Snarky Oracle!
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Interesting. You think Jock married Ellie for her social standing? Even though she was broke during the Depression of the '30s?
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Interesting. You think Jock married Ellie for her social standing? Even though she was broke during the Depression of the '30s?
CeeCee72
Telly Talk Star
Things are different back when Jock and Ellie were young. Many couples married as part of a "deal." The man got someone to take care of his domestic needs and to mother his children, women got someone to protect and provide for them. My grandmother told me once that she married my grandfather because he was a "suitable" husband and that they grew to love one another. Seems to me that Jock and Ellie's reasons for marrying matched up fairly well with the times they lived in.
Willie Oleson
Telly Talk Schemer
Never underestimate a conniving oil man.
That has never stopped an aristocrat from sticking his/her nose in the air and pretending that it's nothing but a minor setback.
Snarky Oracle!
Telly Talk Supreme
So Jock didn't love Ellie more?
Willie Oleson
Telly Talk Schemer
No, he lied.
She also lied because she loved him more but he wasn't supposed to know that. It makes men just a little bit too cocky.
The lies....it just never stops!
She also lied because she loved him more but he wasn't supposed to know that. It makes men just a little bit too cocky.
The lies....it just never stops!
DallasFanForever
Telly Talk Supreme
This sounds logical to me. At the time I also felt that it wasn’t so much that Bobby was leaving Southfork that bothered her. The bigger problem was the way it happened, Jock siding with J.R. about shutting down the fields. Maybe if Bobby wasn’t leaving under those circumstances she might’ve accepted it better? She was happy to help Gary get settled in California thinking he would be happy out there so maybe her sons leaving home wasn’t as hard for her when it was under different circumstances.
Snarky Oracle!
Telly Talk Supreme
So, they're both opportunistic sluts and whores.
Do women get too cocky when told they are loved? It's been said that the more you love a woman, the less she loves you (not that they're all alike, of course) because it conveys weakness.
Willie Oleson
Telly Talk Schemer
DALLAS in a nutshell.
Thankfully they created the much more upstanding DYNASTY.
Snarky Oracle!
Telly Talk Supreme
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Billy Wall
Telly Talk Dream Maker
This is where Dallas was brilliant. Clayton actually explained it to Bobby why JR, Gary AND Ray were probably never going to own Southfork when he came to see how everything was going after the fire. He said that "we knew YOU would be the one to handle things. Sure, JR would like to own it, but he has no interest in the land. Gary loves the land but he lives out west and Ray doesn't have any Southworth blood."
And I think they rewarded Bobby the ranch is because Bobby and Pam were on better terms and Bobby thought their could be a reconciliation and he was putting that on hold to tend to Southfork and promising Miss Ellie to stay, which he wasn't sure of since Pam had vowed to never go back to Southfork.
Willie Oleson
Telly Talk Schemer
They had class and dignity.
Mustard
Telly Talk TV Fanatic
That rather depends on the woman. Women of the heart will love to be told that they are loved, and love their man back even more. Women who like the "strong men" or "bad guys" or who see the relationship as being for money purposes, will perhaps lose respect or interest for a man who falls for them.
Snarky Oracle!
Telly Talk Supreme
Well, sher. The good folks ....
But how many of them, male or female, are there really?
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Mustard
Telly Talk TV Fanatic
LOL at the headline. By October 1983, Dallas was much better than Dynasty, creatively speaking. Dallas was at its absolute peak in that regard, with the Battle for Ewing Oil. Dallas was gripping TV at that point, while Dynasty was in Season 4 at the time, which was bad enough for Pamela Sue Martin to lose enjoyment and want out of the show. PSM didn't particularly like the bigger spotlight and publiclty anyway, but once she lost the creative challenge and fun of playing Fallon, she wanted out.
Snarky Oracle!
Telly Talk Supreme
Yes, but Seasons 1, 2 and 9 of DYNASTY were soooo good. Not that anyone's ever said that before...
That said, Stephen Birmingham's 1983 article for TVGUIDE pretty much hit the nail on the head: he points out DALLAS tells the better tale and JR Ewing is the more subtly written villain we almost like (in contrast, Birmingham points out, to Alexis who is "just a brazen hussy"). He also observes that DALLAS is the much more confident serial, attributing that to the fact that it's the older show.
He contrasted that to DYNASTY's "nervous" flavor where the characters are constantly reminding each other of what happened yesterday. (Birmingham was unaware that that was the result of the devastating Static Acting Directive implemented on DYNASTY just a year earlier, nor was he aware that DYNASTY had been a far more confident show in its first two seasons).
Birmingham based his observations from a marathon session of watching reruns from the 1982-1983 year of both shows (DALLAS' Season 6 per DVD count, DYNASTY's Season 3) he'd undertaken during the Summer of 1983 in preparation for the article. He "emerged bleary-eyed" as a result.
DYNASTY never seemed to learn anything from even high-profile criticism -- they were aware of it, but the show remained unaffected by it. Such was the toxic tone-deaf bubble in which DYNASTY resided.
Mustard
Telly Talk TV Fanatic
Dynasty fizzed up like a rocket in its first 2-3 seasons and then started falling. It kept going and was prevented from crashing only by OTT melodrama, which had a certain captivating quality but it was very hard to seriously engage with the storylines from Season 4 onwards compared to Dallas and Knots Landing. Dallas and Knots Landing started relatively slowly, introducing viewers to the world of Southfork/Ewing Oil/Seaview Circle etc. but became gripping and lasted for years. Knots Landing never did have a serious crash in quality. Sure, Knots had seen better days than its late seasons, but even its late seasons were decent.
Jock Ewing Fan
Telly Talk Star
Wanting to give SF to Garrison?
Jock saved SF from the auction, worked it into a profitable place, built Ewing Oil into a major company
,supported Ellie and family with a life of wealth and privilege
and Ellie shows her appreciation by...giving SF to a man who had been absent for decades
Where were the Ewings going to live?
Was Jock supposed to work and manage a ranch that would benefit the long-lost relative?
It makes me wonder if Ellie ever loved Jock.
She sure didn't appreciate what he did for her, if this is her decision.
Ellie's wish probably would not have been supported, legally.
I don't know Texas law, but Jock could have claimed some form of adverse possession, I believe.
Also, Garrison would have been responsible for reimbursing the expenses that had been incurred for decades.
He never could have done that, let alone paid for the monthly upkeep.
I suppose this was manufactured, contrived tv drama, but it was ridiculous.
Jock saved SF from the auction, worked it into a profitable place, built Ewing Oil into a major company
,supported Ellie and family with a life of wealth and privilege
and Ellie shows her appreciation by...giving SF to a man who had been absent for decades
Where were the Ewings going to live?
Was Jock supposed to work and manage a ranch that would benefit the long-lost relative?
It makes me wonder if Ellie ever loved Jock.
She sure didn't appreciate what he did for her, if this is her decision.
Ellie's wish probably would not have been supported, legally.
I don't know Texas law, but Jock could have claimed some form of adverse possession, I believe.
Also, Garrison would have been responsible for reimbursing the expenses that had been incurred for decades.
He never could have done that, let alone paid for the monthly upkeep.
I suppose this was manufactured, contrived tv drama, but it was ridiculous.
Rove
Telly Talk Warrior
I've always attributed that to daytime soaps and its incessant need to remind the viewer what you may have missed in the previous episode...then we'll add some additional words. The following day? Repeat what we did the previous day and so on.
Snarky Oracle!
Telly Talk Supreme
It's a matter of degree... And it's harder to engage in expository dialogue convincingly as an actor when you're strangled by the static acting directive which kicked in with DYNASTY's third season.