JR and revenge

[Rove]

How he dealt with Peter Richards was a prime example

I'll never forget that freeze frame on JR, standing on the balcony eavesdropping on what Sue Ellen and Peter thought was a private conversation. You just knew nothing good was coming Sue Ellen or Peter's way. In fact that whole season was beautifully constructed from the Southfork fire to Bobby being shot.

 

[Monzo]

Who actually took successful and lasting revenge on JR?

There were a few people towards the end of the show, but does it really count? All of this was plot-driven so that by the series finale, JR would be so distraught that he would consider suicide.

Sue Ellen had her revenge with the film about JR, but I was never really convinced of it. In the oil business, everyone already knew what JR was like, and was it really that important to him what the middle-class moviegoer and any film critics thought of him?

 

[LMLDallas78]

I'll never forget that freeze frame on JR, standing on the balcony eavesdropping on what Sue Ellen and Peter thought was a private conversation. You just knew nothing good was coming Sue Ellen or Peter's way. In fact that whole season was beautifully constructed from the Southfork fire to Bobby being shot.

Yes, wasn't it wonderful to watch JR plot his revenge against Peter and Sue Ellen? How he encouraged Peter more into the family, then planting the seed to a drunken Lucy how close Peter and Sue Ellen looked, only to side with Sue Ellen when Lucy confronted them.

Then the great scene at the restaurant when JR drops the bomb that he knew about them both and telling Sue Ellen she had to move back into his bed to save Peter from going to jail. "I want you where I want you and when I want you", he told Sue Ellen. Fabulous revenge plot, but of course they were disturbed that night by the phone call of Bobby's shooting, but at least he got rid of poor Peedur.

 

[Billy Wall]

Who actually took successful and lasting revenge on JR?

There were a few people towards the end of the show, but does it really count? All of this was plot-driven so that by the series finale, JR would be so distraught that he would consider suicide.

Sue Ellen had her revenge with the film about JR, but I was never really convinced of it. In the oil business, everyone already knew what JR was like, and was it really that important to him what the middle-class moviegoer and any film critics thought of him?

I know he ended up in jail, but Jeremy Windell definitely got his revenge.

 

[Luke_Krebbs_Ewing]

Katzman said that?

Hilarious isn't it? If you diminish JR you diminish the series because that's exactly what Katzman did himself!

As showrunner he was totally responsible for the storylines and creative decisions made to the characters on the show when he assumed total control of it.

JR became a buffoon who contantly lost. Miss Ellie and Clayton resorted to mostly being nice and homey with each other with hardly any decent storylines together, although I do like the Murder She Wrote storyline they had. Bobby toughened up a bit but his contant flip flp love life from different women like Tracy McKay, Kay Lloyd and the Pam lookalike Jeanne O'Brien was exhausting to watch.

Dallas just limped forward after season ten. I just wish they had taken the bull by the horns and followed through with the Wes Parmalee storyline, no disrespect to the wonderful Jim Davis but having Steve Forrest as Jock would've reinvigorated the show especially after the departures of Victoria Principal and Susan Howard.

 

[Luke_Krebbs_Ewing]

I know he ended up in jail, but Jeremy Windell definitely got his revenge.

Having Jeremy finally destroy Ewing Oil in season ten was a pivotal moment for the show.

It's one of my favourite storylines from one of my favourite seasons.

Such a great actor William Smithers, it really irks me that Larry Hagman engineered getting rid of him from the show.

 

[LMLDallas78]

Such a great actor William Smithers, it really irks me that Larry Hagman engineered getting rid of him from the show.

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No way? I didn't know that! William Smithers was such a cool baddie. Mr Hagman had too many fingers in too many pies I feel and was responsible for orchestrating other characters demise. I guess that's how much clout he had and prestige he was given.

 

[Luke_Krebbs_Ewing]

No way? I didn't know that! William Smithers was such a cool baddie. Mr Hagman had too many fingers in too many pies I feel and was responsible for orchestrating other characters demise. I guess that's how much clout he had and prestige he was given.

Yeah whilst we all love Larry and his portrayal of JR he tricked William Smithers into asking for a raise when Lorimar was initating cutbacks right across it's budget. A shame really, Hagman whilst a great actor himself just couldn't see that Dallas worked best as an ensemble show. When it became the Bobby & JR show that's when all creativity sadly went out the door.

 

[LMLDallas78]

Yeah whilst we all love Larry and his portrayal of JR he tricked William Smithers into asking for a raise when Lorimar was initating cutbacks right across it's budget. A shame really, Hagman whilst a great actor himself just couldn't see that Dallas worked best as an ensemble show. When it became the Bobby & JR show that's when all creativity sadly went out the door.

Thanks for the info! Definitely agree.

 

[Billy Wall]

No way? I didn't know that! William Smithers was such a cool baddie. Mr Hagman had too many fingers in too many pies I feel and was responsible for orchestrating other characters demise. I guess that's how much clout he had and prestige he was given.

Sounds like his ego was taking over the show.

 

[LMLDallas78]

Sounds like his ego was taking over the show.

That's unfortunately true, it did.