The Big Valley

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Mansion, bastard son and a beautiful, young Linda Evans.
I'm a sucker fo 60s colours, and the woodwork inside the mansion (including a beautiful staircase) looks as if it's made of milk chocolate.
I know these are western/adventure episodes but I hope to find something soap-y too. It looks great so that's a good start.
 

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R U nu to the BV??

I liked the very early episodes of Season 1 -- Stanwyck is still self-contained and the essence of matriarchal cool, Audra is kind of bitchy initially, and those episodes are well-constructed. Fairly quickly, of course, the show slips into pedestrian formula, Stanwyck slides into flailing camp, Evans soon enters the gorgeous Aphrodite phase in which she'll remain until 1982, with the occasional goodish episode here-and-there throughout the series' four years.

There is a slightly autumnal vibe of decay and loss in the earliest part of the series, and it tells you this show wants to be a classic (seems most Linda Evans series start out that way) even though things get a bit banal and anachronistically "mod" before too long as it begins veering away from strict period accuracy (eg, leather midi-skirts, green eye shadow).

The guys are okay, but I find the damsels-in-distress installments -- with Victoria and/or Audra -- seem to work the best, for some reason. Probably because of the casting.

It's notable that the one thing which made it so hard to for Stanwyck to get her own western when there were a sea of horse operas flooding the tube in the '60s -- that she was a woman who wanted in on the action and not sitting on a porch with a shawl -- is exactly why BIG VALLEY has been so successfully syndicated over the last half century. There's not a town you can drive through across America where BV doesn't air at least once a day.

I sometimes wish the series was a little bit better -- or more consistent -- than it is, but then it's '60s TV.

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I always wanted the Barkley ranch to have a proper name.
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R U nu to the BV??
Yes, it's been on my to-watch list for a very long time now - I even considered buying the complete boxset but it's rather expensive.
Besides Peyton Place, BV is the only 60s show that I have to see, the most obvious reasons being Stanwyck and Evans. But also because I think THE YELLOW ROSE borrowed from BV.
eg, leather midi-skirts, green eye shadow
Oh dear, but I can't say I'm shocked. The 70s and 80s did this too.
"The Last Days Of Pompeii" (Lesley-Anne Down) and its OTT glamorous outfits, jewelry and make-up made it look like a DYNASTY masquerade ball.
Somehow these contemporary elements manage to sneak in.
 

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Westerns weren't something I was drawn to but I caught up with The Big Valley after Lee Majors had hit big on The Six Million Dollar Man and found myself liking it a great deal.
 

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How's the peeping, @Willie Oleson ? How's the BIG VALLEY peeping?
Gosh, I'm such an adulterous tramp, because I've been watching anything BUT The Big Valley.
SENSE8 / DOCTOR FOSTER / TYRANT / + various awful movies / + 10 million YouTube videos.
I really shouldn't have started this thread before I was ready to commit.

Forgive me - better still, don't forgive me, otherwise I'd feel I could get away with anything.

For what it's worth, my re-watch of SISTERS has also been put on hold, but you probably couldn't care less (and rightfully so).
But I will return to the Big Valley, if the uploads are still available. And that's another reason why I should have watched this first, actually.
Imagine what Judith Ryland would say: "Willie Oleson, you are not a smart whore".
 

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Sometimes I think Linda's subconscious radar puts her in (almost) the right place at the right time: an English teacher forces her to join the highschool drama club to combat her shyness, she doesn't go out for any plays, yet when accompanying her girlfriend to an audition for a TV commercial, the producer walks through his outer office and hires her on the spot. Next thing you know, she's flirting with 40-ish John Forsythe in his BACHELOR FATHER sitcom and she's off to an acting career she never wanted yet supported her family.

Then she winds up marrying the man whose photo she had pinned to her bedroom wall.

She also winds up in two iconic series which become metaphors, of sorts, for their respective decades. The effectively forlorn pilot of BIG VALLEY, shot a year after JFK's assassination, seems to have parallels (the philandering father is "killed by the railroad," countless mourners attend his funeral, and there is little anybody can do about the injustice effectuated by a cabal even more powerful than the Barkleys) and if ever there was a decade since the 1930s which could be rightly described as a large valley, it's the 1960s (even though the series takes place in the 1870s). And then there's the effectively forlorn, almost holy pilot of DYNASTY, airing only days before Reagan's inauguration, a presidential reign vain and self-congratulatory which weakens the labor unions, undoes anti-trust laws, and eliminates progressive tax structures which had once contributed to the rise and economic well-being of the American middle class during the mid-twentieth century, ultimately leading to the long, nasty dying of the middle class in the present, with parallels to the series' quickly adopted "rich is good, poor is bad" ethos and its excessive focus on vanity and superficiality. And DYNASTY ends shortly after Reagan leaves the White House.

Some of BIG VALLEY's episodes were pretty good, and I find its eventual shift from lost, funereal melancholy to paranoid, almost grand guignol color noir to be surprisingly acceptable in an inevitable, late-'60s way, although I always wonder if the incessant use of Virgil W. Vogel (Stanwyck called him "the old master" but I found him a flat, by rote director) to guide so many episodes, had a big hand in the series' tendency to simmer in mediocrity; very few of the program's installments I really like are ever helmed by Vogel, and he did 43% of them. (And why wasn't the director of the pilot ever re-used, one wonders?) While the emperor's-new-clothes-in-reverse dynamic of DYNASTY saw the quietly poignant series quickly slide into deleterious camp and scattered, discombobulated scripting made worse by a static acting policy which kept the characters frozen and even more unconvincing than the writing permitted, that made it also feel so very '80s in tone.

Beauty? Actress? Or small-screen zeitgeistic oracle?

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The bitch is back on the ranch.
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THE BROTHERS started with the result of the dead patriarch's infidelity, and now BIG VALLEY does it too. And THE YELLOW ROSE did it too!
Eugene is the Barkley pup with too much energy, but he's going to be massively underused!:mad:

Jeanne Cooper guest stars as aunt Martha, she's a nasty woman.
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I hope there will be lots of interesting supporting characters.
 

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Episode 4 is a romance with a twist! Because the dashing and mysterious stranger who saves Audra's life is in fact an evil gangster.
But why are all the eyes so extremely blue?
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I'm not complaining, the colours are beautiful, and so is Audra. The next episode will feature a young Joan Collins bragging about her palazzo. It must happen, it must.

Jarrod is the charming and reasonable brother, Nick is the short-tempered and theatrical brother (move over, Hamlet), Heath is the shrewd and brooding half-brother who's going to solve all the mysteries and Eugene is...not in this episode. Maybe they're working on a spin-off series for him, that would be nice.

And that gorgeous staircase is begging for its "moment". Come on, Barbara, do it.
 

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I grew up watching Big Valley, Bonanza, and the Wild, Wild West (on cable since I was too young to have watched them when they first aired) and I enjoyed them. As for westerns in general, I did many but at the time it seemed strange that in every western, the main character is always a former Confederate officer and the plot was always from the South's point of view.
 

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I grew up watching Big Valley, Bonanza, and the Wild, Wild West (on cable since I was too young to have watched them when they first aired) and I enjoyed them. As for westerns in general, I did many but at the time it seemed strange that in every western, the main character is always a former Confederate officer and the plot was always from the South's point of view.
At least they haven't made Big Valley and Bonanza into big screen movies.

The Wild Wild West was made into one, and got the thumbs down (even Robert Conrad panned it).
 

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I grew up watching reruns of Bonanza in the 80s and 90s and I really enjoyed it. For some reason when I see it now it doesn’t have the same appeal to me. I never get tired of the theme song though.
 

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While spending time with my grandfather throughout my youth, I naturally watched all the old TV westerns in reruns with him. I don't remember too much about THE BIG VALLEY because it wasn't one of his favorites, and I've never personally been inclined to seek out the show for myself. There's been a few times when I've thought about buying the box set or, at the very least, the first season just to see where my feelings on the show would fall. But I've never got around to actually ordering it, and there's a fair chance that I never will. In trying to get into Barbara Stanwyck more, I've often felt that maybe I "needed" at least the premiere season of this series in my collection, but since my tastes concerning her aren't too vast as of yet, I think I'll just keep pushing it off.​
 

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I liked the one where one of the Barkleys was held hostage.

I do like BV better than Bonanza. I think Victoria, Jarrod, and Audra are particularly appealing characters. Heath is a bit of a stiff (though nice to look at) and a little of Nick goes a long way.

It’s a very beautiful looking series, the colors are vibrant, particularly the blue eyes ;)
 

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At least they haven't made Big Valley and Bonanza into big screen movies.

I think they did indeed do a BV theatrical film about a decade ago, with Susan Sarandon as Victoria Barkley -- but it apparently went straight-to-video (or wherever they go these days after a failed release).
 

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I think they did indeed do a BV theatrical film about a decade ago, with Susan Sarandon as Victoria Barkley -- but it apparently went straight-to-video (or wherever they go these days after a failed release).
Straight to DVD nowadays - namely that happens for Wrong Turn or Lake Placid sequels which are filmed in Romania or Bulgaria pretending to be America with British actors for Americans (like Zosia from Holby City for one). (And people thought Holiday Island was bad.....)
 
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