If You Were Gary, Would All The Love You Had For Jock Be Gone After The Stipulation He Put In The Will?

[Jimmy Todd]

Valene and Pam were the only ones who hated JR without being hypocritical, all the others hated JR but could be just as shady as he was.

I would include Donna in that list.
Also, as I have said before, I believe JR had such hatred for Pam, Valene and Donna was because they were the only ones he couldn't corrupt or beguile with his charm. He tried to bribe/blackmail all three, but it didn't work. He had to resort to basically cowardly bully tactics with Valene.

 

[Jock Ewing Fan]

Valene and Pam were the only ones who hated JR without being hypocritical, all the others hated JR but could be just as shady as he was.

Pam wasn't exactly a model of virtue.

Dumped Ray for Bobby. Garnett McGee even remarked that Pam traded up from Ray, when confronted about JR.

Wasn't Lucy telling Pam about how Ewings use people and that Pam was doing the same?

Stole John Ross from Southfork and gave him to Sue Ellen - she had no right, and JR was right to be angry, it was not Pam's business.

Put immense pressure on Bobby by opposing him in the battle for Ewing Oil, blaming him unjustly for Rebecca's death,
instead of talking to her husband, expressing her disagreement, and try to work out a solution like a mature person.

Lectured Bobby about how Jenna wasn't right for him when she was going with Mark Graison.

Tried to take Jenna 's baby away from her!

Abandoned her husband and son because of her vanity, not giving them a chance to support her.

Pam was a whiny self-obsessed woman

 

[Jock Ewing Fan]

Then he should have put in the same stipulation with Ray.

I am nty sure. Ray had flaws, and he could be volatile, but he surely had a better work ethic than Gary

 

[Mustard]

Pam wasn't exactly a model of virtue.

Dumped Ray for Bobby. Garnett McGee even remarked that Pam traded up from Ray, when confronted about JR.

I get the impression that Ray and Pam was a casual relationship and possibly over by the time that she was with Bobby, although the Ray/Pam relationship was recent by the time of the start of the series. Lucy did remark later that she had noticed that Pam had been getting acquainted with Bobby during one of the balls that Ray had brought Pam to.

Wasn't Lucy telling Pam about how Ewings use people and that Pam was doing the same?

Don't these dynamics exist in every family?

Put immense pressure on Bobby by opposing him in the battle for Ewing Oil, blaming him unjustly for Rebecca's death,

Was she wrong about wanting to stop the battle? I don't think so.

instead of talking to her husband, expressing her disagreement, and try to work out a solution like a mature person.

That was all done before the battle had started, when Pam and Miss Ellie wanted the battle to be stopped before it had started.

Lectured Bobby about how Jenna wasn't right for him when she was going with Mark Graison.

LOL.

I am noy sure. Ray had flaws, and he could be volatile, but he surely had a better work ethic than Gary

Ray's work ethic is his biggest strength. Gary is leisurely unless he really, really wants something. I've mentioned before about Ray's flaws on the other hand, i.e. his issues with his self-esteem and how guilt, pride and shame could eat him up, while Gary didn't dwell on failures for too long before moving forward. That land deal that Ray did was particularly bad, where he invested heavily without doing the proper preparations first, the land turned out not to be stable, Ray felt ashamed having to ask Miss Ellie to help him out. Then there was some sort of problem at the bank because of J.R.'s schemes against Farlows and the collateral he had used for huge loans. After Miss Ellie had sorted it all out and had access to the money, Ray had sold out at a massive financial loss. I think this is a bigger disaster than even Gary could have done at his worst, including the 1992 Tidal Energy scheme on Knots Landing where Gary blew his fortune and was back to being like he was financially when Jock was still alive.

 

[Toni]

Pam wasn't exactly a model of virtue.

Dumped Ray for Bobby. Garnett McGee even remarked that Pam traded up from Ray, when confronted about JR.

Wasn't Lucy telling Pam about how Ewings use people and that Pam was doing the same?

Stole John Ross from Southfork and gave him to Sue Ellen - she had no right, and JR was right to be angry, it was not Pam's business.

Put immense pressure on Bobby by opposing him in the battle for Ewing Oil, blaming him unjustly for Rebecca's death,
instead of talking to her husband, expressing her disagreement, and try to work out a solution like a mature person.

Lectured Bobby about how Jenna wasn't right for him when she was going with Mark Graison.

Tried to take Jenna 's baby away from her!

Abandoned her husband and son because of her vanity, not giving them a chance to support her.

Pam was a whiny self-obsessed woman

 

[Jock Ewing Fan]

If you disagree with me, I would appreciate a reasoned response instead of mere emojis. I thought that a reply required a written response
What is with this hide emoji?
We are probably not having a disagree emoji but this hide is being used?

 

[Jock Ewing Fan]

I get the impression that Ray and Pam was a casual relationship and possibly over by the time that she was with Bobby, although the Ray/Pam relationship was recent by the time of the start of the series. Lucy did remark later that she had noticed that Pam had been getting acquainted with Bobby during one of the balls that Ray had brought Pam to.


Don't these dynamics exist in every family?


Was she wrong about wanting to stop the battle? I don't think so.


That was all done before the battle had started, when Pam and Miss Ellie wanted the battle to be stopped before it had started.


LOL.


Ray's work ethic is his biggest strength. Gary is leisurely unless he really, really wants something. I've mentioned before about Ray's flaws on the other hand, i.e. his issues with his self-esteem and how guilt, pride and shame could eat him up, while Gary didn't dwell on failures for too long before moving forward. That land deal that Ray did was particularly bad, where he invested heavily without doing the proper preparations first, the land turned out not to be stable, Ray felt ashamed having to ask Miss Ellie to help him out. Then there was some sort of problem at the bank because of J.R.'s schemes against Farlows and the collateral he had used for huge loans. After Miss Ellie had sorted it all out and had access to the money, Ray had sold out at a massive financial loss. I think this is a bigger disaster than even Gary could have done at his worst, including the 1992 Tidal Energy scheme on Knots Landing where Gary blew his fortune and was back to being like he was financially when Jock was still alive.

I disagree with almost all of what you said,
I still think Pam is a whiny, self-obsessed character

 

[Jimmy Todd]

Valene and Pam were the only ones who hated JR without being hypocritical, all the others hated JR but could be just as shady as he was.

I would include Donna in that list.
Also, as I have said before, I believe JR had such hatred for Pam, Valene and Donna was because they were the only ones he couldn't corrupt or beguile with his charm. He tried to bribe/blackmail all three, but it didn't work. He had to resort to basically cowardly bully tactics with Valene.

 

[Jimmy Todd]

Pam wasn't exactly a model of virtue.

Dumped Ray for Bobby. Garnett McGee even remarked that Pam traded up from Ray, when confronted about JR.

Wasn't Lucy telling Pam about how Ewings use people and that Pam was doing the same?

Stole John Ross from Southfork and gave him to Sue Ellen - she had no right, and JR was right to be angry, it was not Pam's business.

Put immense pressure on Bobby by opposing him in the battle for Ewing Oil, blaming him unjustly for Rebecca's death,
instead of talking to her husband, expressing her disagreement, and try to work out a solution like a mature person.

Lectured Bobby about how Jenna wasn't right for him when she was going with Mark Graison.

Tried to take Jenna 's baby away from her!

Abandoned her husband and son because of her vanity, not giving them a chance to support her.

Pam was a whiny self-obsessed woman

I disagree with your last point. Pam had to have been completely traumatized by that horrific accident that she couldn't have been on her right mind. How could anyone be expected to make a rational decision after something like that? I blame Bobby for not going after her knowing she needs medical and psychological help, and could not be held 100% accountable for her actions in that situation. I also blame Miss Ellie, Sue Ellen and Ray for not visiting her in the hospital and show some support for her.
In the story in my head, when JR heard Katherine had visited Bobby in the hospital, he had her found and threatened to turn her over to the police if she didn't spirit Pam away so JR could finally be rid of that "Barnes woman." On NuDallas, Katherine is back and threatens JR that she'll tell Bobby what really happened to Pam. That's my contribution to Dallas.

 

[Billy Wall]

I also blame Miss Ellie, Sue Ellen and Ray for not visiting her in the hospital and show some support for her.

I’m pretty sure Bobby told everyone not to go to the hospital.

 

[Jimmy Todd]

I’m pretty sure Bobby told everyone not to go to the hospital.

Still, they didn't really seem to care too much. Sue Ellen even went to visit Wes Parmalee knowimg how the family felt about him.

 

[Jimmy Todd]

I’m pretty sure Bobby told everyone not to go to the hospital.

Still, they didn't really seem to care too much. Sue Ellen even went to visit Wes Parmalee knowimg how the family felt about him.

 

[Toni]

If you disagree with me, I would appreciate a reasoned response instead of mere emojis. I thought that a reply required a written response
What is with this hide emoji?
We are probably not having a disagree emoji but this hide is being used?

Sorry but I don´t do passive-agressive and prefer to show my education by using just an emo. Anything I can say about your post would be offensive to you because you´d probably re-act even worse than with my emos. Peace for the world!

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[Jock Ewing Fan]

Sorry but I don´t do passive-agressive and prefer to show my education by using just an emo. Anything I can say about your post would be offensive to you because you´d probably re-act even worse than with my emos. Peace for the world!

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I think there has been a misunderstanding.

Usually, I like your postings. I have no ill will toward you at all.

I don't understand your correlation between emojis and education.
Personally, I prefer reasoned debate with words, maybe I am old-fashioned.
One of the world's major problems is a lack of reasoned communication.
I don't understand how emojis further reasoned debate.

I would prefer an emoji that indicates "disagree", I would respect it, but
the current message board consensus seems opposed to such.

I will acknowledge that it was not your intention, but I do find such emojis dismissive, condescending and passive aggressive.

You are entitled your opinion and I am entitled to mine.
Personally, I never liked Pam and Miss Ellie, never did and never will.

I wish you well, and it is my hope that we can share many positive exchanges.

 

[Barbara Fan]

I dont think that Gary had a lot of love for Jock in the 1st place - given how he was treated by Jock and JR in the past and the back history we came to know about

and Jock wasnt a saint either - relating to family/being faithful or "bidness" deals and using the 3 Bs

 

[Toni]

I think there has been a misunderstanding.

Usually, I like your postings. I have no ill will toward you at all.

I don't understand your correlation between emojis and education.
Personally, I prefer reasoned debate with words, maybe I am old-fashioned.
One of the world's major problems is a lack of reasoned communication.
I don't understand how emojis further reasoned debate.

I would prefer an emoji that indicates "disagree", I would respect it, but
the current message board consensus seems opposed to such.

I will acknowledge that it was not your intention, but I do find such emojis dismissive, condescending and passive aggressive.

You are entitled your opinion and I am entitled to mine.
Personally, I never liked Pam and Miss Ellie, never did and never will.

I wish you well, and it is my hope that we can share many positive exchanges.

Don´t worry, everything´s ok. Not everybody can read these forums on their pc, I usually read them on my cell and it´s hard to write on a small screen. Anyway, up there is highlighted my disagreement about emojis. I don´t like them when I talk about serious subjects, but this is a forum that supposedly is for fun (at least the Dallas one). But I do really understand this dumb clash we had. I always had a soft spot, as you know, for both Pam and Miss Ellie. I just don´t get the bad report these two suddenly have. Back in the 80s they represented the good people on TV, and now there is a tendency to look at them as two b*****s, or little less. Of course we can share opinions, take a bourbon on me!!
PS: Also please forgive if I may make some grammar mistakes, English is my third language and I may make a lot if I write fast in my pc (as right now). Take care and have a great weekend!

 

[CeeCee72]

Valene and Pam were the only ones who hated JR without being hypocritical, all the others hated JR but could be just as shady as he was.

And run back to his side to support him whenever they could benefit from his schemes.

 

[Jimmy Todd]

And run back to his side to support him whenever they could benefit from his schemes.

What are some examples you have of that?

 

[CeeCee72]

What are some examples you have of that?

Cliff worked with JR twice I can think of off the top of my head (to keep Pam and Bobby apart and in a business deal +maybe something to do with Weststar, can't remember).

Bobby was often at least a little complicit in JR's schemes for the sake of Ewing Oil. The one that jumps out at me is how he tried to help cover up the BD Calhoun mess).

Ray sides with JR once or twice. Can't remember a lot of details right now but remember it annoyed me.

And Sue Ellen...well, Sue Ellen basically whenever she and JR were reconciled.

 

[Billy Wall]

Cliff worked with JR twice I can think of off the top of my head (to keep Pam and Bobby apart and in a business deal +maybe something to do with Weststar, can't remember).

Bobby was often at least a little complicit in JR's schemes for the sake of Ewing Oil. The one that jumps out at me is how he tried to help cover up the BD Calhoun mess).

Ray sides with JR once or twice. Can't remember a lot of details right now but remember it annoyed me.

And Sue Ellen...well, Sue Ellen basically whenever she and JR were reconciled.

I think Jimmy Todd meant examples of Pam and Donna siding with JR when it was beneficial to them.