Joan Crawford: The Warner Brothers Era

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It's not 1906.

Joan has as many "birth years" as Pam Ewing. Crawford's birth year has been listed as 1903, 1904, 1905, 1906, and her preferred public date of 1908. And there's always "proof" that these dates are/aren't factual.

Judy Johns quotes her teacher, Nelle Sliter, "from Crawford as a client" for the date 23 March 1903 and time 10 pm.

Christina quotes another astrologer for 1904. If it is 1904, that would make Joan and Bette both Sun in Aries/Scorpio Rising/Moon in Gemini (which would make the two women even more similar than they already were).

So Crawford was even telling her astrologers two different things.

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Where's the Joan Crawford post-Silent pre-Box Office Poison MGM Era thread? I assume @ClassyCo has made one.

It's beside the post-TROG thread; it features only the "Dear Joan, We're Going to Scare You to Death" episode of SIXTH SENSE and a couple of her talks show appearances, but it's important to discuss these things.

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THE POST-TROG YEARS

I saw this when it first aired -- my mother announced that Joan Crawford was going to be on this series. (I'm not sure I knew who Crawford was in 1972, but I'd heard of her). And I remember her telling this little story to Gary Collins:

 

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Where's the Joan Crawford post-Silent pre-Box Office Poison MGM Era thread? I assume @ClassyCo has made one.
Oh, so a nod to the numerous Marilyn Monroe threads I've started?


It's beside the post-TROG thread; it features only the "Dear Joan, We're Going to Scare You to Death" episode of SIXTH SENSE and a couple of her talks show appearances, but it's important to discuss these things.
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(Crazy that there were/are people who claim she couldn't act when you see the number of emotions in her eyes in a split second.)

Yes, I think one of the reasons some of Joan's performances have aged better than some of Bette's is that Bette's bitchy bravura tends to be one-note -- literally, one-note, in that Bette's vocal intonation tends to be high-pitched and nasally.

But Crawford knew, and recommended to other young actresses, that you need -- especially as a woman -- to drop your vocals down, at least here-and-there, to deeper levels in order to keep the audience listening; otherwise, 24/7 higher-pitched warbling will cause the viewer not to take you seriously.

It makes you seem more in-the-moment, more engaged. As a result, Bette Davis was often more-mannered and felt more on-automatic in a way Crawford was never really guilty.

This was also partly due to Joan's sense of being inferior to Bette (and Bette being in agreement). Joan was often trying to get Bette's approval and acknowledgement because Bette was one of the only women in Hollywood who had superior status over Joan, and Bette always rebuffed Joan for exactly the same reason.

But Bette was resting on her own laurels, sometimes phoning it in -- and phoning it in with that high-pitched nasal streak. While Crawford, goddess bless her, didn't do that.

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I recall reading someone suggest that Chaplin was unfortunate to live long enough to see his position challenged and possibly usurped by Buster Keaton; that while Chaplin's work is rooted in the Victorian era, Keaton's feels timeless and even modern.

I suppose Davis is lucky that she didn't live long enough for her and Joan's reputations reassessed.

Edit: Not that I think Davis' reputation has declined -- even if I personally think she's been overrated -- but I think Bette would be very resentful to find out Joan is no longer only seen as a glamorous dummy or a child beating monster. Davis seemed inordinately proud that her reputation was supreme. (She probably resented Hepburn's late career surge, but Kate always seemed blithely unaware of competition anyway.)
 
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Speaking of Mothers' Day, I was watching a Season 6 DALLAS clip a moment ago on Facebook with Miss Ellie yelling at JR in the Southfork living room, and then I looked to my right and Bel Geddes is sobbing away in I REMEMBER MAMA on the television.

I felt a bolt of electricity and a yin-yang paradoxical duality surge and then Donna Reed screamed in the background someplace.

It was like a sign to me that Crawford should have indeed played twins, maybe twice like Bette did, where Joan would slap Cliff Barnes yet another time as she did on SECRET STORM.

Otherwise, I don't know what any of this means.


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