So how would YOU have saved Dallas?

ArchieLucasCarringtonEwing1989

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I've always believed this was the natural path Dallas was taking. From the moment "that Barnes woman" arrived at Southfork all hell kicked off. As we progressed from one season to the next we witnessed Pam go from a young spirited woman, dealing with her demons of not having a baby to fending off JR's dirty schemes, to acting as peacemaker between the Ewing and Barnes family. She then began her Oil business career with Cliff. Pam and Bobby divorce with assistance from her demented half-sister Katherine. But after all the wheeling and dealing Pam and Bobby re-discover each other and all looked to be heading to blissful until that woman in a blonde wig ran down our Romeo with a scrambling Juliet crawling towards her lover. We all felt that pain when Pam let rip with that scream that echoed around the world.

I've said it many times. Bobby should have remained dead. If Victoria was already hinting that she was going to leave then the writers should have thrown everything at the wall. Give Dallas 2 more seasons. Ramp up the high drama between Pam protecting Christopher's interest in Ewing Oil and JR scheming to get her out - at any cost. All our beloved characters would still be there. Miss Ellie, desperately trying to keep the piece with support from Clayton. Sue Ellen (in her attempts to protect John Ross' interests), has a heated argument with Pam, then stands side-by-side with her womanizing husband. Ray and Donna (especially Donna) side with Pam. Poor Jenna, caught in the cross-hairs and discovering she is pregnant flees Dallas once again.

When it's revealed Bobby leaves Pam in charge of controlling Christopher's share in Ewing Oil the scene was set. To me everything about Dallas had been leading to this point. J.R. Ewing v's Pam. However you wish to create the drama I wanted fireworks. If the fight for Ewing Oil between JR and Bobby was intense then nothing was going to prepare us for the fights between JR and Pam. It was going to be THE story which would ultimately fracture the Ewing family. From the opening episode we watch Pam and Bobby arriving in Dallas in his red Mercedes convertible. How fitting then would it have been to watch Pam and Christopher leave Dallas in that same car. And end the series....until another day.

Perfect, I always felt the Pam and JR rivalry could've gone either way, them becoming allies against a bigger enemy or Pam and JR really going at it and turning Dallas into a warzone, smashing the Ewings apart virtually, and your right @Rove the first eight seasons were brewing and stirring the Pam vs JR feud into something much bigger, heck if I wouldn't have minded Dallas running to 1991 if we could get five more years of Pam getting stronger!
 

Rove

Telly Talk Warrior
Personally not sure about a further 5 years. I've always had this gut feeling that Dallas' natural end should have occurred 2 seasons after Bobby's death. Dallas could have left a lasting legacy as being one of greatest TV series ever screened but more often than not it has become the butt of jokes. I guess in some part when people reference Dallas they think of two things; Who Shot JR?, and the Dream Season. And would you believe Dallas was referenced again in the last few days when NEWS filtered through that "Roseanne" is being shopped around for a resurrection. Someone said how the hell was this possible when Dan had died and someone said, "Well perhaps it was a dream." I laughed out loud at that one.
 

lbf522

Telly Talk Well-Known Member
i liked the so called dream season. It had some good parts like Ellie caring about JR's feelings which was rare for her, JR and Pamela working together had possibilities, Cliff and Jamie falling in love. Loved Jamie going to JR and asking him not to destroy Cliff and later JR and Cliff ending the Barnes-Ewing feud, and finally, I liked Jack Ewing and the fact that the writers did not make him a carbon copy of Bobby.
 

Tullamore

Telly Talk Active Member
Realistically it was clearly on its last legs though in Barbara Curran's book I believe that the PTB considered going episodic and back to basics,one story in particular had an old college friend of Bobby's who played American Football lose faith after serous injury and visiting Southfork.
 

stevew

Telly Talk Star
I've seen many comments on the forum from people who feel the show should ended here, there or wherever - but given that the show was earning so much money in overseas sales, it continued to it's 14th year.

There are also many comments about too many original cast members going and too many new and unpopular characters coming in.

So, taking all that information into account - and the fact that Victoria could not be persuaded to stay after Season 10 (DVD), how would you have saved the show from going into such a decline?

For me I would have done a few things:

Season 11

1. I would have confirmed Pam's death immediately in episode 1, bringing with it Pam's will giving everything to Christopher.

2. Bobby would have given up on everything and, in a moment of weakness, unbeknown to him signed a power of attorney over to J.R, giving J.R Christopher's power in Wentworth.

3. J.R would then go to battle with Cliff, all the while selling off Wentworth investments to dummy accounts - giving Ewing Oil a huge boost.

The biggest fault of the writers in later years was always letting J.R get beaten, so I would bring him up to the highest he ever got.

4. I would have ended Season 11 with J.R having a successful takeover of Weststar, with the mob finding Nicholas and in a shootout Sue Ellen getting shot and a few other mini cliff hangers.

SEASON 12

Bobby and Cliff would join forces to tackle J.R head on, Sue Ellen would recover, but would would have been diagnosed with an ongoing severe problem with her liver, leading to never again being allowed to touch alcohol...it would kill her!

And so on....

How would you have saved Dallas, given everything that had happened and who had left the show by the end of Season 10?

I would have recognized sooner than season 10 that they were in trouble and as some have noted here go back a bit. But as you have it, I agree. If Pam is not coming back and they did all they had done to mess that story up, I'd resolve it with a funeral. Though I would not have Christopher left with everything. I would have Katherine show up with a pardon from the governor and a copy of her father's will allowing her to fight Christopher, Bobby and Cliff for the entire Wentworth fortune. I'd bring her back, smarter, more capable and ready to destroy the Barnes and the Ewings.

I also agree destroying JR was a bad idea. I would have JR take control of Ewing Oil (share it with Bobby and the boys, maybe shares even to Lucy again so it's a family company but JR is in charge). He'd then take over West Star while Bobby retires to ranching. As Bobby falls apart over something, JR becomes stronger uniting him with Sue Ellen and his son. This time allowing JR to take on Jock's role. I think his character reached the end of his run as a bad guy and he would either straighten up or burned out - they choose the later.

JR would be on top of the world in my story with a Ewing Family Foundation to clean up his image and for Sue Ellen to run. Ewing Oil bigger than ever - still a private company. He'd come up with a plan to get at South Fork oil Miss Ellie could agree with and suggest she put the land in the hands of the foundation to protect it. She'd then give him the house as her oldest son. She'd give the cattle business to the three boys and retire with Clayton in town and with a 2nd house in California to be near Gary as well as travel.

As you note, it was a mistake to destroy him but they couldn't keep up the bad JR so here's a chance for him to fulfill his promise and take care of his brother, be a good husband like his daddy and show his only son the oil business. I like Sue Ellen's health scare you had. It could bring her closer to JR and get her to finally sobbed up all in one.

So establishing all that as a switch up to the show, having it come full circle with JR in Jock's role and Sue Ellen in Miss Ellie's and a teenage John Ross (kids grow up fast on a soap). Chris lives in the house as a little brother type to John Ross, looking up to him. JR even hires Donna to run Ewing Oil as he runs his "Empire" (Ewing Oil, South Fork Farms, JRE Enterprises, media investments, real estate, politics, etc.) from home. Now that's JR on top.

So he's not too good we find out Holly Harwood is raising his secret daughter, Ellie - they're of course not together but Ellie know's him as her dad - sort of like Jock keeping Amanda a secret and the real life R.L. Hunt. JR has also turned Harwood Oil into a public company, HHR (Henry Harwood Resources), with Holly as the largest shareholder for his daughter to inherit.

So the battle and the anti hero: Katherine Wentworth, she's out to destroy the people who wronged her. She has destroyed Cliff, who's again suicidal. Sue Ellen worries about him and even JR helps. He ends up in a mental hospital. With Afton off on tours Pamela moves in with JR and Sue Ellen - making up an unconventional household with 2 parents, 3 teenagers and a recluse uncle.

I'd also want to see more of Lucy. Maybe have her growing into a colorful and eccentric socialite. Maybe a new, very rich, temporary husband.

Katherine, on the board of Wentworth Industries and its largest shareholder, turns her sites on Ewing Oil and JR and the family are in for the battle of their life. She has a lot of good reasons to hate the Ewings and suspicions as to the nefarious death of her mother. She now has powerful allies, the governor and others, and she intends to break the Ewings like she did the Barnes's. Her only weaknesses are that she still loves Bobby and that she is hiding her child, Rebecca, from her father, JR.
 
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Snarky Oracle!

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The women always want DALLAS to conclude in domestic bliss. The men always want DALLAS to conclude with JR meaner and more powerful than ever.

Why do those things not matter to me in a TV show? I don't mind JR burning out to some degree -- the problem was that the show itself was doing the same thing.
 

Lastkidpicked

Telly Talk Dream Maker
I don't mind JR burning out to some degree -- the problem was that the show itself was doing the same thing.
Here's something you might not expect to hear:

To me, the show quietly burning out is actually very poetic. I spend some time in Texas and see this in real life. Families come into power and dominate the news for years. Then one day you think to yourself, "Whatever happened to so-and-so?" And they just quietly burned out.

Kind of like what happened with the show in general. . .
 

stevew

Telly Talk Star
The women always want DALLAS to conclude in domestic bliss. The men always want DALLAS to conclude with JR meaner and more powerful than ever.

Why do those things not matter to me in a TV show? I don't mind JR burning out to some degree -- the problem was that the show itself was doing the same thing.

Good point. I had no problem with JR burning out as it was fitting.

I guess I fall into both. I wanted JR to become Jock - a strong marriage and good father and a powerful MF.
 

Presea

Telly Talk Addict
The women always want DALLAS to conclude in domestic bliss. The men always want DALLAS to conclude with JR meaner and more powerful than ever.

Why do those things not matter to me in a TV show? I don't mind JR burning out to some degree -- the problem was that the show itself was doing the same thing.
I agree. While I do like the idea of JR being a bad ass winner in the end, I would except some burn out for him at the end. Like maybe having him just be satisfied with Ewing Oil and/or look forward to retirement, and not needing to be the best independent oil company. Why couldn't he just leave West Star alone for once? I was getting sick of it.

The romantic in me (yes, it does exist) likes the idea of Bobby and Pam getting back together. But I do understand why it would be hard to happen after Pam just leaving like that without any real explanation. JR and Sue Ellen were beyond hope, with all of the affairs and domestic violence. And it is especially unrealistic to expect a happy remarriage after she shot him. Dallas over glamorized marriage and divorce with a lot of the couples by making so many of them happen. And most of them just ended up divorced or broke up in the end anyway. In reality, people don't usually get divorced so that they can "rediscover" their old love, get remarried, and then get divorced AGAIN. They do it because they don't want to be together again, period.
 

Kenny Coyote

Telly Talk Star
I've seen many comments on the forum from people who feel the show should ended here, there or wherever - but given that the show was earning so much money in overseas sales, it continued to it's 14th year.

There are also many comments about too many original cast members going and too many new and unpopular characters coming in.

So, taking all that information into account - and the fact that Victoria could not be persuaded to stay after Season 10 (DVD), how would you have saved the show from going into such a decline?

For me I would have done a few things:

Season 11

1. I would have confirmed Pam's death immediately in episode 1, bringing with it Pam's will giving everything to Christopher.

2. Bobby would have given up on everything and, in a moment of weakness, unbeknown to him signed a power of attorney over to J.R, giving J.R Christopher's power in Wentworth.

3. J.R would then go to battle with Cliff, all the while selling off Wentworth investments to dummy accounts - giving Ewing Oil a huge boost.

@pete lashmar, I like your ideas for how you would have saved Dallas. They're very good!

Confirming Pam's death would have been the only logical outcome of the type of accident we saw her have. I always thought it was ridiculous that it didn't kill her. I didn't like the direction they took that storyline in with her surviving, and then disappearing. That she'd have had the wherewithal to plan a disappearance like that in her condition at that time is just so unbelievable.

After Pam's death, I can see Bobby being so distraught that he wouldn't have wanted to even bother with Ewing Oil anymore. I can imagine how Pam's death could cause him to tell JR that he should run it, because Bobby doesn't feel capable, or even interested in running Ewing Oil. I know that's a little different than how you explained it, but either way it ends up with the result of JR having sole control over Ewing Oil.

The biggest fault of the writers in later years was always letting J.R get beaten, so I would bring him up to the highest he ever got.

Yes! Nobody wanted to see JR as a loser. JR, the loser, isn't what the show's success was built upon. They didn't stick with what brought them to the dance.

4. I would have ended Season 11 with J.R having a successful takeover of Weststar, with the mob finding Nicholas and in a shootout Sue Ellen getting shot and a few other mini cliff hangers.

That sounds like it would be exciting to watch and gives a powerful, definitive way for Linda Gray to leave Dallas. I really like it.
 
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Snarky Oracle!

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Don't re-cast Miss Ellie.

And no dream resolution to explain Bobby's revival.

Even if they didn't provide an immediate explanation for Pam's death, turn her absence into a character in itself (as they did with Jock and Bobby). Maybe even turn her disappearance into an ongoing mystery playing out in the background for the remainder of the series -- but don't permanently ignore it like they did.

I also want to find out the tanker truck Pam's smashed into was owned by JR doing secret oil business in the badlands in violation of the fed's rules after the BD Calhoun scandal went down. So JR not only has to run around all season trying to keep this info from Bobby, once Bobby finds out and dunks JR in the pool as per usual, he finds himself in the awkward and ironic situation of trying to keep the lid on JR's clandestine dealings to prevent the family business from suffering any more punishment.

I found the range war plot acceptable, but made too little sense. I want Miss Ellie's reluctance to call in the authorities connected to her fears that something buried on that part of Southfork being unearthed (perhaps something Jock had buried and Wes Parmalee mentioned to her as a kind of "threat" before he'd taken off). We don't have to find out why and what it is until later.

Silly as Sue Ellen's movie was, if they'd done it more seriously, and let it have consequences (like, her eventually releasing it??), I'd be okay with it.

Jeremy Wendell's arrest and removal was totally unbelievable. The very idea that the Ewing brothers, weakened as their company now was, could so easily bring down one of the most powerful and machievellian men in the country was ridiculous (and the result of a salary issue between the actor and Lorimar). I'd have JR and Bobby a few months later mutually acknowledge the improbability of the incident, and we can learn Wendell's fooled them for some nefarious reason. (And then pay William Smithers more money to do so).

The tanker oil spill was fine, and placing Cliff in Ewing Oil just long enough to cause a problem was also good. But Lady Jessica's murder spree, and Miss Ellie's turn as detective, were flawed mostly in their execution -- they could have, and should have, worked!

And that's my issue with the closing seasons: it's the execution and the details which created the problems, not necessarily the general plot concepts. A lot of people complain that JR "turned into a wimp" in the final seasons, but that never really bothers me -- I was okay with JR becoming tired and a wee bit philosophical about his life in retrospect; to me, the problem was the show around him becoming too wimpy, too silly, too campy in tone.

Also, increasing Miss Ellie's role (instead of minimizing it, then ousting her entirely) seems a no-brainer since there were so few original cast members left on DALLAS, especially since she's the one who represented "home" the most. (David Jacobs said several years ago when they were talking about doing a DALLAS motion picture that Miss Ellie could have her own talk show -- or something like that... I might have liked to have seen that in the same year of the oil spill and Jessica's murder spree: Miss Ellie does so well in her appearances on Roy Ralston's local chat show that he and the station offer the show to her as he goes national with his own Coast-to-Coast program... JR and the oil cartel initially thinks this is a great idea, as Ellie could then "spin" things in their favor, but they change their minds pretty fast when Miss Ellie starts waxing too liberal, making pro-environmental comments, etc... And JR responds by trying to sabotage his own mother on the air... Just imagine the possibilities).

And James from London once suggested that Miss Ellie on her deathbed (or at least in the hospital seriously ill) confess, perhaps to Clayton?, that JR is in fact Digger Barnes' son -- a revelation a drunken Clayton later shares with JR and the family, creating an obvious furor and making JR as mean as ever. (It could be undone via DNA testing a year later, if we prefer). The irony being that once they learn Pam has died, ideally by neurofibromatosis, JR realizes he's not only not a Ewing but he's half-brother to Pam! (One assumes Rebecca lied, or wasn't sure, about Hutch McKinney being Pam's biological father).

Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera... So many other things.

Also, if Miss Ellie indeed dies before the show ends, a few weeks later have Ray or somebody observe that someone passed on the information that Wes Parmalee had been located and had recently died up in Alaska or Canada someplace, with no one acknowledging the eerie timing.

Also, just as Ewing Oil is about to go under once and for all, Sue Ellen shows up from Europe, flushed with cash from her new career as independent film producer, and saves the Ewings' much-weakened company for the family -- but places Cliff Barnes in the role of CEO. At this point, everyone is impressed and amused ... except of course for JR who is enraged by the move.

I envision, following one final Ewing barbecue, Sue Ellen sitting out front at night at a lone, cup of coffee in front of her. JR wanders up in his post-BBQ robe, uncomfortably tries to make affectionate small talk, asks her if she's coming in, and she looks up at him dismissively, and says, "Maybe". JR turns to walk back to the house, the camera pulls away from the table, freeze frame and fade to black -- a direct replay of their exchange at the end of the first "Barbecue" episode back in 1978, even the same John Parker melody, but with the roles now reversed.

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Also: I'd rather have April turn into Bobby's stalker before getting blown away in Paris, blood bags in tow. I've also always wanted to see Bobby and Afton drift into a relationship (I can just see the potential chemistry, despite their having almost no scenes together) infuriating Cliff. And I'd like many members of the family crashing down into the imploding well at Section 40 after initiating drilling there to save the company after JR's latest schemes put the business once again in jeopardy, the remaining family back at the house pensively, our never learning what became of the victims -- at least until the subsequent reunion movies and sequel series.
 

Toni

Maximum Member
I've seen many comments on the forum from people who feel the show should ended here, there or wherever - but given that the show was earning so much money in overseas sales, it continued to it's 14th year.

There are also many comments about too many original cast members going and too many new and unpopular characters coming in.

So, taking all that information into account - and the fact that Victoria could not be persuaded to stay after Season 10 (DVD), how would you have saved the show from going into such a decline?

For me I would have done a few things:

Season 11

1. I would have confirmed Pam's death immediately in episode 1, bringing with it Pam's will giving everything to Christopher.

2. Bobby would have given up on everything and, in a moment of weakness, unbeknown to him signed a power of attorney over to J.R, giving J.R Christopher's power in Wentworth.

3. J.R would then go to battle with Cliff, all the while selling off Wentworth investments to dummy accounts - giving Ewing Oil a huge boost.

The biggest fault of the writers in later years was always letting J.R get beaten, so I would bring him up to the highest he ever got.

4. I would have ended Season 11 with J.R having a successful takeover of Weststar, with the mob finding Nicholas and in a shootout Sue Ellen getting shot and a few other mini cliff hangers.

SEASON 12

Bobby and Cliff would join forces to tackle J.R head on, Sue Ellen would recover, but would would have been diagnosed with an ongoing severe problem with her liver, leading to never again being allowed to touch alcohol...it would kill her!

And so on....

How would you have saved Dallas, given everything that had happened and who had left the show by the end of Season 10?

:ex: :10::bravo1:
 

Laurie Marr

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The empire had to collapse to fulfil the mythic foreshadowing of the very earliest episodes. They did that so very well in Season 10. The last scene wouldn’t have been Pam in a fireball but Pam and Bobby in the little red merc heading off to an uncertain future.

The more I reflect on the show the more convinced I am that all of the stories worth telling had been told by the spring of 1987.
 
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Rove

Telly Talk Warrior
all of the stories worth telling had been told by the spring of 1987
It's an interesting thought. I'm thinking everyone involved had no concept of what Dallas was to become when it began in 1978. But you are right. By 1987 Dallas was fast approaching it's 10th Anniversary and for a series to sustain it's popularity for that length of time is quite the achievement...despite its own flaws with the Miss Ellie recast and the Dream Season resolution.
 

Jimmy Todd

Telly Talk Mega Star
It's an interesting thought. I'm thinking everyone involved had no concept of what Dallas was to become when it began in 1978. But you are right. By 1987 Dallas was fast approaching it's 10th Anniversary and for a series to sustain it's popularity for that length of time is quite the achievement...despite its own flaws with the Miss Ellie recast and the Dream Season resolution.

These are good points. Dallas had been on for a very long time, relatively speaking, and the magic that resulted from the original cast and the freshness of the family story itself wasn't going to sustain itself forever. I do think Pam's exit was the last episode of the Dallas I knew. There were some good episodes following it, but the magic was gone.
I know some shows decide to go out on a high note and end before they tank in the ratings, such as The Mary Tyler Moore Show, but some will hold out until the bitter end. That fiery crash was, for all intents and purposes, the last episode, imho. Pam's last words to Bobby might as well have been, "The party's over. You and JR turn off the lights on your way out."
 

Taylor Bennett Jr.

Telly Talk Winner
by the time they replaced the iconic triptych intro with that thing where they'd alternate the city footage with shots of the cast on the backbeats, all had already been lost... at that point I would have looped the theme with the alternating shots for the entire hour, with the cast shots progressively telling the episode's story, ala a flip book.

An avant-garde return to the top of the ratings!
 

Rove

Telly Talk Warrior
I know some shows decide to go out on a high note
I wish more would take that advice. I'd rather leave a series feeling the story had reached its organic end and leave the viewer wanting more. I understand why Lorimar, CBS and the actors wished to keep the series running, as Dallas was still making money from overseas sales. But at what cost? I sometimes have mixed feelings towards Dallas. During the first several seasons it was addictive, compelling to watch. It's not that I fell out of love watching my favourite series of all time but my attitude to those responsible behind the scenes changing my behavior in watching Dallas.

As it limped to its inevitable end I could come and go at will.
 

ChrisSumner

Telly Talk Fan
I'm re-watching the series now, currently in the dream season and the big thing I notice is how well they've created the world of Dallas. From the main families, to even the side characters, there is a rich history to the show, but they never did anything with it. I would've taken advantage of the things they developed to build a next generation for those later seasons. A character like Jaime should've remained with Cliff and they should've used her knowledge of oil in the business stories. That would've made more sense than Michelle at Ewing Oil.

When Pamela left they should've put Jenna back with Bobby. They already gave them a child so it makes no sense to put her with Ray who she had no chemistry with. They could've either written Ray off with Donna or put Ray with April. Then when Lucy returned she seemed smarter and sexier, but she fizzled out. She needed a strong love interest who could've worked at Ewing Oil thus keeping her tied into the main storyline. Sue Ellen leaving was justified. She honestly could've left a few years earlier. Donna's exit I also understand due to the budget, but had she remained I would've kept her in the oil business. The only way I'd keep Sue Ellen would be if she and Dusty were an official couple.

Overall I didn't find the later years terrible, but there were so many obvious things they could've done to improve things had they tried. It was clear the main focus was centering the show around JR and Bobby and everyone suffered from that.
 

Swami

Telly Talk Supreme
Victoria was clearly determined to leave the show when she did, so all the more reason to retain every one else, rather than bringing in utterly woeful entries such as the junior McKays, Granny Beaumont and her clan.

The series needed to remain an ensemble piece, rather than focusing just on JR & Bobby in the last few seasons.

Swami
 

Rove

Telly Talk Warrior
there is a rich history to the show, but they never did anything with it
If only those creative types behind TNT Dallas could have read that sentence....but like those responsible for Lorimar Dallas they ignored that history. I have no issue with bringing in new characters but only if they remain secondary to the main players. Dallas was/is always about the Ewing family.
 
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