Rewatching Dallas with a newbie

CeeCee72

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I mentioned in an earlier post that I am re-watching Dallas from the beginning and am now a few episodes into season 10 (I skipped season 9 Dream Season).


This time though, I am watching with my 21 year old daughter who has never seen Dallas before. My daughter is "special needs" (intellectually disabled) but is extremely bright about things like books, TV, music and entertainment in general. I thought watching with her would give me a fresh perspective. She did not disappoint.


On this forum, we spend so much time talking about this show, which we have all watched over and over, so I thought it might be fun for y'all to see how a newbie reacts to it (especially since so much of what she says reminds me of discussion threads I have seen on this very forum).


Some of her main observations:


Southfork's design is unrealistic. It doesn't look that big from the outside but seems to have dozens of bedrooms. I told her that was a running joke on this forum.


She (strangely) doesn't seem to be all that focused on JR. She seems to just accept the fact he isn't a very good man and goes with the flow of his stories.


She finds Jock to be incredibly off-putting. His biggest sin in her eyes was adding Ray to the trust fund without discussing it with Ellie. She is also infuriated by the way he treats Lucy. It's clear even to her that Jock sees his granddaughter as "less than" simply because she is female.


She doesn't understand Sue Ellen AT ALL. She wants to know why she doesn't just pipe down and accept JR's affairs. She says JR can't change no matter what, but that it's clear he has a lot of affection for his wife. She thinks if Sue Ellen would just shut up and be the trophy wife JR wants her to be, she would be happy. JR would treat her a lot better and she would still be rich and influential - which is what Sue Ellen seemed to care about the most. Daughter says if Sue Ellen could NOT just accept JR for what he is she should just leave him, take half his money, and stay gone.


She likes Pam in the earlier seasons but not so much season 8 onward. She says Pam got all preachy and condescending even though she had her own moral challenges.


She has no use for Bobby whatsoever. She says he's even worse than JR because at least JR has enough self awareness to realize what a jack wagon he is and Bobby is oblivious to all of his many faults.


Her favorite character is Donna. Her second favorite character is Ellie. She says they are the only women on the show who aren't emotional doormats.


Her least favorite character is Cliff. It was Bobby until Cliff stole from his mother. That made Cliff dead to her.


The fashion cracks her up. She said all the women look like hookers and all the men look like used car salesmen.


Her favorite storylines - The fight for Ewing Oil, Ellie's breast cancer, Donna moving into Ewing Oil when Bobby was in the hospital.


Her least favorite storylines - Ray being Jock's son (ewwww he slept with Sue Ellen and GROSS - Lucy!), Pam's nervous breakdown, Lucy's kidnapping and rape by Roger, Peter Richards (Ewwwwww - he looks younger than me!!!!)


She didn't react as badly to the Donna Reed recast as most of us did. She basically shrugged and said maybe she's just trying to be glamorous to impress her new husband.


Her take on some of the cliffhangers:


"I hope Sue Ellen is the one who shot JR and I hope she was stone cold sober when she did it. He deserves it!"


"I hope Cliff DOES die. Everyone would be better off."


"That's either Teresa or Kristin in the pool. No way they killed off Sue Ellen or Pam."


"I hope Sue Ellen pulled the trigger, I hope she meant to shoot JR, and I hope she was stone cold sober when she did it! He deserves it!"
 

One Mighty Hobble

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That was a very interesting read! At least you have a daughter willing to watch. My adult children only make fun of the theme song and whatever storyline briefing I give them when they walk into the room during the show.
 

Luke_Krebbs_Ewing

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Snarky Oracle!

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The younger generation (aside by the all-too-frequent contempt for "old stuff" that the kids often have in any era) have been brought up on shows with no theme songs and a narrative which is very slick, frenetically-paced, and chock full of plot information -- but not a lot of character information (or if there is character information, it's flung at them at an incredible speed).

And certainly quiet moments are virtually unheard of.

I mean, how would they be receptive to even the best eras of DALLAS where news of a shooting is seen being conveyed multiple times between multiple characters (because it underscores and reveals the psychologies of those characters). Today, information is communicated somewhat differently, and the old style probably looks "stupid."

Oh, well. Things move along.

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Angela Channing

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I like your daughter's opinions especially these two:

She didn't react as badly to the Donna Reed recast as most of us did. She basically shrugged and said maybe she's just trying to be glamorous to impress her new husband.

Oh, she says Jenna is a waste of air and is single handedly is killing all enjoyment - not only in the show, but in life.
 

Miss Texas 1967

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Daughter: WHY is Sue Ellen being so nice to JR? He caused this! She should take Ray's gun and shoot the bastard!
She's in for a treat later on :lol:

The younger generation (aside by the all-too-frequent contempt for "old stuff" that the kids often have in any era) have been brought up on shows with no theme songs and a narrative which is very slick, frenetically-paced, and chock full of plot information -- but not a lot of character information (or if there is character information, it's flung at them at an incredible speed).
I'm in my 20s and the only complaint I have about the show is the length of things. I think this about everything however, even shows made in 2022. I tend to speed everything up a bit regardless of intended pacing. I really love the longform format of Dallas and other shows with multiple seasons however, it's always fun to start a watch and know you have months of entertainment ready to binge.
 

Mustard

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My son flat out refused to even discuss it.
Has he watched The Godfather films? Dallas has similar themes, more time in which to tell most of the story, and extra soap opera elements added in.

She's in for a treat later on :lol:


I'm in my 20s and the only complaint I have about the show is the length of things. I think this about everything however, even shows made in 2022. I tend to speed everything up a bit regardless of intended pacing. I really love the longform format of Dallas and other shows with multiple seasons however, it's always fun to start a watch and know you have months of entertainment ready to binge.
That's what was good about most old TV. They actually took their time and told stories and plots properly, not doing things at a thousand miles per hour like they tend to do nowadays. Short attention spans are a curse on modern society.
 
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CeeCee72

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Just watched the end of season ten. Her observations:

No way JR has really changed. Poor Sue Ellen is gonna have to shoot him eventually.

Why can't they just crush that crochety old housewife? How can they let her and her creepy brother destroy every thing?

How stupid is Mandy? She really thinks JR would leave Dallas with her??? He won't even leave his office to come home!

Wait. Pam is dead? I mean, no way she lived through that. How are they gonna have a show without Pam???

I don't like Miss Ellie anymore. The nerve of that woman acting like she's shocked JR is evil.

Donna is coming back, right? Right????
 

Mustard

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Agreed. She just thinks the rich and powerful could have squashed the whole thing.
Who are the rich and powerful in that storyline? On one side was Ewing Oil and the CIA, and on the other side was the Justice Department, West Star Oil and Nancy Scottfield. Only Nancy is not of "rich and powerful" but she had a strong determination.

The storyline shows how two sections of the state can have conflicting interests, i.e. the CIA wanted to bury the whole J.R. Ewing and B.D. Calhoun business, but the Justice Department were very interested indeed in the whole thing being bought to light.
 

Mustard

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Well, they almost did. But Wendell -- more powerful than the Ewings despite their later completely unbelievable imprisoning of Jeremy -- made sure it wasn't squashed.
And as Jeremy Wendell often likes to point out, West Star Oil is one of the top 8 oil corporations in the world. It is more powerful than Ewing Oil, even though Ewing Oil is extremely powerful for an independent Texas oil company, especially when it has those Southeast Asian wells.
 

Snarky Oracle!

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The whole "who-is-the-bigger-bugaboo?" issue gets a little tricky for a fictional show like DALLAS. We're later supposed to believe that the Ewings are terrified in a very bourgeois way of a mobster after his son is killed, but in the real power pecking order, mafia dons would do what powerful oil companies told them to do, not vice versa.

The CIA has been called the mafia for the superrich. So if they wanted the BD Calhoun story buried when the Justice Department (and Weststar) wanted to enflame it, who knows who would be victorious in that powerplay? Which is really the more interesting question, and not one they spent much time on.
 

Mustard

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The whole "who-is-the-bigger-bugaboo?" issue gets a little tricky for a fictional show like DALLAS. We're later supposed to believe that the Ewings are terrified in a very bourgeois way of a mobster after his son is killed, but in the real power pecking order, mafia dons would do what powerful oil companies told them to do, not vice versa.
B.D. Calhoun is not a mafia don, but a mercenary hired to do a job. You don't double cross them. A lot of mercenaries tend to be ex-armed forces people who resent their bosses getting paid so much more money for doing much less work and for doing far less dangerous work. When J.R. pays him $1 million to blow up Saudi oil fields, and B.D. said when the cut off was, the job is on. J.R. not only tried to call it off later, but helped the CIA to double cross B.D. It was complete cluster on the part of J.R. and the CIA agent who muscled in on J.R. with the warnings.

Mercenaries like B.D. Calhoun don't have loyalty to anyone except when they are doing a job that they have been paid to do by someone. If you double cross them, they are coming after you badly. Members of the bourgeois class in the US like J.R. Ewing at that time, who wanted to blow up Saudi oil fields to drive up the market price of oil in the US, were very much in a minority. J.R. was returning to his past form of breaking US federal law, like funding the counter-revolution in Southeast Asia to get back his previously nationalized US oil fields, or shipping oil to Cuba for huge sums of money during the Battle for Ewing Oil.

Dallas had the power dynamics right. I was actually impressed.

The CIA has been called the mafia for the superrich. So if they wanted the BD Calhoun story buried when the Justice Department (and Weststar) wanted to enflame it, who knows who would be victorious in that powerplay? Which is really the more interesting question, and not one they spent much time on.
The CIA would usually succeed in burying all the evidence, but with Jeremy Wendell's powerful clout and Nancy Scottfield's determination, that was overcome. Once the truth had all come out, the CIA would no longer support Ewing Oil anyway.
 
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Snarky Oracle!

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B.D. Calhoun is not a mafia don, but a mercenary hired to do a job. You don't double cross them. A lot of mercenaries tend to be ex-armed forces people who resent their bosses getting paid so much more money for doing much less work and for doing far less dangerous work. When J.R. pays him $1 million to blow up Saudi oil fields, and B.D. said when the cut off was, the job is on. J.R. not only tried to call it off later, but helped the CIA to double cross B.D. It was complete cluster on the part of J.R. and the CIA agent who muscled in on J.R. with the warnings.

Mercenaries like B.D. Calhoun don't have loyalty to anyone except when they are doing a job that they have been paid to do by someone. If you double cross them, they are coming after you badly.


The CIA would usually succeed in burying all the evidence, but with Jeremy Wendell's powerful clout and Nancy Scottfield's determination, that was overcome.

Yes, I wasn't comparing BD Calhoun to a mobster -- I was just pointing out that DALLAS sometimes played to the working class audience's belief systems and not those who are actually in power.

A CIA-hired mercenary like Calhoun, betrayed by JR, would presumably be far more dangerous than some mobster who'd be much more likely to take instructions from a big oil man like JR Ewing -- or from the CIA -- than to give instructions.

In the '70s, when mobsters were being subpoenaed to testify publicly on CIA/mafia assassination plots, many of them were executed before (or shortly after) they'd provided that testimony, and they were in all likelihood, killed by agency assassins (or, if by mafia gunmen, ones who were hired by the agency). And the intel community was doing the bidding of the oil kingpins and their military hardware divisions. "Omerta" would have kept those mobsters silent, or at least testifying benignly, but the agency would never trust that, and so they got popped.

Generally, the CIA and other intelligence agencies would be subservient to one of the world's top oil mem like Jeremy Wendell, just as mobsters would be subservient to both.
 

Mustard

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Yes, I wasn't comparing BD Calhoun to a mobster -- I was just pointing out that DALLAS sometimes played to the working class audience's belief systems and not those who are actually in power.

A CIA-hired mercenary like Calhoun, betrayed by JR, would presumably be far more dangerous than some mobster who'd be much more likely to take instructions from a big oil man like JR Ewing -- or from the CIA -- than to give instructions.

In the '70s, when mobsters were being subpoenaed to testify publicly on CIA/mafia assassination plots, many of them were executed before (or shortly after) they'd provided that testimony, and they were in all likelihood, killed by agency assassins (or, if by mafia gunmen, ones who were hired by the agency). And the intel community was doing the bidding of the oil kingpins and their military hardware divisions. "Omerta" would have kept those mobsters silent, or at least testifying benignly, but the agency would never trust that, and so they got popped.

Generally, the CIA and other intelligence agencies would be subservient to one of the world's top oil mem like Jeremy Wendell, just as mobsters would be subservient to both.
Generally, yes. In the case of the Dallas storyline, the CIA were trying to cover up their own errors as well. B.D. was obviously a mercenary that they were watching and didn't like most of his activities that were presumably going against their intelligence aims. They wanted to scare J.R. before he did any business with B.D., but scared him after the deal had been done instead. After the ugly fallout, the CIA and Ewing Oil just wanted it all buried for good. Even Jeremy Wendell leaning on the CIA alone, while the news was still buried, wouldn't have been enough in itself at that time. Wendell did have clout to open doors though and he needed proof so that the Justice Department gets seriously interested in Ewing Oil breaking US federal law. Once it all comes out, the CIA then has to abandon Ewing Oil and let the Justice Department take over. Ewing Oil was then shut down by the Justice Department.

As I previously mentioned, J.R. played with this sort of fire before with funding the counter-revolution in Southeast Asia and shipping oil to Cuba. His luck eventually ran out.
 
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