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Recently, horrid Piers Morgan interviewed Jordan Peterson about disaffected young men, and when Peterson wept on his show, the pseudo-left (like the jaw-droppingly smug Majority Report) had a field day, accusing Peterson of crying over things about which he wasn't crying.

Then, Piers interviewed Andrew Tate -- not the most articulate amongst the "red pilled" community -- who stupidly insisted that wives are the property of their husbands. Not to be outdone, Piers then asserted that criticism "of any woman is misogyny." So they're both phukcwads -- it was a phukcwad collision.

Here, Morgan is a little bit more objective, discussing whether MeToo has "gone too far."

 
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A 2016 documentary by liberal ex-feminist Cassie Jaye about the men's right movement (she originally planned it to be a satire), THE RED PILL:


There were many attempts to ban this film, claiming it was "pro-rape."
 
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Here, Morgan is a little bit more objective, discussing whether MeToo has "gone too far."

The woman in the video who says "I like that terror. I like that. I think that men should be frightened" and "I think we're victims, Amy" is now at the centre of a controversy.

A male journalist is being cancelled for saying that he wouldn't want to go to bed with her (the article seriously lacks journalistic objectivity, by the way, with the word "vile" used ad nauseam and - as I've just noticed - the term "Incel" appearing in the URL).

His words were harsh and I don't feel they were appropriate. This is a shame, because it's now become all about what he said (and to a lesser extent the reactions of the male host of the show, who has now made a career-saving apology for smiling politely as he listened).

What's got lost in the mix is that his rant came from a discussion about an earlier debate regarding a proposed Minister For Men where she'd repeatedly dismissed eloquent, statistic-based comments from comedian Geoff Norcott, who's written a lighthearted book about male idiosyncrasies which touches on some current concerns faced by men, particularly around mental and physical health.


The debate from a couple of days ago can be seen here (beginning at 36:55):




A couple of her responses to concerns facing many men...

On suicide being the biggest killer of men under 50:
I have to say that's also because women are unsuccessful... A lot of that... feeds into that statistic.

On men having a higher death rate during the Covid pandemic:
But who was doing all the work during Covid? You know, a lot of the time if you looked into peoples households, it was the women...


Meanwhile the other woman on the panel has her own solution to male suicide and isolation:
Here's a positive proposal... Why don't you launch "BASH: Blokes Against Sexual Harassment"? Do something to support women. Stand by women who are facing that in the way that women stand by men.

The sickening irony of that last sentence is completely lost on her.


I really feel for the men on the panel. They repeatedly acknowledge their support for those concerns faced by women while valiantly (and vainly) trying to spend a couple of minutes on the topic of this discussion. Ultimately it ends up reinforcing just why so many men end up silenced when it comes to their own physical and mental health needs.
 

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Yes, male suicide is five times what it is for women. But when the point is brought up, the smirking feminists always counter that women attempt suicide twice as often -- with no one inclined to point out that that means men are mysteriously ten times more successful at it (which implies a lot of those women are doing it for attention, as a "cry for help," while the men actually seem to mean it).

Or they'll insist than men "use more lethal methods" in their suicide attempts (which are usually successful) which seems to suggest that men being violent even in killing themselves just proves men are more violent, those nasty blokes (apparently, when women attempt suicide, they're just so fundamentally peaceful that she can't figure out what methods are actually fatal).

Male homelessness is tenfold that of women.

But male disposability is so entrenched, that it can't even be discussed. (Although some feminists have asserted that that disposability, when not being denied, is actually part of male privilege).

A few years ago, de-frocked feminist Warren Farrell (who wrote "The Myth of Male Power") held a seminar at the University of Toronto about male suicide, but anything for men (that doesn't even criticize, or praise, or address women at all) is viewed as innately anti-woman and by default "misogyny."

Here was the protest:


If the girl screaming "f**cking rape apologist scum!" actually believed what she was saying, she would have been afraid to have expressed it so freely, for fear of violent reprisal. But she wasn't... So I guess she was just amazing and brave.

When the feminists grudgingly concede that something might be done to address men's issues, they insist that it be done through the framework of feminism (which, of course, means not at all, the focus always re-routed back onto women's needs and "what men can do for women" endlessly).

Of course, there's a reason mainstream media panders to -- and encourages -- this female narcissism: The corporations have long-known that 85% of the consumer dollars are spent by women. So if you're going to coax women (through endless flattery in the media, and commercials and sitcoms which portray women as utterly competent and noble in contrast to helpless, hapless, worthless guys -- to say nothing of wildly anti-male divorce courts) to send all of her cash -- and that of her partner -- up to the real patriarchy at the tip-top (whose privilege does not trickle down to the average guy, no matter what the feminists claim) you have to keep the attention on her and her needs (and her victimization, real or imagined) 100% of the time.

And, as Christina Hoff Summers has said, "Don't talk back to big sister."

Feminism and old school patriarchal chivalry have been hand-in-hand on the downlow from the very beginning. Feminism is not a reaction or rebellion against the patriarchy, but an expression of the patriarchy. Women, after all, have been running the patriarchy for eons.

I really feel for the men on the panel. They repeatedly acknowledge their support for those concerns faced by women while valiantly (and vainly) trying to spend a couple of minutes on the topic of this discussion. Ultimately it ends up reinforcing just why so many men end up silenced when it comes to their own physical and mental health needs.

One former '60s feminist who'd had a near death experience in 1973 changed her views about the movement as a result. As bad and abusive as men can be when in power, there are special problems when women control everything. The narcissism is different and in certain ways worse. And there's nothing utopian about the result.

We think of women as being more nurturing, but that only seems to be under the auspices of men. Without it, they're not.

Lesbians have the highest level of domestic violence; gay men the lowest, and straight couples in between. And female regents, though fewer in number, are historically even more warlike than the men. In households with mutual domestic violence, men and women initiate it 50/50; but in households where the violence is unilateral, women initiate it 70% of the time. Women also kill their offspring far more often than men (even when the fathers are in the households).

When Erin Pizzey started the first women's domestic abuse center in the UK, she quickly saw that many of the female residents were just as violent (to their children and to the other residents) and she realized a shelter for men and boy victims was necessary, too. The radical feminists stopped it, sent death threats, killed her dog, and ran her out of the country. Their message being: 'if you dare say women are violent, we'll kill you'.

But you can't address these things at all because, as Voltaire said (before they pulled his statue down in Paris): if you want to know who rules you, then just ask who you're not allowed to criticize.

Interestingly, some of the most articulate and insightful voices about men's needs -- and critical of feminism -- are from women. But they're shunned by mainstream media.
 
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when the point is brought up, the smirking feminists always counter that women attempt suicide twice as often -- with no one inclined to point out that that means men are mysteriously ten times more successful at it (which implies a lot of those women are doing it for attention, as a "cry for help," while the men actually seem to mean it).

Or they'll insist than men "use more lethal methods" in their suicide attempts (which are usually successful) which seems to suggest that men being violent even in killing themselves just proves men are more violent, those nasty blokes (apparently, when women attempt suicide, they're just so fundamentally peaceful that she can't figure out what methods are actually fatal).

Yes. In the case of the exchange in that video, the immediate counter that "women were unsuccessful" alludes to victimhood and oppression: as if the biggest tragedy is the poor women instead of the men who've ended their lives.


The reporting on this story continues to frame it as misogyny (as of this morning, reactions to Laurence Fox's "wouldn't shag her" comment are the #1 most-read story on BBC News.) However, not one article I've read on any news outlet has given the context of the Politics Live show where she stamped all over the very idea that men have a right to a voice or support. If genders were reversed and two men had tried to make a discussion of challenges faced by women all about themselves the conversation wouldn't have been forgotten so quickly.

I'm repeating myself here, but it's incredibly frustrating that Fox couldn't air his anger more appropriately, because how she's being reported to be the victim.




Here was the protest

Shocking. Some very telling comments. Like the woman who projected that "so-called men's rights groups" are hate-groups.

Oh, and...
"We're not super-interested in talking to you, first of all, but basically we're here to shut down an event."




If the girl screaming "f**cking rape apologist scum!" actually believed what she was saying, she would have been afraid to have expressed it so freely, for fear of violent reprisal. But she wasn't... So I guess she was just amazing and brave.

And smiling through it.

There's no attempt to conceal the enjoyment of the ugly stuff being said. All in the name of combatting hate speech.
 

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I'm repeating myself here, but it's incredibly frustrating that Fox couldn't air his anger more appropriately, because how she's being reported to be the victim.

It almost doesn't matter how rude or polite you are -- the reaction is essentially the same.

Ah, when we used to think feminism had anything to do with equality or fairness. But if you do a deep dive into it, it really never was -- not even first or second wave.

But I do find it fascinating.

And once you see it for what it is, you can never un-see it.
 

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It almost doesn't matter how rude or polite you are -- the reaction is essentially the same.

Yes. Either you're silenced like Geoff Norcott and Damian Green (whose respectful and astute observations about the men's wellbeing conversation being shut down, were drowned out by aggressive accusations of sexism) or there are calls to cancel entirely.

Everyone is now raking over Laurence Fox's choice of words in great depth. It's right that he should be held accountable, but it's wrong that the earlier debate in which comments made by Ava herself were, to put it gently, incredibly unhelpful and dismissive is being conveniently buried as a result.

Articles I've read have been all about what Fox said without any real conversation about the reason for his exasperation. The comments beneath the Politics Live video tell exactly where people's real frustrations lie with the context of the bigger picture.




Ah, when we used to think feminism had anything to do with equality or fairness. But if you do a deep dive into it, it really never was -- not even first or second wave.

I'm not hugely au fait with the history of feminism, but it does (to me, at least) seem to have become more glaringly misandrist as it's evolved. Though I suppose this could be to do with the misandry being given more of a podium in recent years through social media. And I suppose it's equally possible that any voices of reason are being drowned out by the less reasonable ones.




And once you see it for what it is, you can never un-see it.

Sadly, yes.
 

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it's wrong that the earlier debate in which comments made by Ava herself were, to put it gently, incredibly unhelpful and dismissive is being conveniently buried as a result.

Geoff Norcott may have been shut down for trying to raise some serious concerns, but it does look like something constructive will come from that debate:

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