Jock lets rip and J.R. is told off.

[Jock Og]

When Jock lost the bap he was quite often scary. However in this particular scene he is funny. So here is a classic Jim Davis scene as Jock, with the Ewing banker and the two boys:

Jock, Bobby and Ray are rounding up a herd of cattle, in one of the Southfork fields. Jock notices that something is wrong, (a scene from season 2; DVD-3, 1979 - '80):

Bobby: "Daddy I found a dead cow, up at the Braddock county line. Looks like screw-worm."

Jock: "Well that one has got screw-worm, that's for sure. If we don't take care of it fast we are liable to have an epidemic, on our hands. What about those Ray, they alright?"

Ray: "I found one in there, with screw-worm Jock."

Bobby: "We had better ride every posse. Take a look at every herd, in the morning."

Jock: "Good idea Bobby! We sure have a lot of ground to cover."

 

[Billy Wall]

Jock is a hard one to figure out. At this time in his life, he showed great compassion. 20 or 30 years earlier, he’d probably be right there with JR and Bobby.

Everything JR is, he is because he learned it from Jock. Even Jock said that he taught him everything he knows. He just didn’t teach him how to back off, which was the previously episode I believe.

 

[bmasters9]

Everything JR is, he is because he learned it from Jock. Even Jock said that he taught him everything he knows. He just didn’t teach him how to back off, which was the previously episode I believe.

That is correct-- "Ellie Saves The Day."

 

[Luke_Krebbs_Ewing]

Here's an occasion when Jock let rip!

Well, it depends on your point of view.

And whether or not you believe who Wes is!

When you're watching this , look how Wes is lined up with the portrait of Jock on the wall!

Watch closely as there is an indication of who Wes really is.

 

[DallasFanForever]

Whether he was Jock or not, I do love that scene. It’s so extremely well written. J.R. and Bobby standing there with Jock’s portrait right between them while Wes is staring back at them in line with the portrait is very powerful. Very well done!

 

[stevew]

To me in Dallas 2012 it was Jock’s character who was missing, a tough guy who made his fortune and took charge. He was gone for a great many years in the original run, but his ghost was there, until it wasn’t and the show was running on fumes. They’d have been smart to look at more of his scenes imo.

 

[Luke_Krebbs_Ewing]

Whether he was Jock or not, I do love that scene. It’s so extremely well written. J.R. and Bobby standing there with Jock’s portrait right between them while Wes is staring back at them in line with the portrait is very powerful. Very well done!

Yeah but it's actually the moment before it, just before JR and Bobby position themselves either side of the portrait. Wes is perfectly positioned in front of Jock's portrait as he spins around after JR calls out to him. That's the first indication that Wes was intended to be Jock before they later changed their minds.

 

[stevew]

Yeah but it's actually the moment before it, just before JR and Bobby position themselves either side of the portrait. Wes is perfectly positioned in front of Jock's portrait as he spins around after JR calls out to him. That's the first indication that Wes was intended to be Jock before they later changed their minds.

I think they read the room, the audience didn’t want a new face for Jock. Wish they’d been that tuned in when they sought a new face for Miss Ellie.

 

[Chris2]

Regarding Wes being Jock.

"No that was not a possibility, anymore than it was our intention to bring back Patrick as his twin brother, which we joked about. No, Jock was there; that painting of him was virtually there in every episode and how could you do that? We would not do that and it certainly would not serve him. The character of Jock remained in Dallas all the way through. So insinuations that Wes was Jock were there, but there was never any intention to do that, no."

David Paulsen
Dallas writer/producer

 

[Luke_Krebbs_Ewing]

I also don't recall Jock breaking wind on the show. However I do recall JR saying that Cliff was full of hot air!

 

[Jock Og]

Is Wes really Jock or not was a dangling to the viewers of a sensational carrot. The Big D had been toppled off the ratings top spot by DYNASTY in 1984 - '85 mainly due to the Moldavian Massacre and then the following year DALLAS was a complete fantasy, as dictated by the 1985 - '86 cliffhanger. Season 9 (DVD-10) was the last strong season of the oil and cattle based eighties prime time almighty. Steve Forrest was a fine actor and would have been a magnificent asset, in the show's twilight years. Not as Jock though; despite the clever storyline, the evidence presented to us and then the wrap up of Wyatt Haines (Wes) befriending Jock in South America plus listening to him spilling the beans about his family, when he had the high fever.

When I joined the Ultimate Dallas forum over 21 years ago I suggested in a post about 'Wes being Jock' that he should really have been Jock's brother Jason (father to Jamie and Jack). There was too much water under the bridge creatively speaking; when matriarch Ellie changed faces in DVD-8, then back again to her original self in DVD-9 and to top it all off the credibility waned for many viewers at the end of this particular year, when Bobby turned up alive and well in Pam's shower. She had just had 'forty winks' from the DVD-8 hit and run to the explosion in the Ewing building, towards the end of DVD-9. Yes that particular season of DALLAS was all one big DREAM!

Steve Forrest as Ben Stivers / Jock imposter Wyatt Haines aka Wes Parmalee


J.R. is waiting out the back of Southfork for his mama Ellie, after her night out. Jock's imposter Wes romanced her around DALLAS; in a horse and carriage, (a scene from season 9; DVD-10, 1986 - '87):

Ellie appears in the foyer. Her temper is up and J.R. is not helping matters.

Ellie: "I don't believe you were waiting out back for me, to get home."

J.R.: "I'm not going to have you making a fool of yourself."

Ellie goes up the stairs: "How dare you!"

J.R.: "Mama you're going too far."

Ellie is cross with him: "I've told you to stop interfering in my life!"

J.R.: "I cannot believe that my own mother would be seen in public with that man. Dating him for god's sake and in a horse and buggy."

Ellie: "How do you know?"

J.R.: "I'm I wrong?"

Ellie: "You're having me followed? Have you no respect for anyone's privacy?"

She bangs her fist, on the staircase handrail.

J.R. barks: "I'm not having you followed. I'm having him followed because I want to know what that charlatan is up to. Do you have any idea how you are hurting this family?"

Ellie walks up the stairs, looks down and strips her teeth at her eldest: "Don't you talk to me like that J.R.!"

J.R. is now like the devil: "That man is tearing this family apart and you're helping him, to do it. Bobby and I were serious the other day. There is a time coming, when you have to choose between him and the rest of us."

J.R. walks off to the back. He leaves Ellie pondering, about what he said.

 

[Seaviewer]

I suggested in a post about 'Wes being Jock' that he should really have been Jock's brother Jason

Where would you have seen it going from there? It had already been established that Jason had no claim on Ewing Oil so I don't see what his return would have added in drama terms.

 

[tommie]

Jock is a hard one to figure out. At this time in his life, he showed great compassion. 20 or 30 years earlier, he’d probably be right there with JR and Bobby.

Everything JR is, he is because he learned it from Jock. Even Jock said that he taught him everything he knows. He just didn’t teach him how to back off, which was the previously episode I believe.

Absolutely. I think the main difference between Jock and JR was that Jock knew what it was like to grow up poor and fighting to get out of that - towards the end of his life he probably did get a bit softer and had some regrets over people he screwed over in the past. JR on the other hand was Jock without any conscience and only cared about things that affected JR, screw everyone else.

 

[Jock Og]

Where would you have seen it going from there? It had already been established that Jason had no claim on Ewing Oil so I don't see what his return would have added in drama terms.

Yeah I'm aware that the partnership between Jock, Willard 'Digger' and Jason was dissolved. Subsequently Jock bought their shares. Although Jason was Jock's older brother I still believe Steve could have played him, albeit with the addition of aging prosthetics. He was supposed to have died in 1984, as we learned when Jamie showed up in DVD-8.

In my alternative Jason faked his death, in order to avoid a roughing up and perhaps a worse action by some good ole' boys, who were involved in a lucrative oil deal with him. Jock's brother done a dirty need by hood winking them, they lost out massively and he made a killing. The estranged Ewing turns up in Dallas for DVD-10, after traveling the world as Wes Parmalee. He is a very wealthy oil man, maybe even more so than J.R. and also keeps his hand in ranching. Ellie becomes attracted to Steve's character, as he can charm the birds out of the trees. Unbeknown to her Jason is a villain, plotting to take over the coveted Ewing Oil in a hostile takeover and boney Jeremy Wendell is in on the action too.


The stage is set for an almighty showdown between Wes, Ray and Bobby. This happens early on in the 'Is Wes really Jock' storyline. It is late at night and the brothers are outside the motel, where the cowboy is staying, (a scene from season 9; DVD-10, 1986-'87):

Ellie has told the family what Wes relayed to her, about himself. Ray and Bobby confront Parmalee, in his motel room. The elderly ranch foreman says Bobby always had a fierce wild temper but that he won't hit a man his age. The youngest Ewing son wants the man who claims to be his daddy out of Dallas tonight.

Wes: "I never really figured you'd believe me! Well maybe you're right. Maybe it's better if I do leave. I've been alone for the last 4 years it can't be any worse than it has been." (He raises his voice, when he says this).

Bobby: "Well you are right, about one thing. I don't believe you and the sooner you get out of here, the better it is going to be for everybody."

Bobby walks past him and leaves the motel room. Ray is still there.

Wes: "Is that what you think Ray?"

Ray: "Does it matter to you what I think?"

Wes: "It matters what all my boys think."

Ray: "Are you leaving?"

Wes: "Why, don't you want me to?"

Ray: "I'm pretty sure I know what Jock would've done. I'm kinda curious to see if you'll do the same thing."

Ray gives Wes a dirty look, before he up sticks back home.

What is Wes going to do next?

 

[stevew]

Yeah I'm aware that the partnership between Jock, Willard 'Digger' and Jason was dissolved. Subsequently Jock bought their shares. Although Jason was Jock's older brother I still believe Steve could have played him, albeit with the addition of aging prosthetics. He was supposed to have died in 1984, as we learned when Jamie showed up in DVD-8.

In my alternative Jason faked his death, in order to avoid a roughing up and perhaps a worse action by some good ole' boys, who were involved in a lucrative oil deal with him. Jock's brother done a dirty need by hood winking them, they lost out massively and he made a killing. The estranged Ewing turns up in Dallas for DVD-10, after traveling the world as Wes Parmalee. He is a very wealthy oil man, maybe even more so than J.R. and also keeps his hand in ranching. Ellie becomes attracted to Steve's character, as he can charm the birds out of the trees. Unbeknown to her Jason is a villain, plotting to take over the coveted Ewing Oil in a hostile takeover and boney Jeremy Wendell is in on the action too.


The stage is set for an almighty showdown between Wes, Ray and Bobby. This happens early on in the 'Is Wes really Jock' storyline. It is late at night and the brothers are outside the motel, where the cowboy is staying, (a scene from season 9; DVD-10, 1986-'87):

Ellie has told the family what Wes relayed to her, about himself. Ray and Bobby confront Parmalee, in his motel room. The elderly ranch foreman says Bobby always had a fierce wild temper but that he won't hit a man his age. The youngest Ewing son wants the man who claims to be his daddy out of Dallas tonight.

Wes: "I never really figured you'd believe me! Well maybe you're right. Maybe it's better if I do leave. I've been alone for the last 4 years it can't be any worse than it has been." (He raises his voice, when he says this).

Bobby: "Well you are right, about one thing. I don't believe you and the sooner you get out of here, the better it is going to be for everybody."

Bobby walks past him and leaves the motel room. Ray is still there.

Wes: "Is that what you think Ray?"

Ray: "Does it matter to you what I think?"

Wes: "It matters what all my boys think."

Ray: "Are you leaving?"

Wes: "Why, don't you want me to?"

Ray: "I'm pretty sure I know what Jock would've done. I'm kinda curious to see if you'll do the same thing."

Ray gives Wes a dirty look, before he up sticks back home.

What is Wes going to do next?

I like it. Give JR a chance to transition from hated son to strong patriarch and could have brought in other cousins, Jason’s family, younger villains to be hated, to set up the next round of drama.

 

[Luke_Krebbs_Ewing]

Yeah I'm aware that the partnership between Jock, Willard 'Digger' and Jason was dissolved. Subsequently Jock bought their shares. Although Jason was Jock's older brother I still believe Steve could have played him, albeit with the addition of aging prosthetics. He was supposed to have died in 1984, as we learned when Jamie showed up in DVD-8.

In my alternative Jason faked his death, in order to avoid a roughing up and perhaps a worse action by some good ole' boys, who were involved in a lucrative oil deal with him. Jock's brother done a dirty need by hood winking them, they lost out massively and he made a killing. The estranged Ewing turns up in Dallas for DVD-10, after traveling the world as Wes Parmalee. He is a very wealthy oil man, maybe even more so than J.R. and also keeps his hand in ranching. Ellie becomes attracted to Steve's character, as he can charm the birds out of the trees. Unbeknown to her Jason is a villain, plotting to take over the coveted Ewing Oil in a hostile takeover and boney Jeremy Wendell is in on the action too.


The stage is set for an almighty showdown between Wes, Ray and Bobby. This happens early on in the 'Is Wes really Jock' storyline. It is late at night and the brothers are outside the motel, where the cowboy is staying, (a scene from season 9; DVD-10, 1986-'87):

Ellie has told the family what Wes relayed to her, about himself. Ray and Bobby confront Parmalee, in his motel room. The elderly ranch foreman says Bobby always had a fierce wild temper but that he won't hit a man his age. The youngest Ewing son wants the man who claims to be his daddy out of Dallas tonight.

Wes: "I never really figured you'd believe me! Well maybe you're right. Maybe it's better if I do leave. I've been alone for the last 4 years it can't be any worse than it has been." (He raises his voice, when he says this).

Bobby: "Well you are right, about one thing. I don't believe you and the sooner you get out of here, the better it is going to be for everybody."

Bobby walks past him and leaves the motel room. Ray is still there.

Wes: "Is that what you think Ray?"

Ray: "Does it matter to you what I think?"

Wes: "It matters what all my boys think."

Ray: "Are you leaving?"

Wes: "Why, don't you want me to?"

Ray: "I'm pretty sure I know what Jock would've done. I'm kinda curious to see if you'll do the same thing."

Ray gives Wes a dirty look, before he up sticks back home.

What is Wes going to do next?

Actually Ray didn't give Wes a dirty look, it was more of a meaningful look as if he was apprehensive about what Wes was going to do next.

 

[Luke_Krebbs_Ewing]

Where would you have seen it going from there? It had already been established that Jason had no claim on Ewing Oil so I don't see what his return would have added in drama terms.

Well I suppose he could've teamed up with Jack as Dack Rambo was still on the show that could've opened up some storylines.

Even as Jason Steve Forrest's character of Wes could've still had a relationship with Miss Ellie.

The characters of Miss Ellie and Clayton started to stagnate after season ten, keeping Steve Forrest as Jason or Jock would've certainly helped bolster their characters storyline wise.

 

[lbf522]

If he was not really Jock, then why introduce him then? Not to mention he passed all of tests and knew things that only Jock would know. I do wish they had introduced us to Jock's brother Jason though.

 

[Frank Underwood]

I tend to find recasts of well-established characters to be pretty abysmal. However, Steve Forrest is the rare exception. Although Wes didn't turn out to be Jock, I would have easily accepted him in the part. For one thing, he was able to mimic many of Jim Davis's mannerisms and inflections without it feeling like a cheap imitation. The explanation for his change in appearance and voice was also well crafted. On top of that, Steve was a charismatic actor who had great chemistry with the cast (especially Barbara Bel Geddes.)

Personally, I found the resolution to the Wes storyline to be a bit of a cop out. I'm a fan of David Paulsen, but I think it's irrelevant as to whether or not they intended Wes to be Jock. Despite Bobby "confirming" that Wes is Wyatt Haynes, there really is no definitive proof that he is. Although Wes tells Miss Ellie that he's not Jock, he also says he'll see her again someday. My theory is that he was Jock, but he left because he didn't want to put Miss Ellie through any more pain. He also knew the family would never accept him.

 

[Luke_Krebbs_Ewing]

If he was not really Jock, then why introduce him then? Not to mention he passed all of tests and knew things that only Jock would know. I do wish they had introduced us to Jock's brother Jason though.

As I've pointed out umpteen times before Wes was really meant to be Jock but they reneged on doing it due to a fan backlash.