If Dallas Had an Alexis

Karin

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Alexis Wade (played by Lesley Anne Down)
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Bobby's beautiful and vindictive ex-fiancé, who marries Jeremy Wendell and then he dies!

Have you already forgotten that Lesley Anne Down actually was on Dallas?

She portrayed Stephanie Rogers and was a real snoozefest. :(

I think Katherine Wentworth was the closest Dallas ever came to an Alexis type of character.
 

Toni

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Have you already forgotten that Lesley Anne Down actually was on Dallas?

She portrayed Stephanie Rogers and was a real snoozefest. :(

I think Katherine Wentworth was the closest Dallas ever came to an Alexis type of character.

I think most of us have forgotten all about Ms. Rogers, not because of Down but because of her nonsense subplot. Morgan Brittany herself said that Katherine appeared before (actually, only a few weeks between one and another) and established her fashion tastes before la Collins became Nolan Miller´s mannequin.

This is like the case of the egg and the chicken. "Dynasty" debuted around the time when Rebecca Wentworth made her first appearance with mansion and bouffant and all. She quickly was added to the guest cast, and the next year (the year of Alexis´s entrance) in came Kathy darling... It´s indisputable that Collins made bigger waves and headlines, and that Brittany always remained as a (great) supporting actress. I would have loved to see what Katherine might have done if they had added her to the Opening and she had been turned into a full-fledged character. Can you imagine the 3 seasons prior (or after) the Dream Season with her as the resident beech instead of the unbearable Prissy Presley? One can dream...
 

James from London

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Lesley Anne Down was great. She absolutely made the most of what she was given.
 

Seaviewer

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If she'd been casted differently and the writers wanted to go in that direction, Lucy could have gone full-on 'JR Junior'. She certainly had the motivation and quite a role model to learn from. She had a rebellious and manipulative streak early on, but they chose to have her be ditzy and unlucky in love. Imagine if they'd taken the original character - the one cavorting with Ray in the hayloft and blackmailing her teacher - and had her go forward with an IQ a good 15-20 points or more higher than what we ended up seeing.
I've always advocated the idea that Lucy should have joined Knots Landing instead of returning to Dallas, but an older Lucy with a newfound desire to learn the family business, could have been a real thorn in JR's side, and an opportunity for a real story for her for a change.
 

Kenny Coyote

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I've always advocated the idea that Lucy should have joined Knots Landing instead of returning to Dallas, but an older Lucy with a newfound desire to learn the family business, could have been a real thorn in JR's side, and an opportunity for a real story for her for a change.

I always got the impression that Lucy didn't like the oil business.

Had she come back with a desire to learn the oil business, it would have taken her a very long time to acquire the education and experience necessary to become a "thorn in JR's side." You can't start at the top. Unless the owners of the business would like to see their company driven into the ground.

JR started learning the business from Jock as a young boy and worked in the fields or wherever else Jock needed him so he'd learn the business the right way. JR also graduated from The University of Texas with a business degree. All of which is exactly why I'm so glad they never had Pam try to fight JR for control of the company, which many have stated they felt "cheated out of seeing."

In what world does a woman with only a high school education and with her only work experience being in department stores, pose any threat to one of the shrewdest, smartest, and most experienced oilmen in the business? It insults the intelligence of the audience because it's not at all believable. When Dallas was great there was always, by TV standards, a good amount of realism and believability in it. It would have made a mockery of the whole thing to present Pam as even remotely capable of fighting JR in business.

from the moment Dallas began (except Sue Ellen) I thought the women were on an equal footing with the men. Miss Ellie was never one to shy away from a heated argument with Jock or her boys. Remember the shellacking Jock and JR received from Miss Ellie when she caught Jock stating the woman's place is in the bedroom? Or her requesting demanding Ray to get the shotgun when a reporter managed to make it to the front door.

Pam stood her ground until her desire to become a mother became an obsession. Donna was one character I greatly admired for her intellect. And JR's constant physical and mental abuse of Sue Ellen eventually gave her the strength to leave the bastard.

I wholeheartedly agree. I have to wonder how someone doesn't see Pam as strong. She loved her bother very much. Yet, she married Bobby Ewing despite knowing that Cliff and Digger despised the Ewings. For all she knew, they would disown her or disassociate from her. She risked losing what few relatives she had by marrying Bobby. What a gutsy move!

Pam went through tremendous personal growth in Dallas as well. Most people aren't into personal growth because it's a painful process! Most people often don't want to have to make the mistakes that personal growth requires, so they don't grow.

Look at Pam from the time she desperately wanted a baby and had a breakdown because of it. Then look at how much she'd grown by season 8. It's tremendous! Also keep in mind she grew up without a mother because her mother abandoned her. Her father was an alcoholic. Think of what it takes to come from that kind of a childhood, and for her to become the woman she'd become by season 7 or 8. How can someone know all of this and say Pam wasn't strong??? Were they watching the same show we were watching?

As for an Alexis type on Dallas? There one and only attempt at this failed miserably with the introduction Angelica Nero.

I haven't seen Alexis except in pictures, but I'm getting the impression that she was a cross between Anjelica Nero and Katherine Wentworth. And yes, Anjelica failed miserable. Maybe characters like her were what Dynasty fans wanted, and now I'm finding out that that's what Dynasty was known for. It was a huge mistake to try to copy what Dynasty specialized in doing. By the same token, Dynasty never could have created a character in the style of JR who was as successful as the character of JR, a character which became iconic. In business if you're the innovator in the field, and Dallas, was, trying to be more like your competitors is likely to end badly, and as you stated, the experiment they did with presenting Anelica Nero did go horribly wrong.

If you become more like your competitors, you risk alienating your own audience. Dynasty was much more aimed at women than Dallas and so they had their particular audience. That it's aimed at women is why I can't get interested in it. Had Dallas gone that route, I think Dynasty would have remained the best in the field at appealing to a female audience and lots of the men in the Dallas audience would have quit watching Dallas.

However if there was a real need for a smart, devious, conniving uber-bitch the character was already in their lap...Katherine Wentworth. It was the writers/producers fault to take this character down the wrong driveway...pun intended.

If there was a need for a character who was an "uber-bitch" to become part of the main cast, Katherine would have been the one to put in that position.

I think Katherine Wentworth was the closest Dallas ever came to an Alexis type of character.

Again, I haven't watched anything with Alexis but from reading earlier posts, I had the impression that the posters who agree with the OP wanted Alexis because they thought that the show needed a strong woman, as if Dallas didn't have them already.

Well, if Alexis is like Katherine, she's anything but a strong woman. Katherine was incredibly needy, which we found out when she went after Bobby and continually threw herself at him. A strong woman would find that degrading. She'd find it beneath her to repeatedly throw herself at any man.

Katherine was also an attempted murderess. She was crazy. She was anything but stable. Mental stability is a pre-requisite for being a strong person. Without the ability to act rationally, being a strong person is impossible. So, the idea that Dallas should add a "strong woman" to its main characters and that she should have been like Alexis, who apparently was like a mix of Anjelica and Katherine, indicates that what the posters who complained that Dallas lacked strong women really meant that what Dallas lacked a crazy bitch who was part of the main cast.
 
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Seaviewer

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Had she come back with a desire to learn the oil business, it would have taken her a very long time to acquire the education and experience necessary to become a "thorn in JR's side." You can't start at the top. Unless the owners of the business would like to see their company driven into the ground.
I was thinking more in terms of the emotional side. Just being Gary and Val's daughter would mean JR wouldn't want her anywhere near his precious company. The process of acquiring the education and experience would be irritating to him in itself as she asked questions and made suggestions, sensible or not. I can't remember if Gary still owned shares in Ewing Oil at that point but if he did that would give her some sway and Miss Ellie would support her as well.
 

MarkDallasAddict

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I asked what you would do with Pam and Miss Ellie to make them what you consider "strong" because I think they were strong just as they were. What character flaws did you see in them that you would have needed to fix for them to be what you consider strong?

I was referring to the final years as set out in my earlier posts in this thread and another. By that time Pam had left. As for Miss Ellie, she showed a great deal of strength, but again she was absent for the final season. One thing I would have explored is her fighting for Southfork against some threat from say Garrison’s family. I have referred to that elsewhere so won’t bother here. To see her fighting against a Southworth would have been a new angle and revealed more of her history.

One character who has stood out from my recent re-re-watching of Season 13 is Lesley Ann Down, I thought her performance was flawless, it was a shame her character succumbed to JR so early, she would have been great to have in a bigger role for a lot longer.

I have now started season 14 for the n’th time and it is so sad to see how April was diluted towards the end of the 13th and early 14th seasons. I know she was pregnant and wanted to leave, but couldn’t they have had her kidnapped or something?

Something else from season 13 has just come to mind but its off topic so will post elsewhere shortly.
 

Jimmy Todd

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I think the powers that be behind Dallas were a tad to sexist to ever have a woman be too strong. Strong, but never more so than JR and Bobby.
Donna consistently displayed strength and intelligence, but they usually kept her out of JR's orbit.
The other strong females were always
having breakdowns or needing to be sedated. Even Pam's reaction to waking up from the "dream." She was so upset she actually needed Bobby to reassure her it was all a dream, as if she was a child.
Valene was always dismissed as weak, but she stood up to JR in her scenes on Dallas, and he threatened to have her killed.
Jamie stood up to JR and never seemed to back down, and they punished her for that by killing her....twice!
 

Kenny Coyote

Telly Talk Star
I think the powers that be behind Dallas were a tad to sexist to ever have a woman be too strong.

Check out Yellowstone. It's the best TV series today and it has just the kind of female character you're looking for: Kelly Reilly is amazing Beth Dutton, the daughter of John Dutton (played by Kevin Costner).

Beth Dutton is as strong a female character as you could want. She's one of a kind and she's great!

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