Joan Crawford: The Warner Brothers Era

Willie Oleson

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I haven't seen that many JC films but HARIET CRAIG looks pretty decent and it's the kind of melodrama that still worked in the 1980s soaps.

QUEEN BEE is HARIET CRAIG on steroids, it's horrible, doesn't make any sense and it's no fun at all.
At the very least, STRAIT-JACKET has some cult value.
 

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I haven't seen that many JC films but HARIET CRAIG looks pretty decent and it's the kind of melodrama that still worked in the 1980s soaps.

QUEEN BEE is HARIET CRAIG on steroids, it's horrible, doesn't make any sense and it's no fun at all.
At the very least, STRAIT-JACKET has some cult value.

Well, QUEEN BEE is a bad film...
 

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QUEEN BEE is one of those films that some fans claim to love as "camp" or "so bad it's good", but the appeal of those films is always lost on me. I've never found ineptitude to be entertaining and QUEEN BEE is an inept film. The idea of QUEEN BEE is better than the actuality of QUEEN BEE. The idea of Joan as a bitch dominating her family seems like a great premise for a soapy melodrama -- I mean, that's just FALCON CREST twenty-five years early, right? -- but the movie just isn't good.
 

Willie Oleson

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QUEEN BEE is one of those films that some fans claim to love as "camp" or "so bad it's good", but the appeal of those films is always lost on me
The original meaning of camp was intentionally flamboyant and exaggerated.
I don't know when it changed to unintentional, or why, and then after a while they started to stage/fake that unintentional camp which is absolutely the worst.

Awesomely bad films exist and the appeal is not just in the ineptitude (like most bad films) but also in the complete lack of awareness of how bad it is.
Untalented people with enough money to fund a film, combined with the delusional approach to what makes a film a good film (or just watchable) often results in hilarious overacting and all kinds of shoddy techniques.
Obviously, these are not the kind of conditions you'd expect to see in a Joan Crawford or any typical Hollywood film, and when it happens it's mostly just disappointing.
The idea of Joan as a bitch dominating her family seems like a great premise for a soapy melodrama -- I mean, that's just FALCON CREST twenty-five years early, right?
Angela Channing has the leverage, Eva Phillips has not. It's not her mill, she's just an in-law with a bad attitude. It's the equivalent of Sue Ellen terrorising the Ewings based on a "just because" premise.
Not once did I get the impression that she actually had any kind of power, she doesn't even blackmail any of the characters.
There's a blink and you'll miss it suicide but perhaps it was better to ignore it because the reason for that suicide is seriously questionable.
Lovely cousin Jennifer with the squeaky voice is top level hateable. I wanted Joan to stamp her to death.
It's just failure on top of failure and it goes on and on.
 

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The original meaning of camp was intentionally flamboyant and exaggerated.
I don't know when it changed to unintentional, or why, and then after a while they started to stage/fake that unintentional camp which is absolutely the worst.

Susan Sontag?

It's the equivalent of Sue Ellen terrorising the Ewings based on a "just because" premise.

Yes. It is. 39 years later. Once Sue Ellen threw off the "I'm-a-nice-person" crap and unleashed the uber-bitch she really was!
 

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At the very least, STRAIT-JACKET has some cult value.

That doesn't salvage it either.

Honestly, the only problem I have with either QUEEN BEE and STRAIT-JACKET -- and it's a big problem -- is the direction. Direction is a big deal, and Ranald McDougall and William Castle simply were not up to the task. (McDougall had never directed before, and B-movie maestro Castle gave C-level direction for the axe-murder movie).

I don't even blame the scripts so much (although Robert Bloch wasn't really a screenwriter, known mostly for the book version of PSYCHO, and ends too many STRAIT-JACKET scenes with lines like, "You understand -- don't you....?"). The direction for these pictures is just hapless, while Joan, naturally, directs herself -- and very well.

The casts don't really need mush adjustment. Just tighter direction. (And, obviously, a different cameraman for STRAIT-JACKET, as the photography is appalling).


"I forgot why I came in here...."
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We're not on the same wavelength here but that's all right.

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