Gary Ewing in Dallas

Rove

Telly Talk Warrior
Jacobs was clearly not happy with how he had been treated and was not going to let them use any characters from Knots.
Is this possible? I understand David Jacobs created the characters but who owns them? Both Gary and Val were created for Dallas. Both then crossover to a new series developed by David Jacobs. Both shows were once produced by Lorimar, now owned by Warner Bros. I would have thought Warner Bros now owns all intellectual property of Dallas and Knots Landing, including characters.
 

Pamela_E

Admin Emerita
Is this possible? I understand David Jacobs created the characters but who owns them? Both Gary and Val were created for Dallas. Both then crossover to a new series developed by David Jacobs. Both shows were once produced by Lorimar, now owned by Warner Bros. I would have thought Warner Bros now owns all intellectual property of Dallas and Knots Landing, including characters.

Not according to David, he said WB could only use Val and Gary, so I gather he has the rights to the rest. I'm not sure how it works to be honest.

He did explain it on one of the interviews he did being critical of TNT's Dallas.
 

James from London

International Treasure
The scene might have seemed more authentic to me if Gary said Lucy and Miss Ellie might need her there or appreciate seeing her. I think Val's reaction to Gary seemed a little off. I think in that scene when Gary invites her, she wonders out loud to Gary and/or Lilimae why in the world Gary would think she would go back to Dallas. I just thought, uh, Val, you have a daughter there who lost her grandfather and was kidnapped a few months before and might need some comforting.
Well, working backwards, the "KNOTS in DALLAS" episode has Val staying in the same Dallas hotel as Gary and Abby while on a book signing, yet they keep narrowly missing each other and remain unaware of each other's presence until the final scene. For that narrative device to work, Val needs to be completely removed from whatever's going on at Southfork in the present (even if she does run into JR at one point). And so the viewer is left to fill in the blanks about why she doesn't even consider seeing Lucy: maybe the years they spent apart mean they can never be truly reconciled and/or Val is so devastated by the breakdown of her marriage that she cannot face any of Gary's family, including their daughter. I kind of like that it's left up in the air.
 
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Pamela_E

Admin Emerita
Impressive! I think the longest I've gone is about three or four years.

Wow, you are dedicated. Well it could be even longer, we are coming up to 10 years since the news of Dallas TNT, and it was a very long time before that I had seen it I'm sure.

There is just so much good stuff to watch now that my days over going back to old shows is kind of over sadly.

Although I would watch Knots Landing again if that was repeated.
 

Jimmy Todd

Telly Talk Mega Star
Well, working backwards, the "KNOTS in DALLAS" episode has Val staying in the same Dallas hotel as Gary and Abby while on a book signing, yet they keep narrowly missing each other and remain unaware of each other's presence until the final scene. For that narrative device to work, Val needs to be completely removed from whatever's going on at Southfork in the present (even if she does run into JR at one point). And so the viewer is left to fill in the blanks about why she doesn't even consider seeing Lucy: maybe the years they spent apart mean they can never be truly reconciled and/or Val is so devastated by the breakdown of her marriage that she cannot face any of Gary's family, including their daughter. I kind of like that it's left up in the air.
Good point. I also like that it's left unclear.
Your theory that it could be her embarrassment that Gary left her for Abby is a good one and makes a lot of sense. When JR visited KL in the same season he already knew about Gary and Valene's split, but still got a lot of pleasure out of pretending he didn't and making Val admit to it.
Maybe Val is embarrassed and also feels, hey, Lucy's an heiress. Let her visit me once in a while. Meanwhile, Lucy feels Val doesn't want to see her.
 

Billy Wall

Telly Talk Dream Maker
Why did JR want Lucy? It's been so long since I have seen Dallas I can't recall. In the early years I read the impression JR had taken on her a parent figure to her but I guess it was Ellie and Jock.

I suspect Jock and Ellie was just as much apart of the abduction of Lucy as JR was.
 

Jimmy Todd

Telly Talk Mega Star
I suspect Jock and Ellie was just as much apart of the abduction of Lucy as JR was.
It seems they too easily believed JR that Valene abandoned her. If I recall correctly, that's what he said. Miss Ellie basically admitted to Val and Gary her tacit complicity in the situation.
This is probably why Jock believed everything Lucy said and spoiled her growing up. There must have been some guilt there.
Anyway, it's one of the more fascinating back stories on Dallas.
 
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