Favorite Dallas Fight Scenes

[Swami]

What about JR and Ray’s tussle that caused SF to burn?
Notice after that (and a new season) that the set changed, the new hall to the bedrooms and all of a sudden we see Ms Ellie’s kitchen! Never showed it before and then a bunch of scenes happen in it.

Indeed, and another example of JR's quick thinking, reaching for the telephone to knock out Ray!

Swami

 

[Jon Ewing Jr.]

I personally loved the seen when JR through Pearce off the deck. Never liked that punk at all.

 

[Kenny Coyote]

I personally loved the seen when JR through Pearce off the deck. Never liked that punk at all.

The Sue Ellen - Nicholas Pearce storyline was pretty much what I imagine a typical soap opera would look like. They had lost most of what made Dallas distinct, with its own personality and feel by then. At times they would get it back for a little while. The range war and the tanker collision storylines were more reminiscent of earlier Dallas; they still had some of that unique Dallas flavor to them. Most of the rest of what went on Dallas in those last four years seemed almost like a whole different (somewhat generic looking) show. There was nothing generic about the early years. Even someone who didn't like it would still be able to see that Dallas had a distinct feel and style back then.

 

[Michelle Stevens]

Indeed, and another example of JR's quick thinking, reaching for the telephone to knock out Ray!

Swami

I agree, one of the better and most memorable Dallas fights..... but Ray gets knocked out by a plastic phone? What were the writers thinking?

 

[Kenny Coyote]

I agree, one of the better and most memorable Dallas fights..... but Ray gets knocked out by a plastic phone? What were the writers thinking?

The old phones were very hard plastic. You could beat the hell out of someone with one of those. I think I remember a scene from the movie "Casino" were one of the main characters used a plastic phone to beat someone half to death.

 

[Michelle Stevens]

The old phones were very hard plastic. You could beat the hell out of someone with one of those. I think I remember a scene from the movie "Casino" were one of the main characters used a plastic phone to beat someone half to death.

Of all the things to knock Ray out with in that room they chose a telephone. Were they not in the middle of construction on Southfork? Couldn't Ray have been knocked out with a two-by-four or a part of the scaffolding? Even another furnishing such as a lamp's base or being kicked into a coffee table or end table. Yeah, the phone would hurt but Ray was a cowboy.

 

[Swami]

I agree, one of the better and most memorable Dallas fights..... but Ray gets knocked out by a plastic phone? What were the writers thinking?

In one sense you are right, but then it very much followed in the vein of JR's fighting. As mentioned before his expert knocking out of one of Tom Owens' boys with a beer glass set the pattern for how JR would fight.

Swami

 

[Toni]

Of all the things to knock Ray out with in that room they chose a telephone. Were they not in the middle of construction on Southfork? Couldn't Ray have been knocked out with a two-by-four or a part of the scaffolding? Even another furnishing such as a lamp's base or being kicked into a coffee table or end table. Yeah, the phone would hurt but Ray was a cowboy.

Oh yeah. J.R. should have gone to Lucy´s bedroom and taken one of her high heel shoes. That would hurt!!

 

[Taylor Bennett Jr.]

In one sense you are right, but then it very much followed in the vein of JR's fighting. As mentioned before his expert knocking out of one of Tom Owens' boys with a beer glass set the pattern for how JR would fight.

Swami

I always thought The Dove Hunt was largely an exposition on JR's relationship with Jock, with JR's lack of a physical ruggedness being one reason why he could never truly please Jock, though that's what he wanted most in life.

What kind of "man's man" initially complains about having to go on a hunting trip, then protects his fancy watch and sits at the table while his brother and 70 year-old father battle it out with a group of men who attacked them physically? The mug smash came after Jock and Bobby and Ray did the real work - it was cute, but superfluous. Bobby and Ray rightfully tease him for it on the way out of the saloon.

Then JR has the mosquito net and full cot when they're camping in the woods as the others just sleep on the ground - an instance of the writers shouting out "this is a prissy wimp".

Interestingly, though, when it came down to it, as with the life-or-death struggles with Ray and Nicholas Pierce (and when he slapped the dastardly Jeb Ames upside the head when he threatened Bobby), if he absolutely had to, JR actually could handle himself physically better than we were led to believe over the years. He also showed courage staying behind with a wounded Jock and a shotgun, when wounded himself (although he ended up falling asleep and letting down his guard). He had some of Jock's physical toughness after all!

Just part of what made Dallas great!

Oh yeah. J.R. should have gone to Lucy´s bedroom and taken one of her high heel shoes. That would hurt!!

(hm, what's Lucy supposed to be doing in that photo? Is it part of a semi-racy Miss Young Dallas magazine feature?)

 

[Toni]

I always thought The Dove Hunt was largely an exposition on JR's relationship with Jock, with JR's lack of a physical ruggedness being one reason why he could never truly please Jock, though that's what he wanted most in life.

What kind of "man's man" initially complains about having to go on a hunting trip, then protects his fancy watch and sits at the table while his brother and 70 year-old father battle it out with a group of men who attacked them physically? The mug smash came after Jock and Bobby and Ray did the real work - it was cute, but superfluous. Bobby and Ray rightfully tease him for it on the way out of the saloon.

Then JR has the mosquito net and full cot when they're camping in the woods as the others just sleep on the ground - an instance of the writers shouting out "this is a prissy wimp".

Interestingly, though, when it came down to it, as with the life-or-death struggles with Ray and Nicholas Pierce (and when he slapped the dastardly Jeb Ames upside the head when he threatened Bobby), if he absolutely had to, JR actually could handle himself physically better than we were led to believe over the years. He also showed courage staying behind with a wounded Jock and a shotgun, when wounded himself (although he ended up falling asleep and letting down his guard). He had some of Jock's physical toughness after all!

Just part of what made Dallas great!



(hm, what's Lucy supposed to be doing in that photo? Is it part of a semi-racy Miss Young Dallas magazine feature?)

It belongs to a photo collection she did for her girlfriend in the convent, Muriel Gillis. In others she didn´t wear the shoes though...

 

[Kenny Coyote]

What kind of "man's man" initially complains about having to go on a hunting trip, then protects his fancy watch and sits at the table while his brother and 70 year-old father battle it out with a group of men who attacked them physically? The mug smash came after Jock and Bobby and Ray did the real work - it was cute, but superfluous. Bobby and Ray rightfully tease him for it on the way out of the saloon.

Then JR has the mosquito net and full cot when they're camping in the woods as the others just sleep on the ground - an instance of the writers shouting out "this is a prissy wimp".

Interestingly, though, when it came down to it, as with the life-or-death struggles with Ray and Nicholas Pierce (and when he slapped the dastardly Jeb Ames upside the head when he threatened Bobby), if he absolutely had to, JR actually could handle himself physically better than we were led to believe over the years. He also showed courage staying behind with a wounded Jock and a shotgun, when wounded himself (although he ended up falling asleep and letting down his guard). He had some of Jock's physical toughness after all!

Very interesting analysis, Guzzler! You definitely showed yet another perspective, which is what happens when the forum is at its best - we get a bunch of different perspectives. There's not much that's worse than a forum where everyone (like on the opening to King Of The Hill) just says: "Yup, yeah, yup."

My take on it is that: Bobby and Ray are naturally more athletic than JR for one thing. That's a big thing. Anyone who has played sports knows that if you don't have a certain amount of innate talent for athletics (including fighting) such as hand eye coordination, reflexes, speed and strength then no amount practice will make you great or even good.

Also, while Bobby was playing college football and Ray was being a cowboy, JR was working a desk job, so there is no reason he should be in their physical condition.

JR could and did rise to the occasion when he had to, like when he fought Nicholas Pearce, or even having the guts to tell Bobby and Ray to both go for help(when it would have been safer for him he asked only one to go) during Dove Hunt.

People have different areas in which they excel and JR concentrated on business because that was where he excelled. JR couldn't do what Ray could do but Ray couldn't do what JR could do. Bobby had the most overall gifts of all three brothers, but maybe the least dedication to focusing on developing in any specific one of them because he kept jumping from one career path to the next.

 

[Swami]

Very interesting analysis, Guzzler! You definitely showed yet another perspective, which is what happens when the forum is at its best - we get a bunch of different perspectives. There's not much that's worse than a forum where everyone (like on the opening to King Of The Hill) just says: "Yup, yeah, yup."

My take on it is that: Bobby and Ray are naturally more athletic than JR for one thing. That's a big thing. Anyone who has played sports knows that if you don't have a certain amount of innate talent for athletics (including fighting) such as hand eye coordination, reflexes, speed and strength then no amount practice will make you great or even good.

Also, while Bobby was playing college football and Ray was being a cowboy, JR was working a desk job, so there is no reason he should be in their physical condition.

JR could and did rise to the occasion when he had to, like when he fought Nicholas Pearce, or even having the guts to tell Bobby and Ray to both go for help(when it would have been safer for him he asked only one to go) during Dove Hunt.

People have different areas in which they excel and JR concentrated on business because that was where he excelled. JR couldn't do what Ray could do but Ray couldn't do what JR could do. Bobby had the most overall gifts of all three brothers, but maybe the least dedication to focusing on developing in any specific one of them because he kept jumping from one career path to the next.

Also in the showdown with Calhoun, although he had no choice, since Calhoun had kidnapped John Ross.

Swami