Pam's mummy debacle - was this a dig at Victoria?

MenaceTheDennis

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Recast her, what was the damn big deal?
Two words. Donna Reed. With ratings dwindling, they didn’t want to alienate any more viewers, after the dream fiasco, with another recast of a major character. Unfortunately, the way they wrote this bizarre crap, with Pam up and leaving, Bobby not looking for her, and Cliff and eventually Bobby thinking she married her doctor, there was no easy way, short of Principal returning, and vetoing a recast, to satisfactorily deal with it. They didn’t count on Principal never returning, unlike Duffy and Bel Geddes. It took the hacks at TNT to resolve it. It’s probably the worst exit of a major character on any prime time show. I was 20 when Pam exited, and I’ve thought the same thing for 35 years. Just have Pam leave town. Clean. simple, uncomplicated, and what works. But Dallas in the late 80s was anything but and viewers moved on.
 
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Luke_Krebbs_Ewing

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Off topic but I wish there were some cross-overs with this Friday night lineup on CBS. Dallas needed a good reporter like Jack McGee to keep on JR's trail and just imagine if Digger drove into Southfork to sell Pam in a '69 Dodge Charger with a Confederate Battle Flag on the roof. Just imagine, ratings gold! :p

On topic, no doubt they were keeping the door open for VP if she wanted to return as they didn't want to repeat what happened a season earlier with Patrick Duffy, dying and returning. In hindsight Pam was better off dead from the tanker accident than what we got afterward. I can't believe Pam would have left Christopher like that. I believe Margaret Michaels was just used to close loose ends for the character.

What they should've done was when Pam was going to disappear from the hospital the Hulk should've burst out of her bandages!

That would've gotten the ratings back up! Maybe!! :)
 

Snowcat

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Maybe it became more about program budget, at least to a degree.
Without VP, her salary was probably apportioned to several characters
Maybe the network cut the budget
Maybe the Production team increased their profit by not resigning her, although a recast probably would have required far less.

They probably should have tried a recast, but not right away. A new VP might have been a good idea for a season ending cliffhanger
VP said she decided 2 years earlier that she was going to leave & was open with everyone about it. She said they did make her an offer to come back & she would have been the highest paid actress on television. But she didn’t want to do it. They should have either had her die in the accident or bring back MM to play the last few episodes of Pam’s life & given her a proper funeral
 

Snarky Oracle!

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VP said she decided 2 years earlier that she was going to leave & was open with everyone about it. She said they did make her an offer to come back & she would have been the highest paid actress on television. But she didn’t want to do it. They should have either had her die in the accident or bring back MM to play the last few episodes of Pam’s life & given her a proper funeral

Apparently, VP wanted financial parity with Duffy, and was willing to do one more year while Lorimar wanted two. They were unable to reach an agreement.

Lorimar said her demands "were very high," and VP graciously said, "Lorimar and CBS have always been very generous with me."

Supposedly, she had dinner with Larry a year later when he brought her a larger offer to return. But she wasn't going to come back, and you can't blame her.
 

Mustard

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Apparently, VP wanted financial parity with Duffy, and was willing to do one more year while Lorimar wanted two. They were unable to reach an agreement.
Season 11 DVD would have been less stale had Victoria been there. Lorimar should have taken that 1 more year offer from Victoria, and write Pam out properly.

Lorimar said her demands "were very high," and VP graciously said, "Lorimar and CBS have always been very generous with me."
Odd from Lorimar. Lorimar demanding that Victoria commit to 2 more years instead of 1 more year, of what was then a near decade old series, is a higher demand, isn't it? In Britain, a lot of actors are reluctant to do a fourth season of a successful series, or even a third season. In the US, they seem to milk the cow completely dry.

Supposedly, she had dinner with Larry a year later when he brought her a larger offer to return. But she wasn't going to come back, and you can't blame her.
She had moved on in her mind from Dallas by then, especially given how she had exited, i.e. Pam in that car crash/oil tanker explosion. Whose idea was it originally to do that cliffhanger? Someone behind the scenes throwing a tantrum, along with the mummy scenes the following season?
 
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Snarky Oracle!

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Odd from Lorimar. Lorimar demanding that Victoria commit to 2 more years instead of 1 more year, of what was then a near decade old series, is a higher demand, isn't it? In Britain, a lot of actors are reluctant to do a fourth season of a successful series, or even a third season. In the US, they seem to milk the cow completely dry.

Yes, British hit shows seem to close up shoppe early. while American shows run well-past their expiration date.

I don't know about Belgium or Peru.

She had moved on in her mind from Dallas by then, especially given how she had exited, i.e. Pam in that car crash/oil tanker explosion. Whose idea was it originally to do that cliffhanger? Someone behind the scenes throwing a tantrum, along with the mummy scenes the following season?

I think the plan to have Bobby and Pam exit by car crash was decided years earlier (probably by Katzman). Remember in Season 5 (per DVD count) when Pam queried Bobby in the living room about Christopher's parents, and Bobby fibbed that the parents were from New Orleans and were killed in a car accident --- which is exactly where Bobby & Pam were coming from in the pilot episode.

Not a coincidence. And if VP stayed for another season or two, Pam would have likely exited very much the same way: into a truck. Full of petroleum products. Metaphorical for the oil business.

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southfork88

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I guess Victoria Principal only knew she died in a car accident.

However, the public sees her car collide with a petrol tanker and Pamela loses her beauty (Victoria's second business) becoming a mummy, then sees her escape with the help of not very well-known people, sees her divorce her husband and then stage (for Cliff's benefit) the charade with the plastic surgeon who remembers her real-life husband.

And Bobby doesn't even go looking for her.

Maybe Victoria was a little edgy at the time, but I really think treatment of her character offended a lot... rightly so.
 

Chris2

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I think Victoria’s “I gave them two years’ notice” story isn’t true. She was negotiating during 1987 by several accounts. But once she was gone, there was no way she was coming back. She said that Lorimar was petty during her exit: announcing that she had been let go (Victoria’s attorney forced a retraction), taking away her parking place. It was bad enough that she apparently wouldn’t allow her clips to be used during Sue Ellen’s movie storyline, or allow her image to be used when Bobby showed Jeanne a picture of Pam.
 

Mustard

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I guess Victoria Principal only knew she died in a car accident.

However, the public sees her car collide with a petrol tanker and Pamela loses her beauty (Victoria's second business) becoming a mummy, then sees her escape with the help of not very well-known people, sees her divorce her husband and then stage (for Cliff's benefit) the charade with the plastic surgeon who remembers her real-life husband.

And Bobby doesn't even go looking for her.

Maybe Victoria was a little edgy at the time, but I really think treatment of her character offended a lot... rightly so.
She did hear about the mummy bit.

I think Victoria’s “I gave them two years’ notice” story isn’t true. She was negotiating during 1987 by several accounts. But once she was gone, there was no way she was coming back. She said that Lorimar was petty during her exit: announcing that she had been let go (Victoria’s attorney forced a retraction), taking away her parking place. It was bad enough that she apparently wouldn’t allow her clips to be used during Sue Ellen’s movie storyline, or allow her image to be used when Bobby showed Jeanne a picture of Pam.
Victoria said in 1985 that she would probably be leaving Dallas in 2 years time, but it obviously wasn't a certainty. It was in 1985 that the original 7-year contracts for the original main cast members expired, and Victoria signed for another 2 years. In 1987, it seemed to take the brass by complete surprise that she was actually leaving. If you ask her in recent times, she says that the writing on Dallas was great for around the first 5 years or so and then started declining.
 
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southfork88

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I remember that in a Dallas Special broadcast during the season 1985-1986 with some actors present at the Ewing Rodeo, Victoria already says that the writing on Dallas was great for around the first 4 years and then started declining and the Pam character had become too fragile.
 

Rove

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Whose idea was it originally to do that cliffhanger? Someone behind the scenes throwing a tantrum
Creating that scene was a fait accompli for the character of Pam. Regardless of what was occurring behind the scenes in negotiations with Victoria the cliff-hanger was resolute in killing off the character. It appears the decision had been made. But then someone decided to keep the character alive despite Victoria existing stage left.

And did the producers not take Victoria seriously when she gave them 2 years notice? As mentioned numerous times she wasn't interested in the money. She was done with the character and the series. Perhaps the producers thought this was a tactic on her behalf to get more money. But someone in that writing room decided the tanker explosion was going to be Pam's big exit. Even if there was a hint Victoria might be changing her mind why create such an irreversible cliff-hanger.

But look what they did to Bobby?
 

Snarky Oracle!

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Creating that scene was a fait accompli for the character of Pam. Regardless of what was occurring behind the scenes in negotiations with Victoria the cliff-hanger was resolute in killing off the character. It appears the decision had been made. But then someone decided to keep the character alive despite Victoria existing stage left.

And did the producers not take Victoria seriously when she gave them 2 years notice? As mentioned numerous times she wasn't interested in the money. She was done with the character and the series. Perhaps the producers thought this was a tactic on her behalf to get more money. But someone in that writing room decided the tanker explosion was going to be Pam's big exit. Even if there was a hint Victoria might be changing her mind why create such an irreversible cliff-hanger.

But look what they did to Bobby?

No, she asked for a bigger raise than they were willing to give her, and was only willing to do one more season and Lorimar wanted two.

This "I can't be bought" thing is just VP's spin.
 

Mustard

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No, she asked for a bigger raise than they were willing to give her, and was only willing to do one more season and Lorimar wanted two.

This "I can't be bought" thing is just VP's spin.
Is it? She laid down her demands for staying on, and left when they weren't met. She had signed a 2-year extension in 1985 when she was already thinking of leaving Dallas, so she obviously didn't want to sign for another 2 years in 1987, especially as the series had declined in quality further along with an uneasy dream revelation and retcon of a whole season.
 
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Snarky Oracle!

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Is it? She laid down her demands for staying on, and left when they weren't met. She had signed a 2-year extension in 1985 when she was already thinking of leaving Dallas, so she obviously didn't want to sign for another 2 years in 1987, especially as the series had declined in quality further along with an uneasy dream revelation and retcon of a whole season.

Oh, I think she was smart to leave when she did, given where the show was headed. But Lorimar still wanted to re-sign thru 1989 and she was only willing to do so thru 1988. And whether they really offered to make her the highest paid actress on TV or not, she wanted parity with Duffy and they weren't willing to go that high.

She also wasn't born in 1950.
 

Laurie!

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And whether they really offered to make her the highest paid actress on TV or not, she wanted parity with Duffy and they weren't willing to go that high.
How dare she expect parity pay with her male counterpart? That b!TCH needed to know her place.
I mean Michael Preece had it right...she should expect to wear as few clothes as possible whenever they wanted because she was married to a plastic surgeon after all.

Misogyny...can't make that crap up.
 
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Chris2

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Victoria deserved every dollar that Patrick got, if not more. But the producers didn’t value women. And they weren’t alone. Look at Three’s Company, which initially made over a half billion dollars in syndication. Suzanne Somers had the nerve to ask for a piece of that. And the producers, by many accounts, enjoyed belittling her and punishing her by writing her part down to almost nothing before firing her. And the press went along with it, depicting her as the villain. Somers was not innocent and made a lot of missteps while negotiating. But the misogyny was clear to me: how dare this woman ask to share in the profits of a show where she was a significant player?
 

Snarky Oracle!

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Victoria deserved every dollar that Patrick got, if not more. But the producers didn’t value women. And they weren’t alone. Look at Three’s Company, which initially made over a half billion dollars in syndication. Suzanne Somers had the nerve to ask for a piece of that. And the producers, by many accounts, enjoyed belittling her and punishing her by writing her part down to almost nothing before firing her. And the press went along with it, depicting her as the villain. Somers was not innocent and made a lot of missteps while negotiating. But the misogyny was clear to me: how dare this woman ask to share in the profits of a show where she was a significant player?

Somers lied left and right, which is why DeWitt and Ritter didn't speak to her for decades.

Among other things, she requested a six figure salary after only three years on THREE'S COMPANY (unheard of at the time for such a brief tenure -- except for Larry Hagman that same year, but that was during 'Who Shot J.R.?', a global phenomenon).

To make it sound like an act of feminism, Somers would gush (for years after) that "I just wanted what the boys were getting!." intentionally misleading fans and the press to think she was just after financial parity with John Ritter. When what she really meant was parity with Carrol O'Connor and Alan Alda who were getting six figures for their iconic sitcoms which had been on for nearly a decade.

As Somers' reputation was damaged, she eventually wrote her memoir detailing the alcoholic family she grew up in, made the talk show circuit, and started fessing up to some of her sins and disingenuous posturing.

Once that was successful in rehabilitating her image, she began drifting back to her original lies to try them out on a new generation to see if they'd stick this time around.

So it's not always about misogyny. Lots of men have been screwed-over to in Hollywood.

Don't feel sorry for Somers. She's a creep. Duffy was married to her, too, on TV, strangely enough.
 

Chris2

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I don’t feel sorry for Somers, and I know about her lies. But I think she deserved a piece of the syndication pie, as did Ritter and DeWitt. TC may have been only on the air for three and a half seasons at that point but syndication sales had already started and it was clear it was going to be huge in the rerun market. And I believe her costars Richard Kline and Don Knotts who said that the producers enjoyed treating her like a bad little girl. And Joyce DeWitt and Priscilla Barnes have both spoken of the sexism of the producers.
 

Snarky Oracle!

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I don’t feel sorry for Somers, and I know about her lies. But I think she deserved a piece of the syndication pie, as did Ritter and DeWitt. TC may have been only on the air for three and a half seasons at that point but syndication sales had already started and it was clear it was going to be huge in the rerun market. And I believe her costars Richard Kline and Don Knotts who said that the producers enjoyed treating her like a bad little girl. And Joyce DeWitt and Priscilla Barnes have both spoken of the sexism of the producers.

Syndication profits for actors for a '70s show that early in its run were unusual.

And while I'm not against VP getting all she can -- or nasty Somers for that matter -- does Linda Gray, wonderful as she is, deserve parity with Larry? Is it misogyny to deny her that?
 
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