t seen you since college. It’s so good to see you!”

“You too, so do you remember that football game when…” Bobby and Hank went on talking old college memories and Pam sighed, as she realized that she was not gonna get much more shopping done today.

 

[supermanfan]

:fantastic::fantastic::fantastic:

 

[Presea]

Just when I thought she was starting to make some progress, Sue Ellen once again reverts back to her season 5 (dvd) self. I feel like she is using her marriage with Don Dorkwood as an excuse to not have to worry about the possible consequences of getting fully involved with JR again. As long as she is married to Don, she can keep using the "I'm staying at Southfork for John Ross" excuse forever, and enjoy the benefits of spending time with JR without having to worry about the complications of a formal relationship or marriage with him. What happened to the strong, independent Sue Ellen from the later seasons? Pam makes a good point about JR. Assuming we are not going by the magical fanfiction fix-it rules here (although I would not be surprised to see you play by them), compulsive cheaters like JR can't just magically stop what they have done for years. It should take some serious work and communication. Also, Sue Ellen and Pam are annoying me with their obsession with the Ewing name. A last name does not grant special characteristics or actions. They should start looking at Bobby and JR completely as individuals.

These scenes with Bobby, Pam, and their old exes and friends are really getting old. Especially with Bobby's bimbo former bed partners. Pam is really out of character with her petty jealousness and wussiness about the doctors. I don't know if the doctor fear has to do with her accident, but I don't recall the Pam from the show being this afraid of anything or acting insecure, possessive, and even somewhat bitchy to any woman who so much as greets Bobby like the ones in this fic are doing. For Christ's sake, Pam is supposed to be 40 something in this story, not fifteen!

 

[Mrs Bobby James Ewing]

Great updates Karin! I am so happy that Pam stopped Sue Ellen from drinking and that they talked about Sue Ellen's situation with JR and Don. I don't blame Becky for being upset about Afton's upcoming wedding to Mario. I not a fan of Mario's either and I don't want Afton to marry him. I am rooting for Afton and Cliff to become a family with their daughter Becky in your story even though Cliff wasn't always nice to Afton on original Dallas. Jenna's situation with her son Lucas is just sad. I have no words for that story since I am a fan of Bobby and Pam and I felt sorry for them both when they had to Jenna's pregnancy with.Bobby's baby during Pam's final season. Bobby and Pam's shopping spree at The Store after Pam's Dr's appointment was so cute until they ran to Tammy and her family. I wasn't a fan of Tammy on original Dallas. Please don't make Bobby the father of Tommy's three year old daughter Andrea. Pam and I couldn't handle that.

 

[Ms Southworth]

Thank you for the feedback Ms Southworth.

:yw:

I think Jenna has too much on her mind right now which is probably why she doesn't pay as much attention to Lucas as she should. I guess that Lucas says that he's going to the Anderson's rather than a first name of his friend should be a giveaway that it's an adult. It's sort of like on the cartoon I watched when I was a child "Dennis the Menace" when he always went over to the neighbour's house and annoyed mr. Nilsson I think it was in Swedish. I don't know the name in English.
Anyways Jenna just doesn't pay attention.

If Jenna has too much on her mind to be able to pay attention to her son's activities and whereabouts, then that's definitely a problem!

Anyway, I hope that you know that I'm not critizing your excellent writing skills or your creative mind! I'm just reflecting on the "little" things that the characters say or think, which ... I'm sure ... probably may come off in the wrong way! :shy:

Just know that I care a LOT about not only your fanfic but also numerous of the characters (whom I've known for years and years ).

Are you referring to Lucy & Mitch's wedding?
I suppose she or her mother might have said something similiar back then...

I was thinking of Afton and JR and the "fun" they supposedly had at Lucy and Mitch's wedding! :brick:

Yeah Afton dumped a lot on her daughter at once so I can totally understand Becky's reaction too. I guess the problem with Mario is that he's not good with kids. But unfortunately Afton hasn't gotten the memo just yet.

There are moments when I don't recognize the Afton in your fanfic! And this is one of those times! Why is it so important for Afton to hold onto Mario? Especially when her daughter clearly doesn't like him ... and Mario doesn't make an effort to capture Becky's heart!

You are not wrong when you assume it's time for the doctor's appointment soon. Only you don't get to read about it...

Fine!!! I guess a doctor's visit can be uneventful!

I need to gather my thoughts before I'm able to review the latest update! Thus, it might be several hours before I'm ready to speak my mind!

In the meantime, I'll be looking forward to the next update! :wink@

 

[Karin]

Thank you everyone for the feedback. I really enjoy reading your comments.

Shan, I'm glad you found the latest updates fantastic.

Presea, you are spot on when you say that "she is using her marriage with Don Dorkwood as an excuse to not have to worry about the possible consequences of getting fully involved with JR again." That is exactly what she is doing.

What happened to the strong, independent Sue Ellen from the later seasons?

Don't worry she's still in there somewhere and you will get to see more of her later on.

You are right about Bobby and Pam too. This is one of the original scenes in this story that hasn't really changed since we first wrote it when I was about 15 years old. So Pam's reaction to "Bobby's bimbo former bed partners" can probably best be seen as my way of dealing with a plotline that I didn't like. So hence Pam's jealousy. I think my reasoning went something along the lines of that because Bobby slept with that woman before his divorce was final Pam has reason to be jealous. Even though of course that woman is not a threat to her!

Luckily I think that scene was the last of it's kind!

Then as for Pam, she did display some jealousy in her final season when she was obsessing over the child Bobby was going to have with Jenna. She was seriously jealous about that and even tried to buy Jenna's baby. :eck:

Sanda, don't worry about Tammy. I didn't like her much on the original show either and she's not coming back again. This scene was just to establish that she'd found happiness with someone else and had moved on from Bobby. Her husband is the father of her daughter. Not Bobby. All they ever had was a one night stand and it was more than 4 years ago so he can't be the father of her child!

Ms Southworth, thanks for pointing out that you are not critizising my writing skills. That's good to know. So I guess what you are doing is critizising the characters you don't like and also the plots you don't like, am I right?

There are moments when I don't recognize the Afton in your fanfic! And this is one of those times! Why is it so important for Afton to hold onto Mario?

Good qusetion, probably because she sees him as her ticket to a better life for herself and her daughter. She was a bit of a gold digger on the show at first and she did marry that other man who she thought was rich. Then as for Afton, I think the version of her you meet in this fanfic is based a lot on the character she was when she came back to Dallas for the last time (before JR Returns that is). Back then Afton didn't want to marry Cliff since she thought he only wanted her for her daughter. She wanted a man who wanted her for her. So that's what she has found in Mario. Someone who loves and wants her regardless of her daughter.

I need to gather my thoughts before I'm able to review the latest update! Thus, it might be several hours before I'm ready to speak my mind!

That doesn't sound good. So was there something in the last update that upset you?

Okay so it's time for an update:

Ray, Donna, Margaret and Rebecca were walking around at the Palace of Wax museum. Margaret pointed at the statue of President John F. Kennedy and said in an excited tone of voice, “Mom look, he looks so real!”


“He sure does dear!” Donna smiled as she walked up to her daughter.

“Who is he?” Rebecca wrinkled her forehead, since she didn't recognize him.

“Don’t you know?” Margaret turned to her before she went on like it was the most natural thing in the world, “He’s President Kennedy!”

Rebecca looked confused, “But I thought the President’s name was Bill Clinton!”

“Yes, but John F Kennedy was one of our Presidents in the 1960s!”

“But that’s a long time ago!” Rebecca said.

“Sure is,” Margaret agreed. “Let’s take our picture with him!”

“Why?” Rebecca asked. “He’s a stuffy old man!”

“Is not, he’s a legend!” Margaret insisted.

Rebecca shrugged her shoulders, “Well alright then, if it means so much to you.” Rebecca and Margaret lined up in front of the figure. Ray shook his head as Donna snapped a picture of the smiling girls.

“Thanks mommy, this picture will look great next to my picture with John-John and Caroline,” Margaret said.

Ray raised an eyebrow, “You’ve met the Kennedy’s children?”

“Aha,” Margaret nodded excitedly, “and Jackie O, when we were up at Hyanni’s port for the summer!”

Ray looked surprised before he turned to Donna. “Is there anyone you don’t know?”

“Ray, I don’t really socialize with the Kennedy’s. We were just introduced to them through mutual friends three years ago,” Donna said.

“Still you have friends in powerful places,” Ray acknowledged.

“Well everyone knows everyone in D.C,” Donna said and Ray sighed.

 

[Ms Southworth]

Thank you everyone for the feedback. I really enjoy reading your comments.

That's good to know! If no one ever replied to your fanfic updates, it really wouldn't be "soap chat" now, would it?

Ms Southworth, thanks for pointing out that you are not critizising my writing skills. That's good to know. So I guess what you are doing is critizising the characters you don't like and also the plots you don't like, am I right?

Yes, I guess that pretty much covers it!
And I really should tell you at a time like this that I'm (still) so in love with your fanfic!!!

Good question, probably because [Afton] sees him as her ticket to a better life for herself and her daughter. She was a bit of a gold digger on the show at first and she did marry that other man who she thought was rich. Then as for Afton, I think the version of her you meet in this fanfic is based a lot on the character she was when she came back to Dallas for the last time (before JR Returns that is). Back then Afton didn't want to marry Cliff since she thought he only wanted her for her daughter. She wanted a man who wanted her for her. So that's what she has found in Mario. Someone who loves and wants her regardless of her daughter.

But Mario doesn't want Becky as a steph-daughter as far as I've been able to tell!!! He has made pretty much no effort to talk to her or do stuff with her without her mom's presence, so they can get to know each other at some deeper level!

In regards to Afton, I don't know how she can think that life will get "better" if only she can find a man to provide for her! Where is the logic in that? If her boyfriend and her daughter don't get along before they live under the same roof, what makes Afton think that a miracle can happen?

I don't remember much of the Afton you referred to, which is why I don't find her to be in character! But that's my problem! :cooler: I would have liked for Afton that parenthood had brought about some changes in her, so that she would be much more rational and mature!

That doesn't sound good. So was there something in the last update that upset you?

Yes, I was upset about the scene with Bobby and Pam shopping. I didn't recognize their character traits, and I just couldn't imagine PD and VP acting out this scene on TV. Also, I don't remember them shopping together with Bobby carrying around her bags. Yes, they have both been jealous in the past, but not the way that it was portrayed in your scene, IMO. Knowing now that you wrote the scene when you were about 15, puts things in perspective though! The way the scene was written, it seemed like both Bobby and Pam acted and talked like a couple of teenagers! And it didn't suit them! Especially now that they're in their late 40's.

I really liked that Bobby and Pam were shopping at the Store, i.e. a place that Pam used to work at for many years. Perfect that you included that in this fanfic.

Would you happen to have a photo of Tammy? Honestly, I can't remember what she looks like! But then again, I didn't like the double-digit seasons! :shy:

I'll be looking forward to many more updates from you!

 

[Ms Southworth]

Great scene from the Palace of Wax Museum!

Although I've never heard of this museum, I love that you take the time to research interesting places for the characters to visit! ... ... because I'm guessing that this particular museum really does exist!

It was a perfect museum for the Krebbs family to visit! I'm sure that Donna and Margaret "knew" just about all the waxed people!

I felt sorry for Rebecca, when Margaret said: “Don’t you know? ... ... He’s President Kennedy!” Rebecca is a typical 7 year old girl, whereas her cousin is in a completely different "league"! Great writing!

LOL ... ... Margaret is something else: “Thanks mommy, this picture will look great next to my picture with John-John and Caroline!”.

I felt sad for Ray when they talked about Donna having friends in high places and knowing everyone in D.C.! I think that there is still a part of him that believes that they are too different to be together! I'll start praying that something will happen so he will change his mind!

Please update soon! I'm so anxious to read the rest of not only this episode, but also the other 90 or so episodes!

 

[Karin]

Thank you for the feedback Ms Southworth.

You are right when you say that Mario is not that interested in being a step-father to Becky. He is not planning to be an active parent to her.
You are right Afton is expecting too much from her relationship with Mario. She thinks he is going to become a great father to her child. But I think it's mostly wishful thinking on her part.

It sounds to me like you seriously need to rewatch season 9-14 (DVD) of Dallas some day. Because it seems like you've forgotten a lot of the plots then. I know you didn't like those seasons originally but I can promise you that after having watched Dallas TNT those seasons are really great when you compare them. Especially season 9-10. In fact I think season ten was one of the best ones in the entire run. I just love that season. Probably because it properly reunited Bobby and Pam.

Ironically I've watched the final four seasons of Dallas more times than the beginnings because I began to watch the show when Pam crashed into that tanker. So I've seen the whole show all the way through twice and the end four times. One time I even saw it with German dubbing!
Yet I do agree with people who say that season 1-10 were the best seasons of the show as it was never really the same after Pam left.

Sorry you didn't like the Bobby & Pam shopping scene. You know Bobby carried the bags for April when they went shopping in Paris, so I figured it was a Bobby thing to do.

That's good to know! If no one ever replied to your fanfic updates, it really wouldn't be "soap chat" now, would it?

I guess not as this is a friendly community where people love to discuss soap operas.
Also if nobody sent me feedback on my story I wouldn't be posting it. In fact I wouldn't be posting this at all if I hadn't gotten such a positive response on the first two scenes that I posted in the "one-shot" thread even though they were not one-shots. :wink@

Would you happen to have a photo of Tammy? Honestly, I can't remember what she looks like!

Good question...maybe I can make a screen cap from the scene at the oil baron's ball if I captured it...
Nope I've only captured the scene where Sue Ellen finds out about Cally and punches JR!
Not the one with April, Tammy and Tracey. Or "The Bobby Ewing fan club" as I think April referred to them as being members of...
So sorry no photo, but if you go to Internet Movie Data Basis and look at the episode for the Oil Baron's Ball in season 12 you should be able to see all of the cast and then just click on the woman who played Tammy. If there's no picture you can google the name. Just a tip!

Yes I do think that there is a Palace of Wax Museum in Dallas.
You know the trickiest part about doing research for this story is to find out if the places existed some 20 years ago. But yeah I think it's an actual place we found.

I'm glad that you enjoyed the Krebb's family's outing even though it highlighted Donna and Ray's differences.

Okay so it's time for another update:

Bobby and Pam walked into their room at Southfork. Bobby put down a ton of shopping bags on the bed. “Home at last, I never thought you’d stop shopping!”

“Well it would have gone a lot quicker if you hadn’t talked to Tammy and Hank for an hour!” Pam complained.

“I’m sorry but it’s just that they are old friends from college and…”

“I kind of got that but you still shouldn’t have talked that long to them. If you hadn’t we would have gotten to the jeweler before they’d closed!”

“I know, but telling me about it five times doesn’t change the fact!”

“No but I was really looking forward to pick out my engagement ring!”

“Well then you shouldn’t have saved that shop for last!”

“Maybe not it’s just that I really needed some new clothes too!”

“Tell me about it!” Bobby sighed. “What’s with you women, why do you spend so much time going to the mall, the hair dressers, pedicure and manicure?”

“Because we like it,” Pam simply replied.

“Obviously, still I don’t get why you don’t get bored?”

“Well if I’d do it every day I would be,” Pam admitted. “Which reminds me, I’ve been meaning to talk to you about something important!”

“Okay what is it?”

“Well it’s about this fall and our moving to Dallas. I’ve done some thinking and I can’t spend all my time shopping, hanging around the pool and going to Daughters of the Alamo meetings.”

“I totally agree, have you thought about getting a new job?”

“Actually yes, but I’m not sure what I wanna work with!”

“What were you doing in LA?”

“Well at first I was really sick and then I had Rebecca to care for!”

“And then?”

“I met you!”

“You were a full-time mom?” Bobby asked in disbelief.

“Don’t look so surprised, you know how much I love kids.”

“Yes but you never spent that much time at home when Christopher was little…”

“Well things were different then…”

“Different how?”

“I wasn’t a recovering burn victim battling cancer…” Pam said sadly and Bobby made a face as he realized that he'd stepped in it. Then he sighed heavily.

“I'm sorry I wasn't thinking. Still if you weren’t working in Los Angeles why do you wanna go back to work now?”

“Because I’m totally recovered now and Rebecca’s older too, she doesn’t need me as much as before. So I figured it was about time that I’d start working again.”

“I can understand that!”

“So you’re not opposed the idea of me going back to work?”

“No of course not, I’m just happy that you and Rebecca have moved to Southfork so that we can be a family again. Then as for work have you thought about going back to work with Cliff?”

“Yes but I don’t think that’s a good idea,” Pam replied. “I mean I had quit my job at Barnes-Wentworth before the accident…”

“I remember, still maybe it would give you and Cliff a chance to catch up some if you worked together?”

“Maybe it’s just that I feel like I’m done with the oil business. I mean it doesn’t really interest me that much anymore!”

“So what are you interested in then?”

“Well I’ve always loved children,” Pam smiled.

Bobby looked at her questioningly, “You want us to have another baby?”

“No, I think we’re too old for that now and besides I am happy with the family we’ve got!”

“Me too,” Bobby agreed.

“I’m just saying that I’d like to work with something that improves the lives of children!”

“Well maybe you should get a company that sells children’s stuff then?” Bobby suggested.

“I haven’t thought about that,” Pam said thoughtfully. “But you might be on to something. I’ll think it over. Thanks Bobby,” Pam kissed Bobby briefly.

“Well I’m glad that I could help,” Bobby smiled, as he did like the idea of Pam getting a new job as it meant that he might get more work done at Ewing Oil too.

 

[Ms Southworth]

It sounds to me like you seriously need to rewatch season 9-14 (DVD) of Dallas some day. Because it seems like you've forgotten a lot of the plots then. I know you didn't like those seasons originally but I can promise you that after having watched Dallas TNT those seasons are really great when you compare them. Especially season 9-10. In fact I think season ten was one of the best ones in the entire run. I just love that season. Probably because it properly reunited Bobby and Pam.

Ironically I've watched the final four seasons of Dallas more times than the beginnings because I began to watch the show when Pam crashed into that tanker. So I've seen the whole show all the way through twice and the end four times. One time I even saw it with German dubbing!
Yet I do agree with people who say that season 1-10 were the best seasons of the show as it was never really the same after Pam left.

The thing is ... ... I don't feel a need to watch seasons of Dallas that I felt didn't live up to their true potential. Therefore, I skip straight from about Swan Song and straight to your fanfic!

We've talked about this before, but I didn't even like Bobby and Pam's personality traits and storylines during season 10! And that says a lot, doesn't it! Their unique chemistry wasn't captured like in earlier seasons! And quite frankly, the same can be said for the rest of the main cast!

Sorry you didn't like the Bobby & Pam shopping scene. You know Bobby carried the bags for April when they went shopping in Paris, so I figured it was a Bobby thing to do.

It most certainly is NOT a typical thing for Bobby to do, IMO! He loses his male masculinity and attractiveness when he does stuff like this! It's just not his "thing"!

And it wasn't Pam's "thing" to want to take her hubba shopping either! If Pam wanted company when shopping, she would bring Miss Ellie, Sue Ellen, Donna, Afton, or Jackie.

Sorry, but that's just my opinion! And I trust that you know that it's perfectly alright for us to disagree about this topic!

I guess not as this is a friendly community where people love to discuss soap operas.
Also if nobody sent me feedback on my story I wouldn't be posting it. In fact I wouldn't be posting this at all if I hadn't gotten such a positive response on the first two scenes that I posted in the "one-shot" thread even though they were not one-shots. :wink@

I just think that it's incredibly sad that some readers of your fanfic don't leave any feedback. And I cannot come up with one single argument as to why it would be okay for anyone only to send your private feedback! It doesn't go well with the whole idea of this soap chat site. The site loses out which I find extremely sad! The fun part is to share our views on various topics!

Good question...maybe I can make a screen cap from the scene at the oil baron's ball if I captured it...
Nope I've only captured the scene where Sue Ellen finds out about Cally and punches JR!
Not the one with April, Tammy and Tracey. Or "The Bobby Ewing fan club" as I think April referred to them as being members of...
So sorry no photo, but if you go to Internet Movie Data Basis and look at the episode for the Oil Baron's Ball in season 12 you should be able to see all of the cast and then just click on the woman who played Tammy. If there's no picture you can google the name. Just a tip!

Never mind, I'll be fine without a photo of Tammy! If we're talking about a character whom we'll never met again, it doesn't matter! But thanks for trying!

Just being reminded of expressions like "The Bobby Ewing Fan Club" (who April most certainly was never a member of, right? ) makes me feel physically sick. And I'm not kidding!

I have no desire to rewatch those seasons ever again! At least that's how I feel now (and how I've felt ever since the late 80's). I want to remember the good times of Dallas ... not the depressing parts! :wink@

 

[Ms Southworth]

Sorry, but I'm not a fan of the latest Bobby and Pam scene either!

They just seem to keep on nagging at each other and making endless complaints! If only the scene had had a different ending, I could have bought into all the negative dialogue! I'll get back to my alternative ending of this scene a bit later!

Why would Bobby and Pam want to go shopping for an engagement ring together? Bobby should step up and go get one himself! After all, he's known Pam for years and years and must know the kind of jewelry she likes. Again, he comes across as a bit of a wimp!

And what's this stuff about Pam complaining about not having enough clothes? Why don't they either have her wardrobe shipped to Southfork, or go to L.A. for a weekend?

Next, Bobby complains about women spending so much time shopping, hair appointments, pedicures, and manicures! Again, I have to wonder what the point of it all is!

Was Pam ever a part of the DOA? I thought that it was only Miss Ellie and Sue Ellen!

I like that Pam is considering joining the work force again! I like her as a strong and independent woman! However, I'm sad that she's written off the idea of expanding their family!

If Pam wants to work with something that improves the lives of children, how would that be possible with selling children's things? Maybe my imagination is too limited!

Okay, this is the ending that I had envisioned! As far as I see it, Bobby has spent the day tacking along while Pam shopped. Most likely not his first choice of a fun activity! Therefore, when Pam gave him a small kiss, I would have liked to see Bobby get his act together and say something like this: "Not so fast ... you had your day of fun. Now, you owe me big time! ... ... Time for some TLC!!!" And you can guess whether Pam would fight against his wishes or not! :wink@

Am I right when I'm guessing that you wrote this scene back when you were teenagers? If so, that explains a lot!

Please update soon! I need a big daily shot of this fanfic!

 

[Karin]

Thank you for the feedback on my story Ms Southworth.
I'm sorry you didn't like the last scene. I had a feeling you wouldn't like it, as you've given me many hints that you would like to see Bobby and Pam have another baby in this story so to have the subject brought up and dropped must have been somewhat disappointing to you.

I think Pam went to one or two DOA meetings but she didn't like it much, which is why she says that she can't just do that. It's not her thing.

Then as for the ring shopping, personally I see nothing wrong with a man and a woman picking out rings together. But maybe that's just me.

Actually no we didn't write this scene when we were teenagers. It's an add on scene from later on...

It most certainly is NOT a typical thing for Bobby to do, IMO! He loses his male masculinity and attractiveness when he does stuff like this! It's just not his "thing"!

Interesting opinion. So I guess that means that you think that Italian men are not masculine enough for you...Because well there are some cultures where the men don't let you carry anything!

And it wasn't Pam's "thing" to want to take her hubba shopping either! If Pam wanted company when shopping, she would bring Miss Ellie, Sue Ellen, Donna, Afton, or Jackie.

That is probably true. I guess we've never really seen Bobby and Pam out shopping on the show. So maybe it was just April he went shopping with, but after all they were on their honeymoon and abroad so maybe that's why...

I have no desire to rewatch those seasons ever again! At least that's how I feel now (and how I've felt ever since the late 80's). I want to remember the good times of Dallas ... not the depressing parts! :wink@

I can understand that, yet sometimes when you haven't watched something in let's say 10 years time it is possible that you will re-evaluate it when you rewatch it. I guess that's why I love re-watching some of my favorite show every decade or so as I always discover something new and I've noticed my opinion and ability to understand the characters sometimes change with age too.

Anyway here's tonight's update:


The man who had been following Jenna was sitting in a meeting with the chief editor of the Dallas Morning Newspaper.

“Kurt, how many times do I have to explain this to you, we want a real story. People are not interested in if the water birds have moved or that the neighbor’s cat got saved from a tree. This paper wants something juicier,” the editor explained in an annoyed tone of voice.

“I know and I’ll surprise you this time, I’ve got an amazing story for you,” Kurt said.

“So what do you have?” The editor asked.

“An article with photos of Jenna Wade,” Kurt replied.

“Jenna Wade?” The news paper man asked. “We’re talking about the Jenna Wade who is related to the Ewings right?”

“Right,” Kurt confirmed.

“Well that’s not bad, where did you get the information from?”

“It’s from a reliable source,” Kurt smiled.

“Let me have a look at the article,” the chief editor said, in a much more keen voice. Kurt handed over the article and the editor read it. “But it’s…good! In fact let’s print it in tomorrow’s evening paper.”

“Thanks sir. But I have a better idea,” Kurt smiled.

“Oh really?” The editor asked surprised. “I thought you would just be thrilled to get something published.”

“Well I am. It’s just that I was thinking that we could make this into a series.”

“I like that idea.”

“Good so I was thinking if you’ll hire me to cover Wades for a while and I’ll write the series and then we can print it in the future at a suitable time.”

“What’s wrong with tomorrow’s paper?” The editor asked. “We are going to run the article about JR Ewing and the new movie anyway.”

“Well nothing, except that I’ve heard that Jenna Wade has separated from Ray Krebbs and well if they divorce…”

“We’ll have the perfect story to go with it. I’m loving it!” The chief editor grinned thinking of all the extra copies they were going to sell with that kind of story.

“So do we have a deal?”

“Okay you’re hired!” The chief editor agreed and they shook hands on it. “Just one question, how do you get hold of all this information?”

“Oh you know a good reporter never reveals his sources,” Kurt smiled, thinking that it was a good thing for him that Lucas Krebbs was such a blabbermouth.

 

[Mrs Bobby James Ewing]

Great updates Karin! You are an amazing writer and I still enjoy reading your story daily when I have time. I have no complaints about any of the updates you posted for us this week because I enjoyed them all even though I feel sorry for Ray because he is slowly starting to realize that he, Donna, and Margaret have very different outlooks on life because of the people they socialize with on a daily basis. I hope Ray and Donna will be able to work things out and become a family with their daughter Margaret dispite their different outlooks on life and family.

 

[Miss Texas 1967]

I just think that it's incredibly sad that some readers of your fanfic don't leave any feedback. And I cannot come up with one single argument as to why it would be okay for anyone only to send your private feedback! It doesn't go well with the whole idea of this soap chat site. The site loses out which I find extremely sad! The fun part is to share our views on various topics!

Jumping in to say I do understand it in the sense that sometimes people just have nothing to say, they're very content to just read and enjoy, like you often do with books. Other times it's hard to articulate more than an "enjoying the story" comment and that can feel redundant to keep posting. Alternatively, I know for me personally I read on mobile a lot of the time, so comments are delayed, as they are when scenes are short and I wait to comment until I read thoroughly as one larger chunk rather than smaller bit scenes. I'm not so sure about forums, but in fanfic I think there will also always be a group that just lurk too, the quiet ones that may not even have an account; I know, I've been one in various places, interested enough to Google and read but not interested or confident enough to actually make comments. In my own writing I'll get 30+ individuals reading a new chapter as it's uploaded but regular feedback is often limited to about 5 individuals (shoutout @Presea @Honkytonkangel @Alexia @Mrs Bobby James Ewing

), I think to focus on the other 25 people though would be a mistake, their silence in written words isn't indicative of anything negative, at least not in my opinion, they keep coming back, something must be working. Does that make any sense? Naturally it's a better community if everyone is engaged in a conversation about a common topic, not everyone is like that in real face-to-face life or online though and I don't think a lack of engagement is always people being purposely negative or hostile.

 

[Ms Southworth]

Thank you for the feedback on my story Ms Southworth.

:bh:

I'm sorry you didn't like the last scene. I had a feeling you wouldn't like it, as you've given me many hints that you would like to see Bobby and Pam have another baby in this story so to have the subject brought up and dropped must have been somewhat disappointing to you.

You have promised that there'll be more babies in your fanfic, so I'm holding you up to that! And therefore, I still have a tiny bit of hope left that you just included the comment about Bobby and Pam being content about their current family size to "confuse" us as readers, and that there's a surprise waiting at the end of the "rainbow"!

I feel confident that Lucy will be become a mother at some point. Besides from Bobby and Pam, I can't see anyone else in the main cast becoming pregnant! But maybe that just means that Lucy will end up having twins like her parents did? At least, then you have kept your word about babies (i.e. plural) joining the storyline!

Then as for the ring shopping, personally I see nothing wrong with a man and a woman picking out rings together. But maybe that's just me.

There is nothing wrong with a couple shopping for rings together in the "real" world. But this is the world of soap operas, where there needs to be MUCH more romance than in real life!

As you already know, I was disappointed the way that you and Jenny handled the "marriage proposal", because we as readers missed out on EVERYTHING and was given no romance what so ever! And now it seems that Bobby and Pam supposedly are planning to shop for rings together. Honestly, I expect a lot of ROMANCE in a soap opera (even if it's a fanfic). Especially, when it comes to the "Romeo" and "Juliet" of "Dallas", who are now finally back together again!

Sorry, but that's just my humble opinion!

Actually no we didn't write this scene when we were teenagers. It's an add on scene from later on...

Sorry ... ... :hiding: ... I really misread that one! :bag:

Interesting opinion. So I guess that means that you think that Italian men are not masculine enough for you...Because well there are some cultures where the men don't let you carry anything!

It's not Bobby carrying things for Pam that was my problem. It was the fact that he went shopping with her. Not just for a single item, but for many, many hours!

Honestly, I don't understand women who insist on bringing their boyfriends or husbands to the mall! Generally, most men just don't enjoy it (even if it means spending time with the love of their life).

Whenever I see a man "dragged" to the mall by their better half (and trust me ... it does show that he's not really enjoying himself, but just following through to secure peace in the home), I feel so sorry for him! In cases like that, I find men to lose their masculinity and attractiveness! :wink@

I can understand that, yet sometimes when you haven't watched something in let's say 10 years time it is possible that you will re-evaluate it when you rewatch it. I guess that's why I love re-watching some of my favorite show every decade or so as I always discover something new and I've noticed my opinion and ability to understand the characters sometimes change with age too.

I do enjoy re-watching shows that I've loved for years and years. But because I still (on occasion) have nightmares about the double-digit seasons of Dallas, the Dallas movies, or Dallas TNT, I chose to stop at Swan Song (just before Bobby dies)! The glory years of Dallas is one of the greatest television memories of my life!

Right now, I'm re-watching the complete DVD collection of Little House On The Prairie with my 7 year old daughter! And I enjoy it just as much as she does!
Please update soonish, as I'm anxious to find out what's going on with MANY characters of this amazing fanfic!