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Babs didn't have an ego compared to Crawford and Davis. I like all these gals, but Babs was the better person for sure. Babs had no issues with helping her fellow actors. She was terribly kind to William Holden, on their film GOLDEN BOY, she went to bat for him since it was his first film and was kinda green and raw.
 

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Way better than Crawford. She aged so gracefully. even gave that turd, THE COLBYS some much needed heft and dignity.
Yeah, Stanwyck did THE COLBYS as a favor to Aaron Spelling. She later called the show a "turkey" and she bailed after the first season.

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Stanwyck did THE COLBYS as a favor to Aaron Spelling. She later called the show a "turkey" and she bailed after the first season.

I haven't seen enough of THE COLBYS to have much of an opinion on it -- and what I have seen certainly doesn't make me think it was good -- but I find Stanwyck's dismissal of the show as the worst thing she ever did to be odd. She starred in a William Castle movie! I'm inclined to think Aaron Spelling at his worst had to be better than Castle.
 

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I haven't seen enough of THE COLBYS to have much of an opinion on it -- and what I have seen certainly doesn't make me think it was good -- but I find Stanwyck's dismissal of the show as the worst thing she ever did to be odd. She starred in a William Castle movie! I'm inclined to think Aaron Spelling at his worst had to be better than Castle.
Despite Stanwyck's dismissal of THE COLBYS, I personally like what little I've seen of the show. I had some bootlegs DVDs of the show once, but they've been lost during my moving. They probably got thrown out.

I actually thought Stanwyck's portrayal of Connie, basically the Colby family matriarch, was pretty good. Now THE COLBYS isn't some landmark television drama, but it's good for what it is. I'd argue that it was better than what DYNASTY was given us at the same time, but yet still not quite up to the heights of something like KNOTS LANDING.

What I really enjoyed was the on-screen 'spats' Stanwyck had with Stephanie Beacham, who played her sister-in-law Sable on the show. Their scenes together are delicious. Had Stanwyck decided to stick around, the show might've lasted a little longer, but probably not because soaps were on their way out anyway.

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There was a photo of her in my local newspaper this morning. It made me realize that she was beautiful when she was young.
I think of her as an old woman as I have only seen her in "The Thornbirds" and "The Colbys."
 

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Definitely see younger Barbara Stanwyck in Baby Face and Night Nurse, two pre-Code classics that show how tough, sassy and FUN Barbara Stanwyck movies could be. See Double Indemnity for a classic Stanwyck performance as well, and see what you think.
Yes. I’ve those and have a bunch of her pre-code movies.

 
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My sister-in-law bought me a copy of DOUBLE INDEMNITY for my birthday last Thursday. Being a fan of Classic Hollywood like I am, I've been familiar with this particular movie for quite sometime. I had heard the jokes and the reasoning behind Barbara Stanwyck's ratty blonde wig, but I had virtually forgotten that Fred MacMurray and Edward G. Robinson were the leading men in this with her.

I must say that I thoroughly enjoyed DOUBLE INDEMNITY when I watched it, especially since I was watching it with fresh eyes. Stanwyck was superb as a devious femme fatale, making her a prototype of the classic film noir stereotypes. Being familiar with the film, I was semi-aware of where the story was heading, and that Stanwyck's Phyllis was going to be the true villain of the piece.

DOUBLE INDEMNITY has certainly helped me warm to Stanwyck, and it has been eager to invest some time in seeking out more of her work. MacMurray and Robinson were good as her male leads, even though I originally had my doubts about MacMurray. I'm not well-versed with his work outside of MY THREE SONS and some comedies I've seen, so I wasn't entirely sure he'd do good as a "heavy" in a dustier, grittier piece.

It was a crazy ride, and I enjoyed it.

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Where does one start with Stanwyck? She's probably my favorite, though it's sometimes hard to chose between her, Joan and Bette.

It all comes down to the fact that Stanny could do it all. She was at the peak of all major movie genres, during their heyday. From early 30s pre/code, to early 40s screwball comedy. From mid to late 40s film noir to 50s Sirk melodrama, all the while owning westerns as the only female who could match men there. The heck, she was the queen of Christmas movies as well!

Going through her astonishingly huge filmography is a lesson in history of Hollywood and how genres changed. morphed and disappeared. The fact she was a great pro, beloved by fellow actors, crews and even studio heads makes her even more likeable. Never tied down to just one studio, she worked for all of them, on her own terms, which probably cost her an Oscar since she never had one studio focusing all of their resources on her. Nevermind, she's the still greatest!











 

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I've been watching a little about Barbara Stanwyck this past week. I've re-watched the "Straight Down the Line" documentary two separate times, and it's caused me to reevaluate the woman as a whole. For me to be as dismissive of Stanwyck for so many years, I honestly cannot believe just how my opinion of her has shifted the past six months or so.

Here are some things I've deduced the past few months:​
I really like how Stanwyck was supportive of younger actors. More so than Davis or Crawford, or perhaps even Hepburn and her other peers, Stanwyck was quite well-known for helping out younger actors when she worked with them. Perhaps the most famous example of this is her support of actor William Holden, whom she starred with in the 1939 film GOLDEN BOY. Stanwyck was very supportive of the nervous young actor (who was apparently petrified working with Stanwyck), and even went to bat for him with the producers who wanted to replace him when they felt her was convincing in the role a few weeks into production. Stanwyck stuck her neck on the line and encouraged everyone to give Holden a chance, and the film ultimately made Holden a bankable commodity. Stanwyck was also supportive of a young rising Marilyn Monroe when the two worked together on CLASH BY NIGHT in 1952, complimenting her performance and encouraging her to do her best. Barbara apparently had the utmost patience with Marilyn's tardiness and nervousness as well. One story exists of Barbara scolding a director on one of her films after he verbally attacked a bit player on the set. Barbara threatened to leave the picture if the director didn't publicly apologize for being rude to the unknown actor. Barbara's support of younger, rising talent is certainly admiral. When one hears of other actors and actresses being rude to young, upcoming performers, it is very refreshing to hear of such a big, respected star as Barbara Stanwyck being nice to those coming up behind her.​
Unlike most stars of in her time, Stanwyck shied away from having long-term contracts with movie studios. Where Davis, Crawford, Hepburn, and others held contracts with major studios, Stanwyck preferred signing deals with different studios, typically for one movie at a time. Of course, this had its privileges, such as Barbara having a wider variety of roles to play over the course of her career, but it also withdrew her from having the support of major studios and head-honcho executives to promote her performances for prestigious awards. Some biographers theorize that such a career style hindered her being a major box office star.​
From what little I've seen (and the more I've read) of her film work, Barbara Stanwyck had a significant range. She moved effortlessly from dramas, to comedies, to Westerns, to melodramas, to crime dramas, and practically everything in between with staggering ease. Her willingness to sacrifice the stability of a major studio backing her career enabled her ability to play in a greater variety of films. Similar to Davis and Crawford, Stanwyck was good in the heavier dramas and "women's pictures" of the time, but unlike Davis and Crawford, but similar to Hepburn, she was adept to do some very good comedy. As an actress, especially during her prime, I'd say the one she could be most easily compared to was Bette Davis. Unlike Davis, however, who projected a theatrical style of film acting, Stanwyck comes across as more natural and real in her performances.​
I know I'm not too deep into my knowledge of Barbara Stanwyck, but I am liking what I'm finding so far.

Does anyone else have any tidbits they'd like to share?​

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I've been watching a little about Barbara Stanwyck this past week. I've re-watched the "Straight Down the Line" documentary two separate times, and it's caused me to reevaluate the woman as a whole. For me to be as dismissive of Stanwyck for so many years, I honestly cannot believe just how my opinion of her has shifted the past six months or so.

Here are some things I've deduced the past few months:​
I really like how Stanwyck was supportive of younger actors. More so than Davis or Crawford, or perhaps even Hepburn and her other peers, Stanwyck was quite well-known for helping out younger actors when she worked with them. Perhaps the most famous example of this is her support of actor William Holden, whom she starred with in the 1939 film GOLDEN BOY. Stanwyck was very supportive of the nervous young actor (who was apparently petrified working with Stanwyck), and even went to bat for him with the producers who wanted to replace him when they felt her was convincing in the role a few weeks into production. Stanwyck stuck her neck on the line and encouraged everyone to give Holden a chance, and the film ultimately made Holden a bankable commodity. Stanwyck was also supportive of a young rising Marilyn Monroe when the two worked together on CLASH BY NIGHT in 1952, complimenting her performance and encouraging her to do her best. Barbara apparently had the utmost patience with Marilyn's tardiness and nervousness as well. One story exists of Barbara scolding a director on one of her films after he verbally attacked a bit player on the set. Barbara threatened to leave the picture if the director didn't publicly apologize for being rude to the unknown actor. Barbara's support of younger, rising talent is certainly admiral. When one hears of other actors and actresses being rude to young, upcoming performers, it is very refreshing to hear of such a big, respected star as Barbara Stanwyck being nice to those coming up behind her.​


Unlike most stars of in her time, Stanwyck shied away from having long-term contracts with movie studios. Where Davis, Crawford, Hepburn, and others held contracts with major studios, Stanwyck preferred signing deals with different studios, typically for one movie at a time. Of course, this had its privileges, such as Barbara having a wider variety of roles to play over the course of her career, but it also withdrew her from having the support of major studios and head-honcho executives to promote her performances for prestigious awards. Some biographers theorize that such a career style hindered her being a major box office star.​


From what little I've seen (and the more I've read) of her film work, Barbara Stanwyck had a significant range. She moved effortlessly from dramas, to comedies, to Westerns, to melodramas, to crime dramas, and practically everything in between with staggering ease. Her willingness to sacrifice the stability of a major studio backing her career enabled her ability to play in a greater variety of films. Similar to Davis and Crawford, Stanwyck was good in the heavier dramas and "women's pictures" of the time, but unlike Davis and Crawford, but similar to Hepburn, she was adept to do some very good comedy. As an actress, especially during her prime, I'd say the one she could be most easily compared to was Bette Davis. Unlike Davis, however, who projected a theatrical style of film acting, Stanwyck comes across as more natural and real in her performances.​



I know I'm not too deep into my knowledge of Barbara Stanwyck, but I am liking what I'm finding so far.

Does anyone else have any tidbits they'd like to share?​

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I remember, on some sort of tribute show, that Linda Evans talked about how Barbara Stanwyck was such a great mentor.
I think that this thread could inspire another thread - Actors/Actresses that are acknowledged as talented, but
they don't resonate for some people.
 

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I'm glad you're starting to dig Barbara, Caproni. Maybe you should check out more of her movies, that will give you the real feel of who she was. I would suggest starting with some pre-Codes, where she also reigned. Night Nurse (1931), Ladies They Talk About (1933), Baby Face (1933), The Bitter Tea of General Yen (1933) are just some of the highlights.
 

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Yesterday the wife and I watched SORRY, WRONG NUMBER, the 1948 noirish melodrama starring Barbara Stanwyck and Burt Lancaster. I had gotten this movie for Christmas, and I had been eagerly awaiting our viewing of it. When we found ourselves with some downtime yesterday, we decided to hook up the projector and watch it.

When searching essential Barbara Stanwyck movies online, this film consistently ranks at the top of multiple lists as one of her personal best. After viewing it, I readily agree with that common assumption. Stanwyck's performance as Leona, a bed-ridden society wife tormented by phone calls, is riveting and effortless. It is practically magical how she glides through the movie, all with rarely leaving her bed. One imagines a less capable actress being unable to carry a movie laying in her bed 75% of the run time. Her performance was definitely worthy of her Oscar nod, and performances such as this one makes it all the more baffling that Stanwyck never received an Oscar for her work. Yeah, she received the honorary Oscar later on in life, but those just don't read the same. Those are just an admitting on the academy's part that they've overlooked talent in the past.

One has to mention Burt Lancaster as Stanwyck's handsome husband, Henry Stevenson. His performance here is quite good, although I'd argue that it seems a little stiff in some spots. Of course, I understand this is relatively early in Lancaster's career, and I know he gave outstanding performances later on.

SORRY, WRONG NUMBER is a very good movie. I found the run time -- at around 88 minutes -- to be its biggest positive. Such similar movies often get a little long-winded, and fizzle out somewhere in the middle before driving up the suspense as the story is stirred towards the climax. This movie moves along nicely and never really seems padded or that extra stuff is thrown in to make a messy mystery out of the facts. I like how the film is shot with some suspenseful B&W camera work that leaves out the edges of the scenery. That only heightens the tension this movie aims for. Stanwyck and Lancaster work well together, and as I said before, it is quite easy to understand why this film is considered Stanwyck at her best.

Such movies as this one has really redefined my opinion of Barbara Stanwyck. I'm growing increasingly appreciative of her work as an actress with each viewing of her films. I have others that I plan to experience in the near future.

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SORRY, WRONG NUMBER is a very good movie. I found the run time -- at around 88 minutes -- to be its biggest positive.

Yes, although the original radio broadcast (with Agnes Moorehead) was even tauter and mysterious; with no backstory, the listener didn't even know why someone was trying to kill the woman, which made it even more suspenseful.

SORRY, WRONG NUMBER is a nifty noir thriller, but I mostly give it credit for having a thoroughly unlikeable protagonist. That was uncommon in the era. Sure, there were lots of "bitches" in the noir genre or 40s melodramas, but they're usually so slick that the audience is drawn to them. This lady is just a pain in the ass. She's so shrill and neurotic, I wanted her to get murdered.
 

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Yes, although the original radio broadcast (with Agnes Moorehead) was even tauter and mysterious; with no backstory, the listener didn't even know why someone was trying to kill the woman, which made it even more suspenseful.
I'd like to listen to the radio version. I might see if it uploaded You-Know-Where and listen to it on the drive home.​
SORRY, WRONG NUMBER is a nifty noir thriller, but I mostly give it credit for having a thoroughly unlikeable protagonist. That was uncommon in the era. Sure, there were lots of "bitches" in the noir genre or 40s melodramas, but they're usually so slick that the audience is drawn to them. This lady is just a pain in the ass. She's so shrill and neurotic, I wanted her to get murdered.
My wife and I had the same assumption. We both enjoyed the movie, but we found Leona to be completely unlikeable. I felt she had more redeeming qualities than the Mrs. did, but neither of us were totally in her corner. We didn't necessarily feel sorry for her when she was eventually knocked off, but I must admit, I wanted her to live. Having a unlikeable protagonist was definitely riding against the norm. Even the likes of MIDNIGHT LACE and other similar films had wives you wanted to pull through in the end.​
 
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I just added the following Barbara Stanwyck movies to my Amazon birthday wish list:
1) DOUBLE INDEMNITY​

2) BALL OF FIRE​

3) TCM: BARBARA STANWYCK​

A) BABY FACE​
B) ANNIE OAKLEY​
C) EAST SIDE, WEST SIDE​
D) MY REPUTATION​
4) THE BARBARA STANWYCK COLLECTION​
A) INTERNES CAN'T TAKE MONEY​
B) THE GREAT MAN'S LADY​
C) THE BRIDE WORE BOOTS​
D) THE LADY GAMBLES​
E) ALL I DESIRE​
F) THERE'S ALWAYS TOMORROW​
Does this seem like a good place to start? (That's if I actually get any of these movies for my birthday.)​
With Baby Face, I have both the prerelease version and the original theatrical release version. The prerelease version is just under 76 minutes long. The theatrical release is 70 and a half minutes long. Not just edits but scene changes too. More daring in the prerelease version. The differences are discussed here:





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